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2012-01-12 06:15:28 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: That clearly is the intent of this.
A position is available (note that the wording says that the vacancy happens during the recess - although people later argued that doesn matter)
The Senate is on recess.
The President needs the position filled, pronto!
The Senate comes back into session and determines if that recess appointment should stand.

Otherwise it is a stupid system that says that whenever the Senate is in recess, the Pres can appoint whoever he wants.


Given the framers' concerns about government being able to conduct itself, it makes sense that it could fill both purposes. Had it been intended to fulfill only the purpose you suggest, vacancies would only be filled until the Senate could reconvene and fulfill its advice and consent function. Instead, they said recess appointments last until the next session ends. Clearly, the authors of this provision were aware of its capacity to bypass the Senate advice and consent function.
 
2012-01-12 06:16:35 PM  

kingoomieiii: eraser8: But, just for fun: please try to justify your "racist" claim. Try as hard as you can.

Googling for fun, your posts in this thread tell me that you are not a racist. Racists don't defend MLK, or request evidence of baseless criticism leveled at him. Ever.


To be fair the tea party was called racist for defending Cain.
 
2012-01-12 06:17:01 PM  

Saiga410: Recess appointments were put there so that the president can fill in positions that occur when there is no congress available to give advise and consent


Is Congress available for advise and consent now? Why or why not?
 
2012-01-12 06:18:04 PM  

mrshowrules: DoJ's "Fast and Furious" finding:

In our judgment, the text of the Constitution and precedent and practice thereunder support the conclusion that the convening of periodic pro forma sessions in which no business is to be conducted does not have the legal effect of interrupting an intrasession recess otherwise long enough to qualify as a "Recess of the Senate" under the Recess Appointments Clause. In this context, the President therefore has discretion to conclude that the Senate is unavailable to perform its advise-and-consent function and to exercise his power to make recess appointments.


Did anyone really expect Eric Holder to say that Obama broke the law??? Really?

Let's see what the courts think about the action, should it even go there, because we all know that the courts always march in lockstep with what the DoJ advocates...
 
2012-01-12 06:19:27 PM  

Seabon: If it is illegal as you say, then let the courts decide.


bugontherug: Given the framers' concerns about government being able to conduct itself,


Why are you encouraging that jackass?

He writes a bunch of stupid shiat, gets called on it and promptly disappears. Then, he reappears hours later without answering any of the questions that forced him out of the thread in the first place.

Don't let him insinuate himself back into the conversation. If he wants attention, then let him answer the questions that earlier Farkers have posed!
 
2012-01-12 06:20:08 PM  

MyRandomName: kingoomieiii: eraser8: But, just for fun: please try to justify your "racist" claim. Try as hard as you can.

Googling for fun, your posts in this thread tell me that you are not a racist. Racists don't defend MLK, or request evidence of baseless criticism leveled at him. Ever.

To be fair the tea party was called racist for defending Cain.


Wait...are you claiming that Cain is essentially the same as MLK?
 
2012-01-12 06:24:59 PM  

bugontherug: Weaver95: meh. not that it matters to the GOP. look - I don't know if what Obama did was legal or not.

Use the power of your own judgment. The Constitution specifically authorizes presidential recess appointments. What do you suppose is the underlying policy purpose of that clause? It's very plausible, even likely, that it exists to counter the ability of a slow or hostile Congress to hold up the business of the executive branch through delay or deliberate inaction. It's hard to imagine what other purpose such a clause could serve.

In light of that, the question is:

1) Should one House of Congress (we're not even talking both Houses) be able to restrict the president's ability to do what the Constitution authorizes him to do by merely meeting pro forma, conducting no Congressional business?

A related question is:

2) Would it be a different case if the House were actually conducting real business that just took more time than the regular session allowed?


I really try to avoid assuming what the founding fathers were thinking or intended. But I have to wonder if the whole recess appointment thing was a seed Ben planted in TJ's head. Just WAG based on reading his autobiography.
 
2012-01-12 06:27:29 PM  
legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?
 
2012-01-12 06:29:28 PM  

bugontherug: Weaver95: Obama found a way around a dickhole move by his political opponents who - to be fair - were borderline illegal in THEIR actions as well.

Just for clarity, this isn't some obscure loophole Obama's team of lawyers found. This is a specific Constitutional authorization:

"The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

Based on that language, and its emphasis on the Senate, it's not even clear why whether or not the House recesses should matter at all.




Did the vacancy happen during the Senate Recess? Was the office filled and then the person died or quit while the Senate was out of town? That's what the constitution is talking about. So pretty much all recess appointments, as they have been commonly done, are illegal.
 
2012-01-12 06:34:18 PM  

skullkrusher: legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?


not really, no.
 
2012-01-12 06:37:06 PM  
The DOJ ruled it constitutional? You mean the department that said it would not prosecute black people, "Holder's" people??? Obama will be impeached before the election and good riddance to him.
 
2012-01-12 06:37:51 PM  

tony41454: You mean the department that said it would not prosecute black people, "Holder's" people?


[citation needed]
 
2012-01-12 06:39:17 PM  

skullkrusher: legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?


You do understand how the three branches work, right? And how the Judicial is not the Executive?

So basically, there are two branches of Government saying it was legal, and one fourth of the remain branch saying it was "illegal". The Repubs know they've already lost this one, they just can't bring themselves to just up and take it like men. And both know they like taking it like men. ;)
 
2012-01-12 06:39:53 PM  

DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?

not really, no.


it's the DOJ's job to defend the White House in cases brought against it, no?
 
2012-01-12 06:40:09 PM  

jigger: bugontherug: Weaver95: Obama found a way around a dickhole move by his political opponents who - to be fair - were borderline illegal in THEIR actions as well.

Just for clarity, this isn't some obscure loophole Obama's team of lawyers found. This is a specific Constitutional authorization:

"The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

Based on that language, and its emphasis on the Senate, it's not even clear why whether or not the House recesses should matter at all.



Did the vacancy happen during the Senate Recess?


Yes.

Was the office filled and then the person died or quit while the Senate was out of town? That's what the constitution is talking about. So pretty much all recess appointments, as they have been commonly done, are illegal.

The language is ambiguous. You emphasize one reading of "happens during the Senate recess." I'm more focused on why, if your reading is correct, the appointment would last until the Senate's next session ends. It would make more sense for it to last until when either the Senate reconvenes, or at whatever point during that session it gets around to advising and consenting.
 
2012-01-12 06:40:23 PM  

tony41454: The DOJ ruled it constitutional? You mean the department that said it would not prosecute black people, "Holder's" people??? Obama will be impeached before the election and good riddance to him.


Hork hork hork.

I love the way idiots like you throw around words like "impeach" without having even one tenth of a clue what they mean.
 
2012-01-12 06:41:34 PM  

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?

not really, no.

it's the DOJ's job to defend the White House in cases brought against it, no?


I didn't realize there was a case pending on this issue.
 
2012-01-12 06:42:01 PM  

Mavent: skullkrusher: legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?

You do understand how the three branches work, right? And how the Judicial is not the Executive?

So basically, there are two branches of Government saying it was legal, and one fourth of the remain branch saying it was "illegal". The Repubs know they've already lost this one, they just can't bring themselves to just up and take it like men. And both know they like taking it like men. ;)


I'll give you some time to think about why this was stupid.
 
2012-01-12 06:42:37 PM  

DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?

not really, no.

it's the DOJ's job to defend the White House in cases brought against it, no?

I didn't realize there was a case pending on this issue.


there's not. But if there were a case brought, who would be arguing on the White House's behalf?
 
2012-01-12 06:42:57 PM  
I'm gonna give the SCOTUS judges some props for purposely not defining a minimum time for a recess. You know someone will weasel as much as they can out of any definition, solid or not.
 
2012-01-12 06:43:10 PM  

skullkrusher: it's the DOJ's job to defend the White House in cases brought against it, no?


Actually, no.

The DOJ's job is to defend US law.

There is a government office whose job is to defend the White House. It's called the Office of the White House Counsel.
 
2012-01-12 06:44:12 PM  

Mavent: tony41454: The DOJ ruled it constitutional? You mean the department that said it would not prosecute black people, "Holder's" people??? Obama will be impeached before the election and good riddance to him.

Hork hork hork.

I love the way idiots like you throw around words like "impeach" without having even one tenth of a clue what they mean.


I prefer it when people try to get snarky and school someone on the branches of government while being completely ignorant of the fact that the DoJ is part of the Executive Branch... that's just me though. ;)
 
2012-01-12 06:44:52 PM  

bugontherug: Weaver95: Obama found a way around a dickhole move by his political opponents who - to be fair - were borderline illegal in THEIR actions as well.

Just for clarity, this isn't some obscure loophole Obama's team of lawyers found. This is a specific Constitutional authorization:

"The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

Based on that language, and its emphasis on the Senate, it's not even clear why whether or not the House recesses should matter at all.


The constitution also states when the house and senate can declare recess. Funny how liberals ignore that.
 
2012-01-12 06:45:25 PM  

MyRandomName: To be fair the tea party was called racist for defending Cain.


That's like claiming that the rest of us think you're stupid because you forgot the comma between "fair" and "the".
 
2012-01-12 06:45:56 PM  

tony41454: The DOJ ruled it constitutional? You mean the department that said it would not prosecute black people, "Holder's" people??? Obama will be impeached before the election and good riddance to him.


And you sir are an ignorant fool if you think that's true.
 
2012-01-12 06:45:58 PM  

leviosaurus: Are you suggesting that Obama made his appointment knowing that it was already legal? C'mon, it's not like the guy is an ivy league constitutional law professor!

/oh wait...


Constitutional Law "Senior Lecturer" (his title, he was never a professor, and Chicago is not an Ivy League school) said that it wasn't right when he was a Senator and voted on it with Harry Reid.
 
2012-01-12 06:47:02 PM  

eraser8: skullkrusher: it's the DOJ's job to defend the White House in cases brought against it, no?

Actually, no.

The DOJ's job is to defend US law.

There is a government office whose job is to defend the White House. It's called the Office of the White House Counsel.


actually yeah, that is my confusion. DOJ represents the US in cases brought against it. Remembering the Bush years and thinking it was the WH
 
2012-01-12 06:48:47 PM  

Weaver95: MyRandomName: I was unaware the doj has the same effect as a supreme court decision.

that's pre-9/11 thinking. you can thank Bush for changing things.


Which decision did bush follow on the basis against constitutional precedent? He went to congress about the Iraq war. He stopped recess appointments after Reid held pro forma sessions. If you bring up torture there has always been a question as to the line of when torture starts. But that isn't mentioned in the constitution. The only vague avenue I think you have is indefinite detentions which he got around by using foreign soil. I can see more usurpation from Obama on precedent than from bush.
 
2012-01-12 06:48:56 PM  

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?

not really, no.

it's the DOJ's job to defend the White House in cases brought against it, no?

I didn't realize there was a case pending on this issue.

there's not. But if there were a case brought, who would be arguing on the White House's behalf?


The DOJ represents the US, not the president, and although the AG advises the president on legal matter, as far as I know, no one in the DOJ represents the president in the manner of a defense lawyer.
 
2012-01-12 06:49:43 PM  

DarwiOdrade: The DOJ represents the US, not the president, and although the AG advises the president on legal matter, as far as I know, no one in the DOJ represents the president in the manner of a defense lawyer.


yeah eraser8 is right that's the Office of White House Consel
 
2012-01-12 06:50:35 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: leviosaurus: Are you suggesting that Obama made his appointment knowing that it was already legal? C'mon, it's not like the guy is an ivy league constitutional law professor!

/oh wait...

Constitutional Law "Senior Lecturer" (his title, he was never a professor, and Chicago is not an Ivy League school) said that it wasn't right when he was a Senator and voted on it with Harry Reid.


ZOMG!! POLITICIANS ARE TAKING DIFFERENT POSITIONS BASED ON POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE!! OH NOES!!

WE SHOULD ELECT MORE REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER DO THAT.
 
2012-01-12 06:50:46 PM  

MyRandomName: bugontherug: Weaver95: Obama found a way around a dickhole move by his political opponents who - to be fair - were borderline illegal in THEIR actions as well.

Just for clarity, this isn't some obscure loophole Obama's team of lawyers found. This is a specific Constitutional authorization:

"The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

Based on that language, and its emphasis on the Senate, it's not even clear why whether or not the House recesses should matter at all.

The constitution also states when the house and senate can declare recess. Funny how liberals ignore that.


They also forget that Reid did this strategy of the pro forma sessions ito keep Bush from doing recess appointments...and Obama agreed with it.

Bush at least respected the law and the constitution enough to not do what 0bama did.
 
2012-01-12 06:52:12 PM  

bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: leviosaurus: Are you suggesting that Obama made his appointment knowing that it was already legal? C'mon, it's not like the guy is an ivy league constitutional law professor!

/oh wait...

Constitutional Law "Senior Lecturer" (his title, he was never a professor, and Chicago is not an Ivy League school) said that it wasn't right when he was a Senator and voted on it with Harry Reid.

ZOMG!! POLITICIANS ARE TAKING DIFFERENT POSITIONS BASED ON POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE!! OH NOES!!

WE SHOULD ELECT MORE REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER DO THAT.


Bush respected the law and the constitution.
Obama, not so much.
So yeah, elect more republicans.
 
2012-01-12 06:52:23 PM  

tony41454: The DOJ ruled it constitutional? You mean the department that said it would not prosecute black people, "Holder's" people??? Obama will be impeached before the election and good riddance to him.


www.edwud.com
 
2012-01-12 06:52:41 PM  

skullkrusher: eraser8: skullkrusher: it's the DOJ's job to defend the White House in cases brought against it, no?

Actually, no.

The DOJ's job is to defend US law.

There is a government office whose job is to defend the White House. It's called the Office of the White House Counsel.

actually yeah, that is my confusion. DOJ represents the US in cases brought against it. Remembering the Bush years and thinking it was the WH


Your confusion is understandable. We have had a few decades of people conflating the opposition of US law with the opposition of the President, as if the President is some sort of King from which all of the US laws flow from. Also doesn't help that for several decades now the Executive branch has been somehow gaining more and more power.
 
2012-01-12 06:54:22 PM  

MyRandomName: bugontherug: Weaver95: Obama found a way around a dickhole move by his political opponents who - to be fair - were borderline illegal in THEIR actions as well.

Just for clarity, this isn't some obscure loophole Obama's team of lawyers found. This is a specific Constitutional authorization:

"The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

Based on that language, and its emphasis on the Senate, it's not even clear why whether or not the House recesses should matter at all.

The constitution also states when the house and senate can declare recess. Funny how liberals ignore that.


Congress is not really in session. Congress has de facto declared recess by ceasing business.
 
2012-01-12 06:56:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: leviosaurus: Are you suggesting that Obama made his appointment knowing that it was already legal? C'mon, it's not like the guy is an ivy league constitutional law professor!

/oh wait...

Constitutional Law "Senior Lecturer" (his title, he was never a professor, and Chicago is not an Ivy League school) said that it wasn't right when he was a Senator and voted on it with Harry Reid.

ZOMG!! POLITICIANS ARE TAKING DIFFERENT POSITIONS BASED ON POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE!! OH NOES!!

WE SHOULD ELECT MORE REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER DO THAT.

Bush respected the law and the constitution.


You know how I can tell you're trolling?
 
2012-01-12 06:58:03 PM  

bugontherug: MyRandomName: bugontherug: Weaver95: Obama found a way around a dickhole move by his political opponents who - to be fair - were borderline illegal in THEIR actions as well.

Just for clarity, this isn't some obscure loophole Obama's team of lawyers found. This is a specific Constitutional authorization:

"The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

Based on that language, and its emphasis on the Senate, it's not even clear why whether or not the House recesses should matter at all.

The constitution also states when the house and senate can declare recess. Funny how liberals ignore that.

Congress is not really in session. Congress has de facto declared recess by ceasing business.


You could make the same argument for any day in which the congress doesn't get anything done.
Unfortunately, the law and the rules disagree with you.

It isn't as if Reid had 30 second sessions to keep Bush from nominating anyone, right? And that 0bama didn't agree with this, right??
 
2012-01-12 07:00:39 PM  

bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: leviosaurus: Are you suggesting that Obama made his appointment knowing that it was already legal? C'mon, it's not like the guy is an ivy league constitutional law professor!

/oh wait...

Constitutional Law "Senior Lecturer" (his title, he was never a professor, and Chicago is not an Ivy League school) said that it wasn't right when he was a Senator and voted on it with Harry Reid.

ZOMG!! POLITICIANS ARE TAKING DIFFERENT POSITIONS BASED ON POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE!! OH NOES!!

WE SHOULD ELECT MORE REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER DO THAT.

Bush respected the law and the constitution.


You know how I can tell you're trolling?


How? Are you saying that when Reid had these 30 second sessions to stop Bush's ability to do recess appointments, that Bush broke the law and went against the constitution (like the current President did?)
 
2012-01-12 07:01:44 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: leviosaurus: Are you suggesting that Obama made his appointment knowing that it was already legal? C'mon, it's not like the guy is an ivy league constitutional law professor!

/oh wait...

Constitutional Law "Senior Lecturer" (his title, he was never a professor, and Chicago is not an Ivy League school) said that it wasn't right when he was a Senator and voted on it with Harry Reid.

ZOMG!! POLITICIANS ARE TAKING DIFFERENT POSITIONS BASED ON POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE!! OH NOES!!

WE SHOULD ELECT MORE REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER DO THAT.

Bush respected the law and the constitution.


You know how I can tell you're trolling?

How? Are you saying that when Reid had these 30 second sessions to stop Bush's ability to do recess appointments, that Bush broke the law and went against the constitution (like the current President did?)


You're an idiot.
 
2012-01-12 07:02:37 PM  

bugontherug: The language is ambiguous. You emphasize one reading of "happens during the Senate recess." I'm more focused on why, if your reading is correct, the appointment would last until the Senate's next session ends. It would make more sense for it to last until when either the Senate reconvenes, or at whatever point during that session it gets around to advising and consenting.


No, the vacancy "may happen" whenever there is a person in an office and then that person leaves the office. That's the moment the vacancy happens. "May happen" is even farther into the singular occurrence category that just "happen."

Is it Thursday?
Thursday may happen as we speak.

How would you interpret that? Just about anyone would interpret that as Thursday may come soon, not that the day is Thursday already.

As far as the commissions ending when the Senate session ends instead of when it begins, think about it logistically. It would be a pretty short appointment.

If it was meant to be an end-run around the Senate, then why don't presidents just wait for the Senate to be in recess and then appoint all officers?
 
2012-01-12 07:03:01 PM  
The DOJ ruled it funkstitutional? You mean the department that said it would not prosecute Parliament people, "Bootsy's" people??? George Clinton will give up the funk before the election and good riddance to him.
 
2012-01-12 07:03:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: You could make the same argument for any day in which the congress doesn't get anything done.


Nope. Genuinely conducting business but not passing any bills is different than holding pro forma sessions and not conducting business. A Congress that assembles, holds debate, and votes on legislation is clearly not in "recess," whether or not they get anything done.


Unfortunately, the law and the rules disagree with you.


Unfortunately, that's what's at issue, your bare assertion notwithstanding.
 
2012-01-12 07:04:26 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: The DOJ ruled it funkstitutional? You mean the department that said it would not prosecute Parliament people, "Bootsy's" people??? George Clinton will give up the funk before the election and good riddance to him.


George Clinton will NEVER give up the funk!
 
2012-01-12 07:05:50 PM  

eraser8: tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: leviosaurus: Are you suggesting that Obama made his appointment knowing that it was already legal? C'mon, it's not like the guy is an ivy league constitutional law professor!

/oh wait...

Constitutional Law "Senior Lecturer" (his title, he was never a professor, and Chicago is not an Ivy League school) said that it wasn't right when he was a Senator and voted on it with Harry Reid.

ZOMG!! POLITICIANS ARE TAKING DIFFERENT POSITIONS BASED ON POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE!! OH NOES!!

WE SHOULD ELECT MORE REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER DO THAT.

Bush respected the law and the constitution.


You know how I can tell you're trolling?

How? Are you saying that when Reid had these 30 second sessions to stop Bush's ability to do recess appointments, that Bush broke the law and went against the constitution (like the current President did?)

You're an idiot.


I don't care what racists think.

At least Bush didn't go against the Reid-maneuver, the way 0bama did.
 
2012-01-12 07:07:36 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: eraser8: tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: leviosaurus: Are you suggesting that Obama made his appointment knowing that it was already legal? C'mon, it's not like the guy is an ivy league constitutional law professor!

/oh wait...

Constitutional Law "Senior Lecturer" (his title, he was never a professor, and Chicago is not an Ivy League school) said that it wasn't right when he was a Senator and voted on it with Harry Reid.

ZOMG!! POLITICIANS ARE TAKING DIFFERENT POSITIONS BASED ON POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE!! OH NOES!!

WE SHOULD ELECT MORE REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER DO THAT.

Bush respected the law and the constitution.


You know how I can tell you're trolling?

How? Are you saying that when Reid had these 30 second sessions to stop Bush's ability to do recess appointments, that Bush broke the law and went against the constitution (like the current President did?)

You're an idiot.

I don't care what racists think.


Yep. You're definitely an idiot.

But, just for fun: please try to justify your "racist" claim. Try as hard as you can.
 
2012-01-12 07:08:45 PM  

bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: You could make the same argument for any day in which the congress doesn't get anything done.

Nope. Genuinely conducting business but not passing any bills is different than holding pro forma sessions and not conducting business. A Congress that assembles, holds debate, and votes on legislation is clearly not in "recess," whether or not they get anything done.


Unfortunately, the law and the rules disagree with you.

Unfortunately, that's what's at issue, your bare assertion notwithstanding.


So 30 second sessions by Reid to keep Bush from doing recess appointments is okay with you?
 
2012-01-12 07:09:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: tenpoundsofcheese: You could make the same argument for any day in which the congress doesn't get anything done.

Nope. Genuinely conducting business but not passing any bills is different than holding pro forma sessions and not conducting business. A Congress that assembles, holds debate, and votes on legislation is clearly not in "recess," whether or not they get anything done.


Unfortunately, the law and the rules disagree with you.

Unfortunately, that's what's at issue, your bare assertion notwithstanding.

So 30 second sessions by Reid to keep Bush from doing recess appointments is okay with you?


Yep. You're definitely an idiot.

But, just for fun: please try to justify your "racist" claim. Try as hard as you can.
 
2012-01-12 07:09:48 PM  

eraser8: Yep. You're definitely an idiot.

But, just for fun: please try to justify your "racist" claim. Try as hard as you can.


People still talk to tenpoundsofbullshiat?
 
2012-01-12 07:10:28 PM  

skullkrusher: Mavent: skullkrusher: legal appointments or not, isn't this like a defense team saying their client is innocent?

You do understand how the three branches work, right? And how the Judicial is not the Executive?

So basically, there are two branches of Government saying it was legal, and one fourth of the remain branch saying it was "illegal". The Repubs know they've already lost this one, they just can't bring themselves to just up and take it like men. And both know they like taking it like men. ;)

I'll give you some time to think about why this was stupid.


Remember, there are people who think the US Chamber of Commerce is a government entity, too...
 
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