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Iran is an Arab country?

to be hones many of the arabs in israel are not arabs.

coco ebert: Hey, I JUST saw your email. I thought it was a returned email I sent. Will write you as soon as I get a sec.

Thx, coco! Any advice you have is appreciated.

Philip Francis Queeg: bidness: Uncle Tractor:
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Iran is an Arab country?

And you gotta watch out for those Somalians...I mean they can't do anything in their own country but Israel should watch out for them...for some reason.

Philip Francis Queeg: Iran is an Arab country?

Ditto the North African countries.

The Romans?

Philip Francis Queeg: bidness
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Iran is an Arab country?

Golly gee, you're so smart! I never heard of such! I thought all them brown people were the same and whatnot!

Sigh. Fark shrunk the image, but there is some text in there to the effect of "*Iran is not Arab, but it is a Muslim theocracy in the region that sponsors anti-Israeli terrorism." See that asterisk by the name?

bidness: Philip Francis Queeg: bidness
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Iran is an Arab country?

Golly gee, you're so smart! I never heard of such! I thought all them brown people were the same and whatnot!

Sigh. Fark shrunk the image, but there is some text in there to the effect of "*Iran is not Arab, but it is a Muslim theocracy in the region that sponsors anti-Israeli terrorism." See that asterisk by the name?

Well, then why not include the US in the map since we support Israel?

2wolves: Mrtraveler01: those Somalians...I mean they can't do anything in their own country but Israel should watch out for them...for some reason.

The Somali women can be stunningly attractive. Very dangerous for a nebbish guy with a grobbe tuchis.

And I'm guessing the women of Djibouti have a booty that won't quit.

Balfour Declaration November 2nd 1917:

Snippet:

"... it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine ... "

So proudly displayed on the Knesset's, & Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs' website. Also found on several prominent Israeli sites that routinely ignore the above. Absolutely adorable.

I'm sure resident Israeli supporters will somehow twist this into their favour.

/patiently awaiting the derp

WhyteRaven74: Philip Francis Queeg: Iran is an Arab country?

Ditto the North African countries.

It's from a pro-Israel website so obviously they had to spin it.

That said, I recognize that Israel doesn't have friendly neighbors. Doesn't mean Israel has a right to be a dick to them when the neighbors aren't doing anything at the current time.

miko_toy: Balfour Declaration November 2nd 1917:

Snippet:

"... it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine ... "

So proudly displayed on the Knesset's, & Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs' website. Also found on several prominent Israeli sites that routinely ignore the above. Absolutely adorable.

I'm sure resident Israeli supporters will somehow twist this into their favour.

/patiently awaiting the derp

Israel really does have potential to be a shining example of a functioning democracy in the middle east.

And yet they keep finding ways to fark that up.

Jake Havechek: El Pachuco: Tatsuma: Considering a fringe minority who will write graffiti on buildings, or set the occasional empty disused mosques on fire, versus shooting and killing innocents and blowing themselves up in buses, I'd say my fringe is not so bad.

What Tatsuma's fringe minority may look like:

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He's a habitual liar. I don't know how he gets away with it on here.

I see him getting a text from whatever Bureau of Disinformation he works for, telling him to hop into this thread on that website and spin it as much as he can.

Job must be a real shiat burrito or falafel or whatever they eat over there.

Mrtraveler01: Israel does seem like a beautiful country...as long as you're a Jew.

Never thought about Istanbul though, although it does seem like a nice city.

its a gorgeous city architecturally and artistically, considering all the empires that have had their seats there. For the same reason, it has a ton of history (and roman history is something of a passion of mine.) It also stands at the cross roads of europe and asia (and has for centuries.) Because of that it has amazing culture and food.

My dream trip is to travel down the coast of crotia and the baltics (visiting the largely intact roman cities and ruins throughout that region) and cap it off by ending up spending 5 days or so exploring Instanbul itself.

Amos Quito: hillbillypharmacist: I'm glad to see that antisemitism is alive and well.


Where?

In the universe where criticism of Israel's apartheid system is conclusive evidence of antisemitism.

I'm starting to think that Tats is a Palestinian plant. He makes some good points and knows the issues but his unrelenting tunnel vision and rabid nationalism really works against winning hearts and minds.

A Dark Evil Omen: Philip Francis Queeg: bidness: Philip Francis Queeg: bidness
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Iran is an Arab country?

Golly gee, you're so smart! I never heard of such! I thought all them brown people were the same and whatnot!

Sigh. Fark shrunk the image, but there is some text in there to the effect of "*Iran is not Arab, but it is a Muslim theocracy in the region that sponsors anti-Israeli terrorism." See that asterisk by the name?

Well, then why not include the US in the map since we support Israel?

Yeah, given how they've grouped the "anti-Israeli" countries, it should also have the US, Canada and large segments of western Europe painted pro-Israel.

Yes but it would've made the pro-Israel propaganda look silly.

And by Pro-Israel, I mean the pro-Likud and pro-right wingers of Israel.

The center and left-wing of Israel is a tad more reasonable.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I'm starting to think that Tats is a Palestinian plant. He makes some good points and knows the issues but his unrelenting tunnel vision and rabid nationalism really works against winning hearts and minds.

No, the hard-wingers in Israel are really that stupid and unreasonable.

Don't forget, some of them beat up a 7-year old girl and called her a whore just for walking to school.

Luckily, the majority of Israelis aren't that dickish.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I'm starting to think that Tats is a Palestinian plant. He makes some good points and knows the issues but his unrelenting tunnel vision and rabid nationalism really works against winning hearts and minds.

i think he's endemic to a larger issue isreal in general is having. They are so terrified of all these "threats"- real, imagined or overstated as they might be- that they are willing to take these sorts of extreme actions. At the same time, this paranoia that develops makes them unable to step back and look at how their actions are effecting their real long term survival.

As long as the US backs them, they are ultimately safe. They wont be "driven into the sea" if we support them. But by enacting all these jim crowesque laws and refusing to play ball with the international community, they slowly but surely undermine that relationship and drive the US away. Inertia and money are keeping the alliance alive at the highest levels, but they have already turned a corner on the rank and file voter in america (and increasingly with the average jewish-american on the street.) Once you lose the support of the electorate, its only a matter of time until politicians start using populist sentimate. Look at how well ron paul is doing with voters with an explicit "to heck with isreal" line? And look at the demographics of those voters....

Late to the party, but Tats said something worth expanding on a bit:

"When groups of Jews start blowing themselves off in buses or killing civilians intentionally, I'll call it terrorism as well."

As has been stated upthread, the King David hotel bombing demonstrated to the world how effectively a terrorist group can influence public policy. When symmetric warfare is impossible, people can and will use asymmetric warfare to great effect.

When a terrorist organization did this in 1946 in Israel, they opened Pandora's box with explosives. Now today they are lamenting the fact that so many people are using similar tactics in order to try to further their own goals, to their own detriment.

I hope that Israel and Palestine's great-grandchildren can one day forgive each other, unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime sooner than that.

tlchwi02: My dream trip is to travel down the coast of crotia and the baltics (visiting the largely intact roman cities and ruins throughout that region) and cap it off by ending up spending 5 days or so exploring Instanbul itself.

I hope you meant the "Balkans" because driving from Dalmatia to the Baltics would be an 800 mile ramble in the wrong direction.

But I hear ya. I've been to Croatia twice and love it. I'd like to go south across Montenegro (please!) and Albania, then into Greece and make my way east to Istanbul. As it stands, I'm probably just going to fly to Istanbul like everybody else.

moops
Even more ironic that the heads of those Jewish terrorist groups became Prime Ministers of Israel.

THIS


Sock Ruh Tease
Jesus Christ on a stick, Israel threads never cease to amaze me in their ability to lure people in.

He's not retarded or trolling. He's an actual, dyed-in-the-wool fascist. You should see some of the things he says in economic-related threads. For example in 6867734: "Just because you have a lot of money doesn't mean that you are not going to have to worry about getting fired"


RexTalionis
I say we should just take the land away from everybody currently living in the area and give it to, I dunno, Asians or something.

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You know the ruling sucks when not even an apologist like Tats can defend it but instead goes off on another tangent to change the subject.

tlchwi02: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I'm starting to think that Tats is a Palestinian plant. He makes some good points and knows the issues but his unrelenting tunnel vision and rabid nationalism really works against winning hearts and minds.

i think he's endemic to a larger issue isreal in general is having. They are so terrified of all these "threats"- real, imagined or overstated as they might be- that they are willing to take these sorts of extreme actions. At the same time, this paranoia that develops makes them unable to step back and look at how their actions are effecting their real long term survival.

As long as the US backs them, they are ultimately safe. They wont be "driven into the sea" if we support them. But by enacting all these jim crowesque laws and refusing to play ball with the international community, they slowly but surely undermine that relationship and drive the US away. Inertia and money are keeping the alliance alive at the highest levels, but they have already turned a corner on the rank and file voter in america (and increasingly with the average jewish-american on the street.) Once you lose the support of the electorate, its only a matter of time until politicians start using populist sentimate. Look at how well ron paul is doing with voters with an explicit "to heck with isreal" line? And look at the demographics of those voters....


And they call Ron Paul a "racist" thanks to those old newsletters.

How many American politicians have pledged their fealty to the racist apartheid Israeli regime?







Maybe it's time that we call them on their hypocrisy?

Religious nutballs are all the same.

Different book. Same crazy.

CitizenTed: I hope you meant the "Balkans" because driving from Dalmatia to the Baltics would be an 800 mile ramble in the wrong direction.

haha, you are correct. I've heard the baltic can be nice too, but the plan is indeed the balkans. typo on my part.

i have some family friends in Split who have offered a bed if ever i should be there, which increases my temptation to try a drive (or train, or whatever is most viable) since i could start with a visit with them and that would be a decent start point

Amos Quito: How many American politicians have pledged their fealty to the racist apartheid Israeli regime?

As far as I can tell, all of them. The three branches of the American government are:

1) Israel
2) Wall Street
3) The Pentagon

Amos Quito: And they call Ron Paul a "racist" thanks to those old newsletters

He admitted he wrote them in the 90s. It was only a few years ago that he said he didn't. Plus, they have his name on them. He's either a racist, or forgetful, or a bad manager. Take your pick, they're all bad.

thamike: Amos Quito: How many American politicians have pledged their fealty to the racist apartheid Israeli regime?

Obama?

Hasn't Obama been roundly criticized for criticizing Israel's policies?

Amos Quito: How many American politicians have pledged their fealty to the racist apartheid Israeli regime?

I think Isreal takes this sort of thing for granted at their own peril. It seems as though support for isreal in the government is a sure thing, but i think the success of ron paul's message on foreign policy in general (and isreal specifically) is gaining traction in a far wider section of the population than is widely aknowledged by the political class. Paul may not be the guy to do anything about it due to other baggage, but if people think that Isreal is going to regain the support of the american voter (and especially younger voters with a different world view on isreal then their grandparents) by passing laws that remind us of jim crow and aparthied, they are dangerously mistaken. If they think they can handle the region without support, then i suppose thats their business.

Tatsuma: Tell me the last thing THEY did to pave the way toward reconciliation and peace.

I'm left of Kucinich so my opinion might not matter much. I do believe that Israel has a right to exist. It has at least as much right as any other nation in the Mideast. Every single country there was created by allied powers either after WW1 or WW2. Israel's problem is basically the same as USA's problem; the natives got kicked the fark out and strangers took their land. Frankly I'm not going to walk off my property so somebody else can take it. USA will force Israel to exist at least long enough to be historically local.

Palestinians do in fact require a solution. And let's not kid around, USA uses Israel politically (and vice versa). The Muslim mideast nations use the Palestinians politically for exactly the opposite reason. The sad part is that they cockblock the Palestinians even more than anyone in USA or Israel. They whine and moan about the Palestinians, but then they do everything in their power to ensure the Palestinians remain stateless and powerless.

I'm not sure what hurts worse: the fact that the locals will always hate each other or the fact that everyone else in the world intentionally prevents them from settling the score on amicable terms.

yert: it not an option for anyone who is not jewish or already an israeli citizen to become a citizen except by birth. Arab israelis' children are israelis.

Perhaps not? The interwebs are saying you just have to cool your heels for 5 years as a legal resident and then go through the standard (and no doubt bureaucratically nightmarish) application process. But of course that's just the internets, so I don't know.

Anyways, it's not like this is about racism, because "jew" isn't really a race. It's about ethnicity and most importantly about religion. A primitive tribal religion based on incomplete texts and centuries of oral tradition.

Totally forgot...

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Since when are Iran and Somaila Arab countries?

WhyteRaven74: Philip Francis Queeg: Iran is an Arab country?

Ditto the North African countries.

Those actually are Arab.

Israel's top court has upheld a law denying citizenship to Palestinians married to Israelis, with one judge saying it helped the Jewish state fend off "national suicide"...Israeli law guarantees full civil rights, including political representation, to Arab citizens, who are mostly Muslim. But they often complain of entrenched racism.

If an American was to go to Gaza and marry a Palestinian, would the Palestinian then be considered a U.S. citizen? I'm curious about that.

Tatsuma: hubiestubert: Tell me again how this paves the path towards reconcilliation and peace.,,

Tell me why we have to always be the only ones to do this

Tell me the last thing THEY did to pave the way toward reconciliation and peace.

?????????? Do you have no internal filter? Or is this the day where you come out as the king of trolls?

hubiestubert: Tell me again how this paves the path towards reconcilliation and peace.,,

At some point, the Israelis are going to have to either admit that a half century of this crap hasn't worked, or they're going to have to just say, "EVERYONE OUT!" and deal with a reduced labor pool.

Are you joking? A half century and have you seen how much land they've absorbed? It's not only working perfectly, it's working as intended. Pretend Israel is a slow motion Germany seeking Lebensraum. Stability would kill their plan. This low level, heavy retaliation model is a war fought in decades.

This is how you ethnically cleanse a swath of land for annexation without forcing the world to act.

Wendy's Chili: bidness: All you morons braying about "a racist, apartheid state" should find out how Jews have been treated in most middle eastern countries, and you might understand why they want one state in the world where they're in the majority. And realize that most other states in the world were founded at least partially on an ethnic basis. "Democracy" isn't defined as "letting in so many foreigners and enemies that your native culture gets lost." Yeah, yeah, I already know what you're thinking. "You're not speaking Cherokee, blah blah blah, brown people." Maybe if the Native Americans had the knowledge, will and capacity to form an ethnic-based nation-state, they would have been able to resist the incursions of European outsiders.

So let me get this straight...

This new Israeli law is ok because Native Americans are stupid and inferior?

The ignorance of North American history is astounding in that there post.

muck4doo: Israel's top court has upheld a law denying citizenship to Palestinians married to Israelis, with one judge saying it helped the Jewish state fend off "national suicide" [paging Dr. Kevorkian... Dr. Jack Kevorkian to the white courtesy phone please] ...Israeli law guarantees full civil rights, including political representation, to Arab citizens, who are mostly Muslim. But they often complain of entrenched racism.

If an American was to go to Gaza and marry a Palestinian, would the Palestinian then be considered a U.S. citizen? I'm curious about that.


AFAIK, You are not a US citizen unless you're either born here or naturalized via the citizenship process, but a Pallie married to an American would certainly not be prevented from moving here, gaining residency and applying for citizenship simply because (s)he was of Palestinian origin - as they are in Israel.