So...he's the bizzarro Tebow?

lol, go clippers

LeBron's "crab dribble" travel that the refs refuse to call (new window)

Thats 6-8 steps taken.

redmond24: LeBron's "crab dribble" travel that the refs refuse to call (new window)

Thats 6-8 steps taken.

I counted 5. :P

Also, Jordan got away with it all the time too.

redmond24: LeBron's "crab dribble" travel that the refs refuse to call (new window)

Thats 6-8 steps taken.

Damn! LeBron James traveled more than McCainDemocrat.

BULLS > heat

redmond24: LeBron's "crab dribble" travel that the refs refuse to call (new window)

Thats 6-8 steps taken.

Ralph Lawler damn near had an aneurism when that happened

redmond24: LeBron's "crab dribble" travel that the refs refuse to call (new window)

Thats 6-8 steps taken.

More importantly, he established one pivot foot (right) and then pivoted on the other (left). And even if you accept that the left foot is the pivot foot, he slid it. Again, clearly a traveling violation.

Bad missed call.

/Refs miss 5-6 traveling calls in every game, at all levels

My father-in-law plays golf with one of the Lebron's high school coaches.

Assessment - dumb as a rock and entitled as hell.

Sounds like things don't change.

I have Nuggets-Heat tickets for tomorrow night. WOO!

I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

You know I was tempted to submit a "LeBron James is in postseason form" snark headline but I tired of it most of the way through.

kingflower: BULLS > heat

Yeah, they were last year too in the Eastern Conference Finals and Lebron was not clutch at all during that series.

/what you are smoking
//I wants some

mikaloyd: Franco: I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

And this is because of LeBron?

C'mon man

Well technically it was Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

The only other "big three" before now was Garnett, Pierce and Allen. They all came through trades and re-signing.

LeWaSh all conspired to do this together. This angered the majority of fan bases. I don't agree with that anger personally. Players can do whatever they want IMO when it comes to figuring out where they want to play. The fact is they DID piss off the small market fan bases and they ARE inspiring teams that can to try and mimic what they did personel wise.

I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

I'm a Bulls fan, but even I think the Heat will take the occasional night off. They're playing for the playoffs, not for an undefeated season.

Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Franco: I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

And this is because of LeBron?

C'mon man

Well technically it was Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

The only other "big three" before now was Garnett, Pierce and Allen. They all came through trades and re-signing.

LeWaSh all conspired to do this together. This angered the majority of fan bases. I don't agree with that anger personally. Players can do whatever they want IMO when it comes to figuring out where they want to play. The fact is they DID piss off the small market fan bases and they ARE inspiring teams that can to try and mimic what they did personel wise.

I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

Rubio's an average NBA point guard at the 10-game mark in his career. He's going to be great...whether he stay with the Wolves to do so is most of the problem (K-Love as well).

Jim from Saint Paul: I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

The fact that you think the Timberwolves have a plan proves how far off the reservation your assessment of the NBA is.

Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Franco: I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

And this is because of LeBron?

C'mon man

Well technically it was Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

The only other "big three" before now was Garnett, Pierce and Allen. They all came through trades and re-signing.

LeWaSh all conspired to do this together. This angered the majority of fan bases. I don't agree with that anger personally. Players can do whatever they want IMO when it comes to figuring out where they want to play. The fact is they DID piss off the small market fan bases and they ARE inspiring teams that can to try and mimic what they did personel wise.

I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

The Heat traded for Bosh and James, too. And Wade re-signed. So, there's that.

Also, saying the Timberpups are doing anything like that is pretty stoopid.

What I'm saying is 0/10.

Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Franco: I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

And this is because of LeBron?

C'mon man

Well technically it was Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

The only other "big three" before now was Garnett, Pierce and Allen. They all came through trades and re-signing.

LeWaSh all conspired to do this together. This angered the majority of fan bases. I don't agree with that anger personally. Players can do whatever they want IMO when it comes to figuring out where they want to play. The fact is they DID piss off the small market fan bases and they ARE inspiring teams that can to try and mimic what they did personel wise.

I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

Maybe the only one called such.. What was Jordan/Pippen/Rodman if not a "big 3"? Shaq/Malone/Payton/Kobe predated the "big 3" but was essentially the same thing: get aging probable future hall of famers together(more likely with all 4 of those than all 3 of the celtics, imho) who haven't won a ring to actually win a ring. The only thing that's really new is the coined term.

What you can say is new is players conspiring with one another to be free agents at the same time in order to force the market in a certain direction. You don't see this in any other major american sport.

mc_madness: My father-in-law plays golf with one of the Lebron's high school coaches.

Assessment - dumb as a rock and entitled as hell.

Sounds like things don't change.

Is this a thing now?

bigmattress:

The Heat traded for Bosh and James, too. And Wade re-signed. So, there's that.

Also, saying the Timberpups are doing anything like that is pretty stoopid.

What I'm saying is 0/10.

um, what? Unless that whole "the Decision" fiasco was just a bad acid trip, both came to Miami through free agency.

/not that it really matters how they all got there, but for the sake of accuracy dammit!

CityExile: bigmattress:

The Heat traded for Bosh and James, too. And Wade re-signed. So, there's that.

Also, saying the Timberpups are doing anything like that is pretty stoopid.

What I'm saying is 0/10.

um, what? Unless that whole "the Decision" fiasco was just a bad acid trip, both came to Miami through free agency.

/not that it really matters how they all got there, but for the sake of accuracy dammit!

Technically no. They were sign and trades. You get more money and more years on a max contract if you sign with the same team, so free agents got around it by forcing teams to do a sign and trade.

bhcompy: CityExile: bigmattress:

The Heat traded for Bosh and James, too. And Wade re-signed. So, there's that.

Also, saying the Timberpups are doing anything like that is pretty stoopid.

What I'm saying is 0/10.

um, what? Unless that whole "the Decision" fiasco was just a bad acid trip, both came to Miami through free agency.

/not that it really matters how they all got there, but for the sake of accuracy dammit!

Technically no. They were sign and trades. You get more money and more years on a max contract if you sign with the same team, so free agents got around it by forcing teams to do a sign and trade.

Ah, my mistake, I had completely blocked that from my memory. Carry on then!

bhcompy: CityExile: bigmattress:

The Heat traded for Bosh and James, too. And Wade re-signed. So, there's that.

Also, saying the Timberpups are doing anything like that is pretty stoopid.

What I'm saying is 0/10.

um, what? Unless that whole "the Decision" fiasco was just a bad acid trip, both came to Miami through free agency.

/not that it really matters how they all got there, but for the sake of accuracy dammit!

Technically no. They were sign and trades. You get more money and more years on a max contract if you sign with the same team, so free agents got around it by forcing teams to do a sign and trade.

Thank you. Facts are kind of important when it comes to building an argument.

/um, yes

I ask LeBron if he could make change for a dollar but he was only able to give me 3 quarters.

bhcompy: Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Franco: I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

And this is because of LeBron?

C'mon man

Well technically it was Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

The only other "big three" before now was Garnett, Pierce and Allen. They all came through trades and re-signing.

LeWaSh all conspired to do this together. This angered the majority of fan bases. I don't agree with that anger personally. Players can do whatever they want IMO when it comes to figuring out where they want to play. The fact is they DID piss off the small market fan bases and they ARE inspiring teams that can to try and mimic what they did personel wise.

I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

Maybe the only one called such.. What was Jordan/Pippen/Rodman if not a "big 3"? Shaq/Malone/Payton/Kobe predated the "big 3" but was essentially the same thing: get aging probable future hall of famers together(more likely with all 4 of those than all 3 of the celtics, imho) who haven't won a ring to actually win a ring. The only thing that's really new is the coined term.

What you can say is new is players conspiring with one another to be free agents at the same time in order to force the market in a certain direction. You don't see this in any other major american sport.

Not even, that term is so old. Maybe Jim's point was that Boston had the only notable Big 3 in the league at the time

Jim from Saint Paul: redmond24: LeBron's "crab dribble" travel that the refs refuse to call (new window)

Thats 6-8 steps taken.

I counted 5. :P

Also, Jordan got away with it all the time too.

All the stars get away with something. Kobe slaps the hands of his defenders when he goes off the dribbler. That's an offensive foul, but it's almost never called. Shaq would travel by picking up his pivot foot a lot, but b/c he's so fat, you'd watch him legs up to see how he would plow over people. Because Yao was such a big guy, refs would allow smaller players to slap and hit at his hands without calling fouls.

The main difference with Lebron and others is that he's doing the cupid shuffle, and it's not like it's hard to miss, it has its own name now!

FinFangFark: Jim from Saint Paul: redmond24: LeBron's "crab dribble" travel that the refs refuse to call (new window)

Thats 6-8 steps taken.

I counted 5. :P

Also, Jordan got away with it all the time too.

All the stars get away with something. Kobe slaps the hands of his defenders when he goes off the dribbler. That's an offensive foul, but it's almost never called. Shaq would travel by picking up his pivot foot a lot, but b/c he's so fat, you'd watch him legs up to see how he would plow over people. Because Yao was such a big guy, refs would allow smaller players to slap and hit at his hands without calling fouls.

The main difference with Lebron and others is that he's doing the cupid shuffle, and it's not like it's hard to miss, it has its own name now!

The difference, of course, is that in this game the Heat were on the road and it was the home team all stars(Paul and Billups, mostly) getting called for tickytack fouls(particularly the one where Billups tried to draw contact on the three by sticking his foot out and touching the defender[wasn't an offensive or defensive foul despite being called an offensive foul])

FinFangFark: Because Yao was such a big guy, refs would allow smaller players to slap and hit at his hands without calling fouls.

This was true of Shaq too. There were tons of times when someone was trying to keep him from backing into the paint by leaning into his back and/or elbowing him in the kidneys. It's the flipside of him running people over, normal PF/Cs would hit him hard but he could absorb it because he's so big.

IAmRight: redmond24: LeBron's "crab dribble" travel that the refs refuse to call (new window)

Thats 6-8 steps taken.

Well, it's also a foul on the guy jumping on him after two steps.

Been posting it on FB, LeBron haters guide:

feel free to copy/paste whichever applies to each given game: LeBron makes critical free throws: "Refs bailed him out!" LeBron misses critical free throws or shot: "HAHA choke!" LeBron passes game winner (regardless of whether player makes it or not): "Oh, he scared!" LeBron makes game-winner: "OHHHHH, Mr. January!"(alternately, don't post. If anyone says anything, then say "can't be clutch in January")

Because Lebron has never disappeared late in games outside of January. Don't you ever get tired of making excuses for your hero? With how often he chokes it must be a full time job

Cleveland should consider themselves lucky that this clown took his choking ways to South Beach before he could embarrass us any further. Besides, we were richly rewarded with the #1 pick and the greatness that is Kyrie Irving, and his running mate Tristan Thompson. We are in good stead now, and, with another high pick next year and cap space for a max contract, we'll be up in Lebron's face in the playoffs soon enough.

Damn you people are still bitter

bigmattress: Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Franco: I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

And this is because of LeBron?

C'mon man

Well technically it was Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

The only other "big three" before now was Garnett, Pierce and Allen. They all came through trades and re-signing.

LeWaSh all conspired to do this together. This angered the majority of fan bases. I don't agree with that anger personally. Players can do whatever they want IMO when it comes to figuring out where they want to play. The fact is they DID piss off the small market fan bases and they ARE inspiring teams that can to try and mimic what they did personel wise.

I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

The Heat traded for Bosh and James, too. And Wade re-signed. So, there's that.

Also, saying the Timberpups are doing anything like that is pretty stoopid.

What I'm saying is 0/10.

There's a HUGE difference between BOS trades (Garnett did not immediately agree to re-sign and actually wanted to go to LA. Allen they simply traded for) and MIA where the players conspired to force the trades or leave their teams with nothing to show for it.

JonPace: Because Lebron has never disappeared late in games outside of January. Don't you ever get tired of making excuses for your hero? With how often he chokes it must be a full time job

This is the same guy who dragged an otherwise lottery-bound Cavs team to the finals, including winning a game where the rest of his team combined for 0 points in two overtimes.

He was really bad in the finals last year, but the 'choke' thing is overblown.

JonPace: Because Lebron has never disappeared late in games outside of January. Don't you ever get tired of making excuses for your hero? With how often he chokes it must be a full time job

Nah, he's got time for many concurrent sports-related "causes".

bigmattress: Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Franco: I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

And this is because of LeBron?

C'mon man

Well technically it was Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

The only other "big three" before now was Garnett, Pierce and Allen. They all came through trades and re-signing.

LeWaSh all conspired to do this together. This angered the majority of fan bases. I don't agree with that anger personally. Players can do whatever they want IMO when it comes to figuring out where they want to play. The fact is they DID piss off the small market fan bases and they ARE inspiring teams that can to try and mimic what they did personel wise.

I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

The Heat traded for Bosh and James, too. And Wade re-signed. So, there's that.

Also, saying the Timberpups are doing anything like that is pretty stoopid.

What I'm saying is 0/10.

I forgot about Bosh, so I was wrong there. I also negelted to mention the Heat drafted Wade.

Lebron wasn't traded for. You don't do "The Decision" and get the NBA universe angry at you for being TRADED.

So my point there is not as solid as I thought it was.

And the Twolves are DESPERATLEY trying to do something like that. They just have sucked at it since Kahn came around. If Rubio pans out then he and Love will be a nice 1 -2 punch. Kahn gets credit for Rubio at the very least.

I was not trolling. I was just wrong in how I said the current heat roster came about. My bad,

oMaJoJ: bhcompy: Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Franco: I have to say that LeBron moving to Miami was so good for the league in general. Everyone else stepped up their game (apart from the after thought teams like Toronto) so well. Knicks, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Thunder, Sixers, and so on are so much better now. It started this cold war with the big and growing markets and the fan's are benefiting with a much more interesting games to watch now.

And this is because of LeBron?

C'mon man

Well technically it was Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

The only other "big three" before now was Garnett, Pierce and Allen. They all came through trades and re-signing.

LeWaSh all conspired to do this together. This angered the majority of fan bases. I don't agree with that anger personally. Players can do whatever they want IMO when it comes to figuring out where they want to play. The fact is they DID piss off the small market fan bases and they ARE inspiring teams that can to try and mimic what they did personel wise.

I mean even the Timberwolves bobos are trying to have 1 3 headed monster. Of course so far, they have 1 and maybe a half IF the Rubio kid pans out. Point remains, even the dregs of the NBA are trying to mimic the Heat in a way that they never tried to mimic Boston.

Maybe the only one called such.. What was Jordan/Pippen/Rodman if not a "big 3"? Shaq/Malone/Payton/Kobe predated the "big 3" but was essentially the same thing: get aging probable future hall of famers together(more likely with all 4 of those than all 3 of the celtics, imho) who haven't won a ring to actually win a ring. The only thing that's really new is the coined term.

What you can say is new is players conspiring with one another to be free agents at the same time in order to force the market in a certain direction. You don't see this in any other major american sport.

Not even, that term is so old. Maybe Jim's point was that Boston had the only notable Big 3 in the league at the time

No. I was just wrong. Forgot about the Lakers there. I want to automatically discount Rodman as being a big 3 caliber player... yet as I type this it sounds stupid to say that since he's in the HoF.

Pretty much my point sucked about the Heat. My T-wolves take still stands though!

tallguywithglasseson: Jim from Saint Paul: Lebron wasn't traded for. You don't do "The Decision" and get the NBA universe angry at you for being TRADED.

Technically he was traded, but it was more like trade rape.

Heat gave the Cavs two first round picks and two second round picks, as well as a trade exception. Not a trade they wanted to make, and not a good deal for them.
Perhaps if he hadn't have "decisioned" them they could have worked something out like N.O. did with Paul, or better example, what Denver did with Anthony (where Anthony was demanding to be traded to a specific team).

So, he's technically (the best kind of) correct in that it was a "trade", but really, it was in essence a free agency forced trade, and he pretty much crapped on the Cavs with how he handled it.

Technically, I don't give a shiat. ;)

As I said above:

Pretty much my point sucked about the Heat. My T-wolves take still stands though!