Nationalize the OK Guard.

Problem solved.

"It doesn't say if you are gay you cant join the military, if you are gay you cant be in the military, what it says is don't go out there and promote it," Reynolds said.

No, it says that if anyone suspects that you're gay, they investigate you. If they find out you ARE gay, you're booted out. There's a big difference between "being suspected of being gay" and "promoting being gay".

Why do I get the feeling that Reynolds is going to get caught soliciting gay sex some time soon?

"It doesn't say if you are gaystraight you cant join the military, if you are gaystraight you cant be in the military, what it says is don't go out there and promote it."

I bet the above policy would go over like gangbusters!

Ah yes, more testimony that Republicans are wonderful caring people and that both parties are exactly the same, so you should vote for them.

We need more of this.

"The main thing it will do is greatly encourage the morale of troops," Reynolds said. "They have certainly contacted me and said 'Hey we need this policy back.'"

Sorry, your phrasing indicates a lie. "They have certainly contacted me..." Why would you need to imply certitude to a phrase as you are stating it unless you believe people will disbelieve you?

President Barack Obama chose to reverse the policy

President Barack Obama chose to sign a repeal created by the House and Senate. Yes, he campaigned on repeal and did push for this, but I tire of people misrepresenting the actual powers of the presidency, in particular people in government. President Obama can do little directly.

Quasar: LincolnLogolas: No, it says that if anyone suspects that you're gay, they investigate you. If they find out you ARE gay, you're booted out. There's a big difference between "being suspected of being gay" and "promoting being gay".

I was having a discussion a year or two back with a friend of the friend who is a Marine. He was complaining about the DADT repeal talk and that gays can serve, they just shouldn't wave their homosexuality around and make everyone uncomfortable. I posited the following hypotheticals:

Soldier A, talking to his fellow troops: "I can't wait to get back home and see my girlfriend."
Soldier B, talking to his fellow troops: "I can't wait to get back home and see my boyfriend."

According to that friend of a friend, A is normal and B is promoting the homosexual agenda.

Don't you see? Since gays are inferior human beings, by campaigning for equal rights they are actuall asking for special rights

The GOPers are just pissed that they can't fantasize about their favorite butch soldier ass raping them. It takes all the fun out of it if they know who is and who isn't gay.

Sorry Oakie, but Federal Law trumps State Law so you're guardsman are going to have to suck it up and bunker with the Queens.

I don't understand the need to reinstate the ban. Operations are still running the same. If you ask most Soldiers about it, we are going to shrug our shoulders and say meh.

I understand the need for it when it was passed, to protect people, but it has come to the point where it needs to not be a law anymore

I dont care if you are queer as long as you can shoot straight.

lohphat: Small minded bigots will just find something else to be afraid of and pay off legislators to enshrine their intolerance into law.

Atheists?

Don't think the OK National Guard can even implement this, legally. Since they're bound by the UCMJ, and their hardware comes from the federal level, they are beholden to federal policy.

countdown until Rep. Mike Reynolds is caught in a 'wide stance' related incident in 3...2...1...

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Should anyone even bother to tell them that any such rule would be struck down immediately now that DADT has been repealed federally?

Or, should we just let them wallow in their own derp for a while in the futile hope that they'll get it out of their systems?

Why would it? The federal government doesn't control state national guards.

CPennypacker: Quasar: LincolnLogolas: No, it says that if anyone suspects that you're gay, they investigate you. If they find out you ARE gay, you're booted out. There's a big difference between "being suspected of being gay" and "promoting being gay".

I was having a discussion a year or two back with a friend of the friend who is a Marine. He was complaining about the DADT repeal talk and that gays can serve, they just shouldn't wave their homosexuality around and make everyone uncomfortable. I posited the following hypotheticals:

Soldier A, talking to his fellow troops: "I can't wait to get back home and see my girlfriend."
Soldier B, talking to his fellow troops: "I can't wait to get back home and see my boyfriend."

According to that friend of a friend, A is normal and B is promoting the homosexual agenda.

Don't you see? Since gays are inferior human beings, by campaigning for equal rights they are actuall asking for special rights

Somehow I read that in Michele Bachmann's voice; now I have the overwhelming urge to punch a kitten.

Um... I don't think the states can legislate that kind of thing since the various elements of the National Guard all fall under the auspices if the DoD.

Will be amusing to see the lil hate-monger try.

GameSprocket: The GOPers are just pissed that they can't fantasize about their favorite butch soldier ass raping them. It takes all the fun out of it if they know who is and who isn't gay.

I'm not sayin' that anything's goin' on in the new milit'ry, but you just look at how they now changed that federal thing that says that men can actually be raped and there's somethin' goin' on.

/you can't explain that.

DROxINxTHExWIND: "The main thing it will do is greatly encourage the morale of troops," Reynolds said. "They have certainly contacted me and said 'Hey we need this policy back.'"

Who, you lying mutherfarker. Which troops contacted you specifically to let you know that moral is low because someone in their unit is gay and they don't have to lie about it? Who in the OK National Guard even knows that you represent them or how to contact you?



"It doesn't say if you are gay you cant join the military, if you are gay you cant be in the military, what it says is don't go out there and promote it," Reynolds said.

This is the new "issue".

Formula for bigotry: Its not that I hate you for being [X]. Its just that I hate the way you...

Its not that I hate you for being [gay]. I just hate the way you [flaunt it].
Its not that I hate you for being [black]. I just hate your [baggy jeans].
Its not that I hate you for being [Mexican]. Its just I hate that you don't [speak perfect English].

Etc.

It's not that I hate you for being [a woman who wants to work outside the home]. I just [MAKE ME A GD SANDWICH].

Bigotry in the GOP? Unpossible!

Oklahoma: Compensating for the fact that their state is best known as the title of a musical.

DADT was an incredibly important stepping stone towards equal rights for LGB troops, but that is all it was. Having served over almost the entirety of the policy, I have seen the attitude transformation that has occured over the past 15 years. It wasn't just a new generation joining the military. I have seen senior NCOs and officers realize how bigotted they once were and feel shamed by it. I saw the attitude towards those discharged via DADT move from "serves them right" to "they should have kept it quieter" to pity to righteous anger.

DADT could have been repealed 5 years ago, albeit with much more pushback from the public and a little more pushback from the troops. DADT probably could have lasted another 5 years before the troops started get incredibly vocal about the need for repeal.

DADT wasn't evil. It was important. And it is over. About time.

LectertheChef: Don't think the OK National Guard can even implement this, legally. Since they're bound by the UCMJ, and their hardware comes from the federal level, they are beholden to federal policy.

I dunno about this. They are technically a state militia. Granted, the line is fuzzy as hell these days, but OK may be able to do this while the individuals are on Title 32 state duty status. If that's the case, the minute a unit is activated and enters Title 10 Active Duty, those go out the window. Of course, that doesn't really mean crap at that point, only that individuals in the closet can come out of the closet without fear while they are on Title 10 status. If that's the case, the minute they're back on Title 32 status, they have the potential of being up shiat creek.

/Not a JAG
//don't play one on TV
///Didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
////uses way too many slashies

somedude210: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nationalize the OK Guard.

Problem solved.

was that the threat Truman made when he desegregated?

Eisenhower in Little Rock, I believe.

There are only a couple of people, 10 max, that are affected by this, what's the big deal?

Quasar: LincolnLogolas: No, it says that if anyone suspects that you're gay, they investigate you. If they find out you ARE gay, you're booted out. There's a big difference between "being suspected of being gay" and "promoting being gay".

I was having a discussion a year or two back with a friend of the friend who is a Marine. He was complaining about the DADT repeal talk and that gays can serve, they just shouldn't wave their homosexuality around and make everyone uncomfortable. I posited the following hypotheticals:

Soldier A, talking to his fellow troops: "I can't wait to get back home and see my girlfriend."
Soldier B, talking to his fellow troops: "I can't wait to get back home and see my boyfriend."

According to that friend of a friend, A is normal and B is promoting the homosexual agenda.

B is promoting the homosexual agenda. If B had not been promoting the homosexual agenda, it would have gone:

"I can't wait to get back home and see my rugby team."

"It was a policy that was in place for 16 years and nobody except a couple of radical activists found any harm in the policy and as a pay off for those radical activist for helping him become elected, President Barack Obama chose to reverse the policy," he continued

This man should be deported to the planet Neptune.

I'm an Egyptian!: LectertheChef: Don't think the OK National Guard can even implement this, legally. Since they're bound by the UCMJ, and their hardware comes from the federal level, they are beholden to federal policy.

I dunno about this. They are technically a state militia. Granted, the line is fuzzy as hell these days, but OK may be able to do this while the individuals are on Title 32 state duty status. If that's the case, the minute a unit is activated and enters Title 10 Active Duty, those go out the window. Of course, that doesn't really mean crap at that point, only that individuals in the closet can come out of the closet without fear while they are on Title 10 status. If that's the case, the minute they're back on Title 32 status, they have the potential of being up shiat creek.

/Not a JAG
//don't play one on TV
///Didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
////uses way too many slashies

What I don't get is when you separate from the guard you get a DD-214 with a re-enlistment code just like active duty, right? If they bring back whatever reenlistment code they used to dismiss gay people and no other state is honoring this code, couldn't you theoretically move to Texas [lord help you] and reenlist? Could they stop you from getting VA benefits?

/Sorry, if they covered it in the article; I think my work computer hates this site.
//I call bshiat

I feel the ironies of all ironies to happen.

If the federal government does say they can't do this the Oklahoma GOP says they will be able to do because the 2nd amendment allows states to define their own militias.

This will be the irony of all ironies from the GOP after completely redefining the original intent of the 2nd amendment by morphing it into an individual right and then when it's convenient for them going back to the interpretation that they have been pretending was never there.

Quasar: Soldier A, talking to his fellow troops: "I can't wait to get back home and see my girlfriend."
Soldier B, talking to his fellow troops: "I can't wait to get back home and see my boyfriend."

According to that friend of a friend, A is normal and B is promoting the homosexual agenda.

Maybe your "friend of a friend" should just STFU. Just a thought.

Jingo Ate Your Baby: It's not that I hate you for being [a woman who wants to work outside the home]. I just [MAKE ME A GD SANDWICH].

I brought to lunch one of these nukable dinner things and it's really not working for me. I'm jonesin for a good sammich right now.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOKALAHOMA where the derp comes sweepin' down the plain.

GWLush: I think our kids and their kids are going to look back on this like kids of my generation do with the civl rights issues of the 60's. It is going to be a lot of "What the fark was wrong with those people".

I can't wait until the large number of bigots die off.

I think you will be waiting for a long time. I know a lot of people in their 20s and 30s who think exactly this same way. They're from all over, and their comments are pretty hyperbolic when it comes to non-heterosexual tendencies.

Personally, I don't care about a person's sexual preference. If you're not my preference, then I'll tell you about it. If I'm not your preference, then I expect the same. If you insist after I say I'm not interested, then you're being obnoxious. If I insist after you've stated you're not interested, then I'm being obnoxious.

How difficult is that?

/ wouldn't it be boring if people were all the same?

I hope Matlovich's ghost comes back and upper decks every one of this asshole's toilets.

Farking homophobes. Go be a gay bully somewhere else.

GhostFish: "It was a policy that was in place for 16 years and nobody except a couple of radical activists found any harm in the policy and as a pay off for those radical activist for helping him become elected, President Barack Obama chose to reverse the policy," he continued

This man should be deported to the planet Neptune.

So... it's only a few radicals... but they also pull enough influence on Obama that he changed a controversial national social code? That makes sense.