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yert		2012-01-12 04:48:58 PM

cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

Philip Francis Queeg		2012-01-12 04:50:23 PM

yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

If it was just heritage and tradition it wouldn't matter what either of your parents were.

RexTalionis		2012-01-12 04:50:57 PM

neversubmit: Tatsuma: hubiestubert: Tell me again how this paves the path towards reconcilliation and peace.,,

Tell me why we have to always be the only ones to do this

Who are the better people? .... Right! That's why.

I say we should just take the land away from everybody currently living in the area and give it to, I dunno, Asians or something.

cameroncrazy1984		2012-01-12 04:51:54 PM

yert: Cubansaltyballs: yert: As far as I understand if you are born in Israel and are Arab (term used loosely) you are an Israeli citizen and have all the rights and protections there of (but are generally treated like blacks and mexicans here)

If you are arab and born in occupied terrirtory of somewhere else you are palastinian and can go fark yourself.

No.

Here's the decision tree:

Are you Jewish?

Yes -> Full rights and citizenship

No -> No rights and no citizenship

you're wrong but keep farking that chicken

Care to explain how that's incorrect? Or is it just because you say so?

Amos Quito		2012-01-12 04:52:40 PM

yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish.

I' m not racist.

I have nothing against black people.

I only hate people whose parents were black people.

:-/

J. Frank Parnell		2012-01-12 04:53:01 PM

Somacandra: Not terribly ironic. Zionism as a cultural force tended to appeal to more secularized/reform-style members of the Jewish community for a long time. Participating in the 'historicity of being Jewish' was largely the role of Judaism for them.

I meant ironic to those who still manage to believe Israel has something to do with God. Which isn't even limited to Jews, but also Christians. You can't be both 'gods chosen people' and an atheist.

Like a Jewish friend of mine says about Israel when no one is looking, "it's all just politics".

Mrtraveler01		2012-01-12 04:53:03 PM

yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

So instead of racial purity it's religious purity?

Well that makes it all better than right?

/rolls eyes

Captain_Ballbeard		2012-01-12 04:53:04 PM

yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish.

I believe that is the same test the Gestapo used in determining whether you got on the train or not.

cameroncrazy1984		2012-01-12 04:53:06 PM

yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

Heritage...so, race.

Are you following this? Or do I have to break it down a little more for your simple brain?

yert		2012-01-12 04:55:14 PM

Cubansaltyballs: yert: you're wrong but keep farking that chicken

Ok...

Let's start here:

Can a non-Jew get married to a Jew in Israel ? Will the state recognize it as legal?

Can a non-Jew get married to a non-Jew in Israel? Will the state recognize it as legal?

Indy Law asked "What is the legal distinction between an Arab citizen of Israel and a Palestinian Arab?"

I answered the question. You are asking different questions.
and the answer to both of your questions is yes. A jew can marry a non jew in israel. and if the non jew is also an israeli then they are both israeli citizens. A jew can marry a non jew who is not israeli and the state recognizes the marriage BUT they may not become a citizen. their children are considered citizens. (this is my boat). A non jew israeli can marry a non-jew israeli they are still israelis so are their kids.

clear on all this now.

Amos Quito		2012-01-12 04:56:06 PM

Jake Havechek: El Pachuco: Tatsuma: Considering a fringe minority who will write graffiti on buildings, or set the occasional empty disused mosques on fire, versus shooting and killing innocents and blowing themselves up in buses, I'd say my fringe is not so bad.

What Tatsuma's fringe minority may look like:

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He's a habitual liar. I don't know how he gets away with it on here.

If you call him on his lies, he puts you on ignore, so as far as he can see, everyone believes him.

emotion_lotion		2012-01-12 04:56:08 PM

Tatsuma just amazes me.

Not only does he know what all Jews think and feel, he is privy to all meetings held by the Isreale government and gets to go on all military missions.

Then goes to the Palestinian side, checks it out and makes sure he truly understands thier side and perspective and what happened.

Then goes back in time to make sure Moses wrote the tora and makes sure that all ancient hebrew is translated properly so that there is no dissagrement on words and meanings.

I don't know how he does it, must be the Challah.

yert		2012-01-12 04:56:47 PM

Amos Quito: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish.

I' m not racist.

I have nothing against black people.

I only hate people whose parents were black people.

:-/

your mother can be black and jewish

yert		2012-01-12 04:57:26 PM

cameroncrazy1984: yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

Heritage...so, race.

Are you following this? Or do I have to break it down a little more for your simple brain?

cultural heritage.

Cubicle Jockey		2012-01-12 04:58:20 PM

Tatsuma: 96-98% of Judea and Samaria

You were offering them the white space on a piece of graph paper while forbidding them from touching the blue lines, and then told them to make a coherent country of it.

I would have told you to go suck eggs too.

Mrtraveler01		2012-01-12 04:59:26 PM

yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

Heritage...so, race.

Are you following this? Or do I have to break it down a little more for your simple brain?

cultural heritage.

And this makes it ok why?

yert		2012-01-12 05:00:30 PM

Mrtraveler01: yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

So instead of racial purity it's religious purity?

Well that makes it all better than right?

/rolls eyes

no it its not relgious either. it is cultural heritage. many jew are not religiousl. my father in law was an atheist but he was still jewish. jews cannot sepparte their religion and their culture. it is one in the same. where as most Europeans can.

I am not saying I agree with with the Israelis/Jews on any of this. I am just trying to explain it so people have some knowledge of what they they are talking about.

yert		2012-01-12 05:02:05 PM

Mrtraveler01: yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

Heritage...so, race.

Are you following this? Or do I have to break it down a little more for your simple brain?

cultural heritage.

And this makes it ok why?

Never said it makes it OK. When did I say I approved of it. I am just answering questioned that were asked. I thought that was what we do here. sry. If you don't want the answers don't aske the questions. just go through life thinking you know everything and look like and idiot.

Amos Quito		2012-01-12 05:02:13 PM

yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

Yeah, "race" isn't really the issue with who qualifies as a Jew. It's all about the Maternal bloodline.

i44.tinypic.com

Something must be being passed along in the mitochondrial DNA.

Philip Francis Queeg		2012-01-12 05:02:25 PM

yert: Mrtraveler01: yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

So instead of racial purity it's religious purity?

Well that makes it all better than right?

/rolls eyes

no it its not relgious either. it is cultural heritage. many jew are not religiousl. my father in law was an atheist but he was still jewish. jews cannot sepparte their religion and their culture. it is one in the same. where as most Europeans can.

I am not saying I agree with with the Israelis/Jews on any of this. I am just trying to explain it so people have some knowledge of what they they are talking about.

What does your mother's ancestory have to do with cultural heritage?

El Pachuco		2012-01-12 05:03:29 PM

emotion_lotion: Tatsuma just amazes me.

Not only does he know what all Jews think and feel, he is privy to all meetings held by the Isreale government and gets to go on all military missions.

Then goes to the Palestinian side, checks it out and makes sure he truly understands thier side and perspective and what happened.

Then goes back in time to make sure Moses wrote the tora and makes sure that all ancient hebrew is translated properly so that there is no dissagrement on words and meanings.

I don't know how he does it, must be the Challah.

Dude's not even really Jewish. There's no zealotry like that of a convert.

Amos Quito		2012-01-12 05:03:33 PM

yert: Amos Quito: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish.

I' m not racist.

I have nothing against black people.

I only hate people whose parents were black people.

:-/

your mother can be black and jewish

Wouldn't that make her Blewish?

Tatsuma		2012-01-12 05:04:56 PM

Stile4aly: The map proposed by Ehud Barak was untenable. It annexed about 9% of Palestinian land and only gave back 1% of Israeli land. There were some crazy examples as well where towns a few miles about would be separated by dozens of miles thanks to convoluted borders without checkpoints. They basically took a Whitman's sampler box and ate everything but the Marzipan and then wondered why the Palestinians weren't thrilled with free chocolate.

Yeah this was Olmert, not Barak.

sno man		2012-01-12 05:05:18 PM

RexTalionis: neversubmit: Tatsuma: hubiestubert: Tell me again how this paves the path towards reconcilliation and peace.,,

Tell me why we have to always be the only ones to do this

Who are the better people? .... Right! That's why.

I say we should just take the land away from everybody currently living in the area and give it to, I dunno, Asians or something.

that's funny, didn't they just kick out the one Japanese kid studying there so he wouldn't put down roots?

yert		2012-01-12 05:05:33 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: yert: Mrtraveler01: yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

So instead of racial purity it's religious purity?

Well that makes it all better than right?

/rolls eyes

no it its not relgious either. it is cultural heritage. many jew are not religiousl. my father in law was an atheist but he was still jewish. jews cannot sepparte their religion and their culture. it is one in the same. where as most Europeans can.

I am not saying I agree with with the Israelis/Jews on any of this. I am just trying to explain it so people have some knowledge of what they they are talking about.

What does your mother's ancestory have to do with cultural heritage?

don't know really. I am not jewish. it was explained to me that the father could be anyone but there was only one choice for the mother. I guess it is a way to keep your population high. If your woman can slutty but their kids are part of the tribe you get a bigger tribe.

Amos Quito		2012-01-12 05:05:55 PM

yert: no it its not relgious either. it is cultural heritage. many jew are not religiousl. my father in law was an atheist but he was still jewish. jews cannot sepparte their religion and their culture. it is one in the same. where as most Europeans can.

Sounds like a disability.

Can they park in handicapped spaces?

The Name		2012-01-12 05:09:14 PM

Ancient Israel?

sno man		2012-01-12 05:10:44 PM

yert: Philip Francis Queeg: yert: Mrtraveler01: yert: cameroncrazy1984: yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish

...sounds like racial purity to me.

not really the father could be a black kenyan usurper. the kid is still a jew. so race really is not important. heritage and tradition are what count.

So instead of racial purity it's religious purity?

Well that makes it all better than right?

/rolls eyes

no it its not relgious either. it is cultural heritage. many jew are not religiousl. my father in law was an atheist but he was still jewish. jews cannot sepparte their religion and their culture. it is one in the same. where as most Europeans can.

I am not saying I agree with with the Israelis/Jews on any of this. I am just trying to explain it so people have some knowledge of what they they are talking about.

What does your mother's ancestory have to do with cultural heritage?

don't know really. I am not jewish. it was explained to me that the father could be anyone but there was only one choice for the mother. I guess it is a way to keep your population high. If your woman can slutty but their kids are part of the tribe you get a bigger tribe.

That's the way I heard it too, You always know who the mother is.... the father, not so much. So basically it was easier to prove lineage from the mother.

sno man		2012-01-12 05:11:30 PM

The Name: Ancient Israel?

yea, like in the 50's

RexTalionis		2012-01-12 05:11:51 PM

sno man: RexTalionis: neversubmit: Tatsuma: hubiestubert: Tell me again how this paves the path towards reconcilliation and peace.,,

Tell me why we have to always be the only ones to do this

Who are the better people? .... Right! That's why.

I say we should just take the land away from everybody currently living in the area and give it to, I dunno, Asians or something.

that's funny, didn't they just kick out the one Japanese kid studying there so he wouldn't put down roots?

Oh, yeah, they did:

HA'ARETZ - "More than 300 lecturers and doctoral students sent on Tuesday letters to Israel's President Shimon Peres, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar to protest the Immigration Authority's decision not to extend a foreign student's visa. In its decision, the Immigration Authority said it feared the student - who asked to extend his visa so he can finish his doctorate, might "strike down roots" in Israel.

Koji Yamashiro finished his B.A. and M.A. in the Department of Jewish Thought in Jerusalem's Hebrew University, and won a presidential scholarship for his doctoral studies. Yamashiro's research focuses on monotheistic religions. "

violentsalvation		2012-01-12 05:20:08 PM

This is pretty indefensible. Jim Crowstein is unacceptable.

Dialectic		2012-01-12 05:22:51 PM

You know who else had marriage laws aimed at preserving purity?

...in Germany!

Uncle Tractor		2012-01-12 05:23:31 PM

Tatsuma: Tell me the last thing THEY did to pave the way toward reconciliation and peace.

How does one pave the way towards reconciliation and peace with somebody who breaks into your house, confines you to one room in the attic, and won't even let you use your own bathroom?

Karac		2012-01-12 05:25:33 PM

Tatsuma: How is that about racial purity if it's about ANY Israeli, whether Arab, Jewish, or anything else?

Maybe because it appears that if an American marries an Israeli, the American gets Israeli citizenship. Same for Germans, the French, Djiboutians, Martian manhunters, kryptonians, and Wookies.

But if the spouse happens to be Palistianian, then the rules change. This shiat is no better than the anti-miscongeniation laws that we got rid of in the US decades ago. Hell, we got rid of them so long ago, I'm pretty sure I misspelled the damn term. Welcome to 60's era Jim Crow, Israel.

derpdeederp		2012-01-12 05:25:47 PM

The United States?

cameroncrazy1984		2012-01-12 05:35:17 PM

The Name: Ancient Israel?

I'm not saying it was Israelis...but it was Israelis.

yert		2012-01-12 05:37:33 PM

Karac: Tatsuma: How is that about racial purity if it's about ANY Israeli, whether Arab, Jewish, or anything else?

Maybe because it appears that if an American marries an Israeli, the American gets Israeli citizenship. Same for Germans, the French, Djiboutians, Martian manhunters, kryptonians, and Wookies.

But if the spouse happens to be Palistianian, then the rules change. This shiat is no better than the anti-miscongeniation laws that we got rid of in the US decades ago. Hell, we got rid of them so long ago, I'm pretty sure I misspelled the damn term. Welcome to 60's era Jim Crow, Israel.

wrong. only if they are jewish. I am an american married to an israeli. I cannot get israeli citizenship.

ironically my wife is studying for her us citizenship and my daughters are duel citizens.

Uncle Tractor		2012-01-12 05:40:16 PM

ArkAngel: As much as this decision sucks, Israel is, by far, the most free country in the Middle East

Now look at the average country in the ME and ask yourself: "Is that even worth mentioning?"

If Israel wants to be considered a western-style democracy, then Israel has to start acting the part. Something it has never done ever. Instead, Israel is just marginally better than it's neighbors. By western standards, that makes Israel a very bad place.

i560.photobucket.com

CitizenTed		2012-01-12 05:41:14 PM

LincolnLogolas: CitizenTed: ArkAngel: As much as this decision sucks, Israel is, by far, the most free country in the Middle East

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What am I? Chopped liver?

Depending on who you ask, Turkey is either European (Istanbul spans the dividing line between Europe and Asia) or Middle-Eastern.

Turkey is really sort of both. Yes, it is applying for entry in to the EU. And yes, it is a full NATO country. And yes, its urban populations seem kind of thrilled to be considered "European". But Turkey is also geographically middle eastern and it has a huge amount of sway in Mideast politics, both historically and currently. Their Kurdish troubles extend to Iraq and their Syrian worries seem to have no end. Add to that a long border with Iran and I think it's safe to say Turkey is "Middle Eastern".

And I do consider Turkey to be a more secular, democratic and stable state than Israel. In fact, I think Turkey is a better "partner in peace" than Israel. I'm even considering visiting Turkey this year on vacation. Israel? Um, no thanks.

Amos Quito		2012-01-12 05:41:39 PM

yert: Karac: Tatsuma: How is that about racial purity if it's about ANY Israeli, whether Arab, Jewish, or anything else?

Maybe because it appears that if an American marries an Israeli, the American gets Israeli citizenship. Same for Germans, the French, Djiboutians, Martian manhunters, kryptonians, and Wookies.

But if the spouse happens to be Palistianian, then the rules change. This shiat is no better than the anti-miscongeniation laws that we got rid of in the US decades ago. Hell, we got rid of them so long ago, I'm pretty sure I misspelled the damn term. Welcome to 60's era Jim Crow, Israel.

wrong. only if they are jewish. I am an american married to an israeli. I cannot get israeli citizenship.

ironically my wife is studying for her us citizenship and my daughters are duel citizens.

www.themoderndaypirates.com

Wow, those Jewish girls are tough!

Karac		2012-01-12 05:44:37 PM

yert: Karac: Tatsuma: How is that about racial purity if it's about ANY Israeli, whether Arab, Jewish, or anything else?

Maybe because it appears that if an American marries an Israeli, the American gets Israeli citizenship. Same for Germans, the French, Djiboutians, Martian manhunters, kryptonians, and Wookies.

But if the spouse happens to be Palistianian, then the rules change. This shiat is no better than the anti-miscongeniation laws that we got rid of in the US decades ago. Hell, we got rid of them so long ago, I'm pretty sure I misspelled the damn term. Welcome to 60's era Jim Crow, Israel.

wrong. only if they are jewish. I am an american married to an israeli. I cannot get israeli citizenship.

ironically my wife is studying for her us citizenship and my daughters are duel citizens.

OK, so nobody automatically gets citizenship. That was not mentioned in TFA. But it seems to point out that even that isn't an option if the spouse happens to fall into that one particular racial group.

tlchwi02		2012-01-12 05:44:41 PM

CitizenTed: And I do consider Turkey to be a more secular, democratic and stable state than Israel. In fact, I think Turkey is a better "partner in peace" than Israel. I'm even considering visiting Turkey this year on vacation. Israel? Um, no thanks.

i've always wanted to visit Instabul myself. its on my bucket list

Mrtraveler01		2012-01-12 05:47:45 PM

RexTalionis: sno man: RexTalionis: neversubmit: Tatsuma: hubiestubert: Tell me again how this paves the path towards reconcilliation and peace.,,

Tell me why we have to always be the only ones to do this

Who are the better people? .... Right! That's why.

I say we should just take the land away from everybody currently living in the area and give it to, I dunno, Asians or something.

that's funny, didn't they just kick out the one Japanese kid studying there so he wouldn't put down roots?

Oh, yeah, they did:

HA'ARETZ - "More than 300 lecturers and doctoral students sent on Tuesday letters to Israel's President Shimon Peres, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar to protest the Immigration Authority's decision not to extend a foreign student's visa. In its decision, the Immigration Authority said it feared the student - who asked to extend his visa so he can finish his doctorate, might "strike down roots" in Israel.

Koji Yamashiro finished his B.A. and M.A. in the Department of Jewish Thought in Jerusalem's Hebrew University, and won a presidential scholarship for his doctoral studies. Yamashiro's research focuses on monotheistic religions. "

That's awful. The really need to put the moderates and centrists back in charge in that country.

Too bad Israel faces the same problem as the US and keeps shifting to the right.

bidness		2012-01-12 05:48:41 PM

Uncle Tractor:

Images are fun, aren't they?

i96.photobucket.com

Mrtraveler01		2012-01-12 05:49:20 PM

tlchwi02: CitizenTed: And I do consider Turkey to be a more secular, democratic and stable state than Israel. In fact, I think Turkey is a better "partner in peace" than Israel. I'm even considering visiting Turkey this year on vacation. Israel? Um, no thanks.

i've always wanted to visit Instabul myself. its on my bucket list

Israel does seem like a beautiful country...as long as you're a Jew.

Never thought about Istanbul though, although it does seem like a nice city.

Mugato		2012-01-12 05:49:34 PM

So could you guys choose between nationality, race or religion?

ANTI-SEMITE!

Holy shiat, sorry. I'm going back to the entertainment tab.

yert		2012-01-12 05:50:02 PM

Karac: yert: Karac: Tatsuma: How is that about racial purity if it's about ANY Israeli, whether Arab, Jewish, or anything else?

Maybe because it appears that if an American marries an Israeli, the American gets Israeli citizenship. Same for Germans, the French, Djiboutians, Martian manhunters, kryptonians, and Wookies.

But if the spouse happens to be Palistianian, then the rules change. This shiat is no better than the anti-miscongeniation laws that we got rid of in the US decades ago. Hell, we got rid of them so long ago, I'm pretty sure I misspelled the damn term. Welcome to 60's era Jim Crow, Israel.

wrong. only if they are jewish. I am an american married to an israeli. I cannot get israeli citizenship.

ironically my wife is studying for her us citizenship and my daughters are duel citizens.

OK, so nobody automatically gets citizenship. That was not mentioned in TFA. But it seems to point out that even that isn't an option if the spouse happens to fall into that one particular racial group.

it not an option for anyone who is not jewish or already an israeli citizen to become a citizen except by birth. Arab israelis' children are israelis.

Mrtraveler01		2012-01-12 05:50:31 PM

bidness: Uncle Tractor:
[i560.photobucket.com image 640x426]

Images are fun, aren't they?

[i96.photobucket.com image 640x414]

So that makes it ok to treat Palestinians like second-class citizens?

Philip Francis Queeg		2012-01-12 05:50:31 PM

bidness: Uncle Tractor:
[i560.photobucket.com image 640x426]

Images are fun, aren't they?

[i96.photobucket.com image 640x414]

Iran is an Arab country?