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2012-01-12 04:21:18 PM  
It's fairly impressive how Israel manages to look like a dick... in the Middle East.
 
2012-01-12 04:21:33 PM  
All you morons braying about "a racist, apartheid state" should find out how Jews have been treated in most middle eastern countries, and you might understand why they want one state in the world where they're in the majority. And realize that most other states in the world were founded at least partially on an ethnic basis. "Democracy" isn't defined as "letting in so many foreigners and enemies that your native culture gets lost." Yeah, yeah, I already know what you're thinking. "You're not speaking Cherokee, blah blah blah, brown people." Maybe if the Native Americans had the knowledge, will and capacity to form an ethnic-based nation-state, they would have been able to resist the incursions of European outsiders.
 
2012-01-12 04:21:51 PM  

Mugato: That's why it's not about Judaism. I don't give a shiat about Judaism, as most people don't. Except they make any criticism about what anyone in Israel does about Judaism and therefore "anti-Semitism"


Its incredibly convoluted. In Israeli some of the more Jewish theocratic political parties (new window) (like the UTJ) explicitly deny the right of Israel to exist but nonetheless participate in the cabinet.
 
2012-01-12 04:23:52 PM  

bidness: All you morons braying about "a racist, apartheid state" should find out how Jews have been treated in most middle eastern countries, and you might understand why they want one state in the world where they're in the majority. And realize that most other states in the world were founded at least partially on an ethnic basis. "Democracy" isn't defined as "letting in so many foreigners and enemies that your native culture gets lost." Yeah, yeah, I already know what you're thinking. "You're not speaking Cherokee, blah blah blah, brown people." Maybe if the Native Americans had the knowledge, will and capacity to form an ethnic-based nation-state, they would have been able to resist the incursions of European outsiders.


So might makes right then?
 
2012-01-12 04:23:55 PM  

bidness: Maybe if the Native Americans had the knowledge, will and capacity to form an ethnic-based nation-state, they would have been able to resist the incursions of European outsiders.


5/10

Needs more Elijah Muhammad.
 
2012-01-12 04:24:51 PM  

bidness: All you morons braying about "a racist, apartheid state" should find out how Jews have been treated in most middle eastern countries, and you might understand why they want one state in the world where they're in the majority. want to get in on that action.


Apparently this makes it all ok.

BTW, this is the tripe that Abe Foxman from the ADL spews. The motherfarker runs an anti-bigotry organization, and is on record saying it's ok to be bigoted if you have a good reason. But only if you're Jewish.
 
2012-01-12 04:25:19 PM  

bidness: All you morons braying about "a racist, apartheid state" should find out how Jews have been treated in most middle eastern countries, and you might understand why they want one state in the world where they're in the majority. And realize that most other states in the world were founded at least partially on an ethnic basis.


Ok. So if Arabs treat Jews like animals that makes it ok for Jews to treat Arabs like animals?

I guess it's ok to oppress people and treat them like animals if other people of their race don't treat you well.


By that logic, it would be ok for Israel to exterminate 6mil Europeans... after all, Europeans did exterminate 6mil Jews.
 
2012-01-12 04:25:23 PM  

CitizenTed: ArkAngel: As much as this decision sucks, Israel is, by far, the most free country in the Middle East

[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]

What am I? Chopped liver?


Depending on who you ask, Turkey is either European (Instanbul spans the dividing line between Europe and Asia) or Middle-Eastern.
 
2012-01-12 04:26:37 PM  

moops: Even more ironic that the heads of those Jewish terrorist groups became Prime Ministers of Israel.


And irony overload is that most prime ministers of Israel have been Atheists.
 
2012-01-12 04:26:40 PM  
Sincere question for someone knowledgeable of such things:

What is the legal distinction between an Arab citizen of Israel and a Palestinian Arab?
 
2012-01-12 04:27:25 PM  

bidness: All you morons braying about "a racist, apartheid state" should find out how Jews have been treated in most middle eastern countries, and you might understand why they want one state in the world where they're in the majority. And realize that most other states in the world were founded at least partially on an ethnic basis. "Democracy" isn't defined as "letting in so many foreigners and enemies that your native culture gets lost." Yeah, yeah, I already know what you're thinking. "You're not speaking Cherokee, blah blah blah, brown people." Maybe if the Native Americans had the knowledge, will and capacity to form an ethnic-based nation-state, they would have been able to resist the incursions of European outsiders.


So let me get this straight...

This new Israeli law is ok because Native Americans are stupid and inferior?
 
2012-01-12 04:28:03 PM  
Ironically while they demand that other countries INTEGRATE INTEGRATE INTEGRATE!

When are we going to stop sending these people money?
 
2012-01-12 04:29:28 PM  
You know who else wanted a pure nation?
 
2012-01-12 04:29:40 PM  

indylaw: Sincere question for someone knowledgeable of such things:

What is the legal distinction between an Arab citizen of Israel and a Palestinian Arab?


If they are not Jewish, and born anywhere, they are not a full citizen of Israel and are not permitted all the rights and protections of full citizens.

If they are Jewish, and born anywhere, they are a full citizen of Israel and are afforded all the rights and protections the sate can offer.
 
2012-01-12 04:30:38 PM  

indylaw: Sincere question for someone knowledgeable of such things:

What is the legal distinction between an Arab citizen of Israel and a Palestinian Arab?



Shekels baby, shekels.
 
2012-01-12 04:30:47 PM  

Somacandra: bidness: Maybe if the Native Americans had the knowledge, will and capacity to form an ethnic-based nation-state, they would have been able to resist the incursions of European outsiders.

5/10

Needs more Elijah Muhammad.


Too low. Look at those bites!

8/10
 
2012-01-12 04:31:06 PM  

Tatsuma: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's only terrorism when they do it.

When groups of Jews start blowing themselves off in buses or killing civilians intentionally, I'll call it terrorism as well.



The King David Hotel bombing (new window) was an attack carried out by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization Irgun on the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured.
 
2012-01-12 04:31:12 PM  

moops: Actual Farking: Also ironic is that Jewish resistance groups responded with terrorism.

Even more ironic that the heads of those Jewish terrorist groups became Prime Ministers of Israel.


www.bollyn.com


The King David Hotel bombing was THE single deadliest terrorist attack ever committed in Palestine-cum-Israel.

Maybe they should ban Jews?
 
2012-01-12 04:32:00 PM  

topcon: Ironically while they demand that other countries INTEGRATE INTEGRATE INTEGRATE!

When are we going to stop sending these people money?


Remember, these are the same ones that just did an ad campaign telling their citizens not to marry non-Jewish Americans.... since we are pretty much the mongrel scum of the earth. But it doesn't stop them from cashing our check or using our military equipment.
 
2012-01-12 04:32:32 PM  
Beaten by 6/10ths of a second!
 
2012-01-12 04:32:44 PM  

moops: Actual Farking: Also ironic is that Jewish resistance groups responded with terrorism.

Even more ironic that the heads of those Jewish terrorist groups became Prime Ministers of Israel.


Yeah, and that Likud is the direct descendant of Irgun which was responsible for the King David Hotel bombing. Interesting that upthread Tatsuma said:


Tatsuma: Or, you know, elect someone else other than terrorists.

You can only make peace with those who seek peace


It's like raiiiin on you wedding day!
 
2012-01-12 04:33:13 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: HotWingConspiracy: They've really just dropped all pretenses over there, eh?

What kind of god would put these right wing pigs in charge of anything?

Certainly not the God of the Torah.



Sarcasm?

Or never read the Torah?
 
2012-01-12 04:33:22 PM  
I'm actually relieved that only the obvious individual is defending this nonsense. I'm going to leave this thread before that warm fuzzy feeling is ruined.

/good idea
 
2012-01-12 04:33:27 PM  

Tatsuma: hubiestubert:

Look, you are clearly ignorant of all the different attempts at peace that Israel made, or you are so blindfully biased that you refuse to even acknowledge them.

Explain to me how offering:

100% of Gaza
East Jerusalem
96-98% of Judea and Samaria
Accept a token number of 1948 refugees and compensate the rest

is not enough.

Because the last time we proposed them that, they didn't even bother calling back and say no, they just ignored us.


The map proposed by Ehud Barak was untenable. It annexed about 9% of Palestinian land and only gave back 1% of Israeli land. There were some crazy examples as well where towns a few miles about would be separated by dozens of miles thanks to convoluted borders without checkpoints. They basically took a Whitman's sampler box and ate everything but the Marzipan and then wondered why the Palestinians weren't thrilled with free chocolate.
 
2012-01-12 04:33:31 PM  
As an american non jew married to an israeli jew this is not about Palestinians this rule goes for everyone. I cannot become an israeli citizen because I am not Jewish.

Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish. If you can prove that you are in like flyn. They will even give you a bunch of money to emigrate and move you into a nice settlement.

this is one of many issues I have with them.
get out of the west bank. It is not yours. I don't know who's it is but it is not yours. If they shoot at you shoot back but stay off their lawn.

/waiting for someone to call me an anti-semite
 
2012-01-12 04:33:54 PM  
Or Ariel Sharon, the butcher of Sabra and Shatilla.
 
2012-01-12 04:34:18 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: moops: Even more ironic that the heads of those Jewish terrorist groups became Prime Ministers of Israel.

And irony overload is that most prime ministers of Israel have been Atheists.


Not terribly ironic. Zionism as a cultural force tended to appeal to more secularized/reform-style members of the Jewish community for a long time. Participating in the 'historicity of being Jewish' was largely the role of Judaism for them.
 
2012-01-12 04:35:11 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Remember, these are the same ones that just did an ad campaign telling their citizens not to marry non-Jewish Americans.... since we are pretty much the mongrel scum of the earth. But it doesn't stop them from cashing our check or using our military equipment.



A million times this! I'm still furious about the way that Israel lied to me (and every other Jewish kid growing up in America during the '50s and '60s) about how we were donating 'trees' to Israel. Yeah, trees. All of Israel should like a farking rain forest by now. All out 'tree money' went to armaments.

It was just easier for the Israelis to lie to us.
 
2012-01-12 04:35:14 PM  
What a strange love that at its essence requires purity.
 
2012-01-12 04:35:36 PM  

bidness: All you morons braying about "a racist, apartheid state" should find out how Jews have been treated in most middle eastern countries, and you might understand why they want one state in the world where they're in the majority. And realize that most other states in the world were founded at least partially on an ethnic basis. "Democracy" isn't defined as "letting in so many foreigners and enemies that your native culture gets lost." Yeah, yeah, I already know what you're thinking. "You're not speaking Cherokee, blah blah blah, brown people." Maybe if the Native Americans had the knowledge, will and capacity to form an ethnic-based nation-state, they would have been able to resist the incursions of European outsiders.


hey, i may understand why they want it, it doesn't mean that they're not being assholes about it. the thing is, i don't care about either side. fark 'em both. you're right, nations and people can defend themselves however they want/need, but that doesn't mean they're not being douchenozzles sometimes when they do. nor does it mean america should support israel irregardless of their policies. if israel wants to be a bunch of nationalistic racist farks they can be, but i don't support them nor want my government to support them.

/no nation has a right to exist. so why are the israelis demanding that as a starting point?
//supporting israel is one of the root causes of our trouble in the middle east.
 
2012-01-12 04:36:10 PM  

Amos Quito: Cubansaltyballs: HotWingConspiracy: They've really just dropped all pretenses over there, eh?

What kind of god would put these right wing pigs in charge of anything?

Certainly not the God of the Torah.


Sarcasm?

Or never read the Torah?


Sarcasm.

Any God that says other people should be subjugated and treated like animals is NOT a god and is not worthy of worship.
 
2012-01-12 04:36:16 PM  
I believe Israel should exist like any other normal person does but some of these policies that Israel has are pretty disgusting and reprehensible and really makes you wonder if they used South Africa as a template for some of their laws.

How can people be ok with this?
 
2012-01-12 04:37:25 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: indylaw: Sincere question for someone knowledgeable of such things:

What is the legal distinction between an Arab citizen of Israel and a Palestinian Arab?

If they are not Jewish, and born anywhere, they are not a full citizen of Israel and are not permitted all the rights and protections of full citizens.

If they are Jewish, and born anywhere, they are a full citizen of Israel and are afforded all the rights and protections the sate can offer.


As far as I understand if you are born in Israel and are Arab (term used loosely) you are an Israeli citizen and have all the rights and protections there of (but are generally treated like blacks and mexicans here)

If you are arab and born in occupied terrirtory of somewhere else you are palastinian and can go fark yourself.
 
2012-01-12 04:37:59 PM  

Tatsuma: The responsibility for the existence of this conflict rests on their shoulders, and theirs only.


static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-01-12 04:40:08 PM  

topcon: Ironically while they demand that other countries INTEGRATE INTEGRATE INTEGRATE!

When are we going to stop sending these people money?



When much of the money we send them stops filtering back into the pockets of our politicians.

That's when.

zetar: Beaten by 6/10ths of a second!



/Shakes stateless fist
 
2012-01-12 04:40:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I believe Israel should exist like any other normal person does but some of these policies that Israel has are pretty disgusting and reprehensible and really makes you wonder if they used South Africa as a template for some of their laws.


Ironically it wasn't South Africa... They are trying to emulate the laws and practices of the country/regime that made it necessary for them to have their own state.

Now that Israel has decided that Arabs and non-Jews can't be citizens or have full rights, the next thing they'll do is say they can't own businesses, seize their property and deport them to their ghetto.

Just watch.
 
2012-01-12 04:41:55 PM  

yert: As far as I understand if you are born in Israel and are Arab (term used loosely) you are an Israeli citizen and have all the rights and protections there of (but are generally treated like blacks and mexicans here)

If you are arab and born in occupied terrirtory of somewhere else you are palastinian and can go fark yourself.


No.

Here's the decision tree:

Are you Jewish?

Yes -> Full rights and citizenship

No -> No rights and no citizenship
 
2012-01-12 04:42:47 PM  

Amos Quito: moops: Actual Farking: Also ironic is that Jewish resistance groups responded with terrorism.

Even more ironic that the heads of those Jewish terrorist groups became Prime Ministers of Israel.

[www.bollyn.com image 351x264]


The King David Hotel bombing was THE single deadliest terrorist attack ever committed in Palestine-cum-Israel.

Maybe they should ban Jews?


SHHHHH! It's not terrorism when the god of Abraham condones it, it 's only terrorism when the god of Mohamed does.
 
2012-01-12 04:42:48 PM  

zetar: Tatsuma: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's only terrorism when they do it.

When groups of Jews start blowing themselves off in buses or killing civilians intentionally, I'll call it terrorism as well.


The King David Hotel bombing (new window) was an attack carried out by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization Irgun on the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured.


Elie Wiesel wrote an outstanding novella, Dawn, about a holocaust survivor who joins Irgun and struggles with the morality of being a terrorist.

The historical irony is really sad and I wonder if Tatsuma would ever admit as much.
 
2012-01-12 04:43:32 PM  
I guess Israel learned more from the Jewish experience in WW2 then I previously thought.
 
2012-01-12 04:43:44 PM  

Tatsuma: Considering a fringe minority who will write graffiti on buildings, or set the occasional empty disused mosques on fire, versus shooting and killing innocents and blowing themselves up in buses, I'd say my fringe is not so bad.


What Tatsuma's fringe minority may look like:

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2012-01-12 04:43:53 PM  

Actual Farking: The historical irony is really sad and I wonder if Tatsuma would ever admit as much.


He won't admit it unless Arabs admit it first!!
 
2012-01-12 04:44:40 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: yert: As far as I understand if you are born in Israel and are Arab (term used loosely) you are an Israeli citizen and have all the rights and protections there of (but are generally treated like blacks and mexicans here)

If you are arab and born in occupied terrirtory of somewhere else you are palastinian and can go fark yourself.

No.

Here's the decision tree:

Are you Jewish?

Yes -> Full rights and citizenship

No -> No rights and no citizenship


you're wrong but keep farking that chicken
 
2012-01-12 04:45:31 PM  

El Pachuco: Tatsuma: Considering a fringe minority who will write graffiti on buildings, or set the occasional empty disused mosques on fire, versus shooting and killing innocents and blowing themselves up in buses, I'd say my fringe is not so bad.

What Tatsuma's fringe minority may look like:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 216x296][image1.findagrave.com image 181x245][upload.wikimedia.org image 220x248]


He's a habitual liar. I don't know how he gets away with it on here.
 
2012-01-12 04:45:58 PM  

yert: Jews (most of the) could care less about racial purity. What maters most is whether your mother was jewish


...sounds like racial purity to me.
 
2012-01-12 04:46:01 PM  

Tatsuma: hubiestubert: Tell me again how this paves the path towards reconcilliation and peace.,,

Tell me why we have to always be the only ones to do this



Who are the better people? .... Right! That's why.
 
2012-01-12 04:46:26 PM  

Jake Havechek: El Pachuco: Tatsuma: Considering a fringe minority who will write graffiti on buildings, or set the occasional empty disused mosques on fire, versus shooting and killing innocents and blowing themselves up in buses, I'd say my fringe is not so bad.

What Tatsuma's fringe minority may look like:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 216x296][image1.findagrave.com image 181x245][upload.wikimedia.org image 220x248]

He's a habitual liar. I don't know how he gets away with it on here.


He's the Chosen Farker.
 
2012-01-12 04:46:35 PM  

yert: you're wrong but keep farking that chicken


Ok...

Let's start here:

Can a non-Jew get married to a Jew in Israel ? Will the state recognize it as legal?

Can a non-Jew get married to a non-Jew in Israel? Will the state recognize it as legal?
 
2012-01-12 04:46:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
Jesus Christ on a stick, Israel threads never cease to amaze me in their ability to lure people in.
 
2012-01-12 04:47:50 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Mrtraveler01: I believe Israel should exist like any other normal person does but some of these policies that Israel has are pretty disgusting and reprehensible and really makes you wonder if they used South Africa as a template for some of their laws.

Ironically it wasn't South Africa... They are trying to emulate the laws and practices of the country/regime that made it necessary possible for them to have their own state.



Israel was in the works for decades before the Nazis came to power.

That said, Fark needs a HYPOCRISY tag.
 
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