The secret Muslim high-five is the one where you miss at the top, only to connect down low. It's pretty cool, actually.

sigdiamond2000: The secret Muslim high-five is the one where you miss at the top, only to connect down low. It's pretty cool, actually.

That's only the one that anyone ever sees. The real secret Muslim high-five is up high, down low, and right to the button on the suicide vest.
Right, Oklahoma?

A Muslim cutting off my hand for stealing in 3.....2.....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I hated this law. Voted against it. And I can't believe that people are worried that the Constitution will be subverted by religion. I say we propose a law saying using the Bible in the courts is a violation of the 1st Amendment and then having that approved. That'd be awesome.

Here's the funny thing: we already have something on the books that prevents such a thing. And it's exactly the thing that struck this piece of drek down. It's called the First Amendment.

We already have protections against religious laws being held in supremacy. Be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Buddhist even.

For folks who like to screech how much we need to follow the Constitution faithfully, there are a lot of folks who seem to have no faith in it whatsoever...

Oklahoma's "Save Our State Amendment," which was approved by 70 percent of state voters in 2010, bars Oklahoma state courts from considering or using Sharia law.

Really? You shiat-kickers have nothing better to worry about than Sharia Law being implemented in Oklahoma?

Lots of Fundamentalist Muslims living in Oklahoma these days?

Welcome to Obama's America.

You can have whatever law you want to have, as long as you don't do something that violates local, state, or federal laws. If you do that....I will find you...and I will kill you.

keylock71: Really? You shiat-kickers have nothing better to worry about than Sharia Law being implemented in Oklahoma?

They are just trying to save their state.

hubiestubert: For folks who like to screech how much we need to follow the Constitution faithfully, there are a lot of folks who seem to have no faith in it whatsoever...

That's the joke...

jeffspec: I hated this law. Voted against it. And I can't believe that people are worried that the Constitution will be subverted by religion. I say we propose a law saying using the Bible in the courts is a violation of the 1st Amendment and then having that approved. That'd be awesome.

I hate all unnecessary laws but unnecessary laws passed just to demonstrate bigotry are particularly offensive.

sigdiamond2000: The secret Muslim high-five is the one where you miss at the top, only to connect down low. It's pretty cool, actually.

i thought secret muslims fist bumped.

tallguywithglasseson: Welcome to Obama's America.

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That's right! In the GOP version of America, any constitutional right that makes us feel uneasy or nervous about our personal safety will be suppressed.

Take the judges from the court in Denver, and give them a one -way ticket to the middle east. Maybe they would feel more at home there. Like I said before, they made their ruling, now let them try to enforce it, and see how far they get with that.

CDP: Take the judges from the court in Denver, and give them a one -way ticket to the middle east. Maybe they would feel more at home there. Like I said before, they made their ruling, now let them try to enforce it, and see how far they get with that.

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The naivety you are trying to convey with this post is cute, if misguided.

mrshowrules: jeffspec: I hated this law. Voted against it. And I can't believe that people are worried that the Constitution will be subverted by religion. I say we propose a law saying using the Bible in the courts is a violation of the 1st Amendment and then having that approved. That'd be awesome.

I hate all unnecessary laws but unnecessary laws passed just to demonstrate bigotry are particularly offensive.

Well its all judicial and legislative theatre. I just want to be able to have people look at themselves through other people and say, "wow, that was not cool." Then again, I use to have high hopes for humanity....

Lucky LaRue: CDP: Take the judges from the court in Denver, and give them a one -way ticket to the middle east. Maybe they would feel more at home there. Like I said before, they made their ruling, now let them try to enforce it, and see how far they get with that.

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The naivety you are trying to convey with this post is cute, if misguided.

Its also real.

Well, its not really CDP. His schtick is to pull quotes from Free Republic and post them with pictures of exploding eagles like the magnificently sparkly abomination you see before you. So anyway, yeah. That's a real quote.

I read the article, but this still makes no sense to me. Can someone give me the background behind this article and ruling and explain why this is important...please?

You people laugh, but it's absolute hell down here in Sharia Oklahoma. Between the death squads and the morality police stoning women to death for showing ankles, I don't know how any of us have survived. I- hold on a second... ALLAHU AKBAR! Whew, that was close. We have to say that instead of Boomer Sooner now. If anyone wants to arm themselves and come down here, I promise we'll greet you as liberators. We'll even let you pull down the statue of Billy Sims if it makes you feel better.

Endive Wombat: I read the article, but this still makes no sense to me. Can someone give me the background behind this article and ruling and explain why this is important...please?

In Europe, Sharia Law is taking over their normal laws - so things like honor killings, forced female circumcision and forcing women to wear burkas are the norm in all of Europe.
In America, after Barack Hussein Obama was elected president, Muslims started getting the idea that they can do it here as well, their first target was Oklahoma. Some very brave legislators decided to put a stop to it, and put it to a vote. The patriotic citizens of Oklahoma passed it by an overwhelming margin to make it against their state constitution to be forced into Sharia Law.
So of course the Obama administration stepped in and blocked their states rights.
Why is this important? Because Oklahoma is only the first step. Welcome to the caliphate.

You're welcome.

It always amusing to me that most right-wingers have this uber-manly image of themselves, but they give in to pants-wetting fear at the drop of a hat.

"Save our State"? Really? Christian outnumber any other religion in the state by at least 10-1 but letting a Muslim practice what he believes puts your entire state at risk"?

mmmm-hmmmm time to man up and put on your big-boy pants if you all want to live in a free society

Wouldn't Sharia law itself be unconstitutional, yet here its ban is halted by the constitution. RABBIT HOLE.

tallguywithglasseson: honor killings, forced female circumcision and forcing women to wear burkas

Ok...but...

Murder is already illegal in the US and every state, killing someone for any reason other than self defense, is illegal.

As for female circumcision, is that really a problem in the US? Is it performed in hospitals in the US? I cannot imagine any US doctor, cosmetic, OB/GYN or general surgeon agreeing to a "surgery" like that. If it is performed in a "back alley" so to speak, I would think it is still illegal - wouldn't that fall under malicious wounding and practicing surgery without a license (cosmetic surgery)?

Finally, making your spouse or child adhere to customary dress is hardly illegal, silly and opressive perhaps, but not illegal.

As for this becoming popular in Europe...while I am not an expert on European law...I imagine murder and malicious wounding and practicing medicine without a license are frowned upon just as harshly as in the US.

I bet most of the rednecks that voted for this law would be glad to see certain moral tenets of the Christian faith given the force of law, and punishable in the courts.

If only there were a name for such a system of law based upon the moral tenets of a religion.

Endive Wombat: Murder is already illegal in the US and every state, killing someone for any reason other than self defense, is illegal.

Except in Oklahoma, where they live under Sharia Law, like in all of Europe.

I'm pretty sure that a judge can consider anything he or she damn well pleases.

But if they want to get this past SCOTUS they will have to ban all religious doctrine, not just a specific religion.

tallguywithglasseson: Endive Wombat: Murder is already illegal in the US and every state, killing someone for any reason other than self defense, is illegal.

Except in Oklahoma, where they live under Sharia Law, like in all of Europe.

I know you are using hyperbole here...but, I am curious if this will be tested.

hubiestubert: Here's the funny thing: we already have something on the books that prevents such a thing. And it's exactly the thing that struck this piece of drek down. It's called the First Amendment.

We already have protections against religious laws being held in supremacy. Be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Buddhist even.

For folks who like to screech how much we need to follow the Constitution faithfully, there are a lot of folks who seem to have no faith clue about what's in it whatsoever...

FTFY

Asa Phelps: I'm pretty sure that a judge can consider anything he or she damn well pleases.

But if they want to get this past SCOTUS they will have to ban all religious doctrine, not just a specific religion.

Would be delicious if this somehow came back to bite Christians in the ass.

jeffspec: And I can't believe that people are worried that the Constitution will be subverted by religion Islam

They don't seem to mind if the religion in question is Christianity...

Endive Wombat: tallguywithglasseson: Endive Wombat: Murder is already illegal in the US and every state, killing someone for any reason other than self defense, is illegal.

Except in Oklahoma, where they live under Sharia Law, like in all of Europe.

I know you are using hyperbole here...but, I am curious if this will be tested.

You mean you're curious if someone will honor kill a relative and attempt to use sharia law as a defense? I'm not sure why you'd be curious about that. The answer is "only if their lawyer is retarded", and the outcome of the test is obvious.

Cool!

Now could someone help me out. I forgot how big a stick I can beat my wife with?

Meanwhile, all 12 Muslim's in Oklahoma are celebrating.

tallguywithglasseson: Endive Wombat: tallguywithglasseson: Endive Wombat: Murder is already illegal in the US and every state, killing someone for any reason other than self defense, is illegal.

Except in Oklahoma, where they live under Sharia Law, like in all of Europe.

I know you are using hyperbole here...but, I am curious if this will be tested.

You mean you're curious if someone will honor kill a relative and attempt to use sharia law as a defense? I'm not sure why you'd be curious about that. The answer is "only if their lawyer is retarded", and the outcome of the test is obvious.

A guy tried it in Buffalo and guess what? He went to prison. Cut off his wife's head.

Paris1127: jeffspec: And I can't believe that people are worried that the Constitution will be subverted by religion Islam

They don't seem to mind if the religion in question is Christianity...

I think that's my biggest complaint: the huge double standard that no one can seem to grasp. "It is expected when we do it; but if anyone else does it its an affront to the American Way!" (see Hoffstadter's Paranoid Style of American Politics).

This an outrage!! Oklahommans are only weeks - maybe days - away from being subjected to sharia law!!1!

hubiestubert: Here's the funny thing: we already have something on the books that prevents such a thing. And it's exactly the thing that struck this piece of drek down. It's called the First Amendment.

We already have protections against religious laws being held in supremacy. Be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Buddhist even.

For folks who like to screech how much we need to follow the Constitution faithfully, there are a lot of folks who seem to have no faith in it whatsoever...

As I see it, this "Sharia law" that Muslims would be practicing are, at best, civil "laws" that really amount to nothing more than (for example) bylaws at your local Elks club. Or your employee handbook where you work. You're allowed to have rules within organizations, as long as you remember that municipal, state and federal laws trump them.

cameroncrazy1984: A guy tried it in Buffalo and guess what? He went to prison. Cut off his wife's head.

See you'd think there wouldn't be that many people retarded enough to believe crap like "Sharia law will overrule criminal law", but apparently it's 70% of Oklahoma plus one BillCo.

//unless he's in Oklahoma

I still say that if you made the responsible law makers that push these bills accountable personally for the legal fees to defend these bills, a bunch of this crap would stop.

Is this an example of the oppression that Christians have been whining about?

Lionel Mandrake: Is this an example of the oppression that Christians have been whining about?

They are oppressing Christians rights to make unnecessary bigoted laws against other religions.

Endive Wombat: As for this becoming popular in Europe...while I am not an expert on European law...I imagine murder and malicious wounding and practicing medicine without a license are frowned upon just as harshly as in the US.

The argument is that they would institute Sharia Law as somehow above the federal, state, & local laws on the account of religious freedom, even though, I do believe that that is already accounted for in the US Constitution. You can't murder someone and claim religious freedom for it. That's already in there. You are free to practice your religion within the confines of existing law.

Also, I was told by supporters of the law that someone had already tried to pass Sharia Law & it failed, but they couldn't risk it going through in the future. I was stunned when I heard this, so I didn't respond (me, speechless, off the charts weird). However, I should've pointed out that 0.6% of the population is Muslim, so I'm not sure how they would get their religious laws passed with 0.6% of the vote and that's assuming that all Muslims were on board with it.

It really is absurd, this imaginary hate-battle raging between Muslims & Christians. YOU ARE THE SAME THING WITH DIFFERENT NAMES

xanadian: hubiestubert: Here's the funny thing: we already have something on the books that prevents such a thing. And it's exactly the thing that struck this piece of drek down. It's called the First Amendment.

We already have protections against religious laws being held in supremacy. Be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Buddhist even.

For folks who like to screech how much we need to follow the Constitution faithfully, there are a lot of folks who seem to have no faith in it whatsoever...

As I see it, this "Sharia law" that Muslims would be practicing are, at best, civil "laws" that really amount to nothing more than (for example) bylaws at your local Elks club. Or your employee handbook where you work. You're allowed to have rules within organizations, as long as you remember that municipal, state and federal laws trump them.

The only actual practical detrimental effect this law might conceiveably have had would have been on the rulings issued by Muslim religious courts in which believers had previously agreed to settle their disputes. Several religions, most notably several orthodox Jewish sects, and the AMish (though IIRC there are several others I'm forgetting) maintain private courts which their flocks can access to settle disputes since there are religious prohibitions about believers suing each other in civil, secular courts.

Since everyone agree to bring hte disoute in that forum, regular courts tend to view rulings issued from them in the same way they'd treat the ruling from a binding arbitration (see yesterday's thread on the Federal Arbitration Act for details) and they won't re-open it, and will enforce it if asked.

This law could have had the effect of barring judgments from Muslim (Sharia) courts from being so treated while still allowing it for ones from Rabbinic and other private religious courts. As the court recognized, that would be a clear violation of the Establishmnet and Free Exercise clauses of the 1st Amendment

Consideration of Sharia law would be used by the courts, I would imagine, primarily for stuff like divorces (i.e. if two people from a country with Sharia law gets married, the first step to determine if there is a divorce would be, I'm guessing, determining whether they're actually married) or for consideration of private arbitration done through Sharia courts.

That's not the important part, though. The important part of the Oklahoma law is that it basically makes it impossible for Oklahomans and Oklahoma entities to enter into an international contracts and still expect it to be enforced (as intended by the parties) in Oklahoma. The problem with the law is that it's just plain anti-business.