It's almost as if Jimmy Carter was on to something when he tried to lead us to energy independence.

/truly... history's greatest monster

So we're already setting the stage for Union to go to war with the Human Reform League? Well, that's great, and me without my giant robot.

Energy Wars?

pew pew!

The "Energy War", such as it may be, must be a Cold War by definition. Fighting a hot war would be self-defeating, as it would simply consume whatever energy gains might be gotten through victory.

Please subby, the Caspian Sea is south of Kazakhstan and west of the Aral Sea. It was a central location in which the Russian Empire annexed most of central Asia during the Great Game. Everyone knows that.

What about the Water Wars I've been hearing so much about? Those sound like more fun than Energy Wars.

It will be funny if Vietnam and the US become BFF for geopolitical reasons.

Lost Thought 00: The "Energy War", such as it may be, must be a Cold War by definition. Fighting a hot war would be self-defeating, as it would simply consume whatever energy gains might be gotten through victory.

That has never stopped anyone in a resource war, not in the whole of human history.

Oh yeh? Well what about the Storage Wars I keep hearing about on TV? Last I checked they had made it to Texas, so practically American soil.

bidness: What about the Water Wars I've been hearing so much about? Those sound like more fun than Energy Wars.

Not really that much fun.

Regarding the South China Sea, it must be remembered that historically, for thousands of years, the Chinese have essentially sucked at offensive war.

They even got their butts kicked by the Vietnamese after the Vietnam War.

A Dark Evil Omen: Lost Thought 00: The "Energy War", such as it may be, must be a Cold War by definition. Fighting a hot war would be self-defeating, as it would simply consume whatever energy gains might be gotten through victory.

That has never stopped anyone in a resource war, not in the whole of human history.

True that

Lost Thought 00: The "Energy War", such as it may be, must be a Cold War by definition. Fighting a hot war would be self-defeating, as it would simply consume whatever energy gains might be gotten through victory.

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

A Dark Evil Omen: That has never stopped anyone in a resource war, not in the whole of human history.

And then this occurred to me.

the South China Sea has been transformed into a cockpit of international friction.

Interacial orgy vids?

That guy's blog sucks even worse than the usual Fark fare.

Those are where we landed the shuttles during the Apollo program, before China stole them all.

theorellior: couldn't find Afghanistan or Iraq on a map if you offered sixty dollars and a handjob.

well its not a particularly good deal. Who is giving it? and $60 dollars covers like 3 tanks of gas for my corrolla or perhaps a few months of star wars the old republic. If that is incentive it is sorely lacking.

theorellior: Never underestimate the geographic illiteracy of the American population, subby. Probably half the people you meet on the street couldn't find Afghanistan or Iraq on a map if you offered sixty dollars and a handjob, and we've been there for ten years.

Damn, that's one leisurely handjob.

omnibus_necanda_sunt: God dammit, it never ends, this shiat.

Actually it would end just fine if we demonstrated as a society that we gave a sh*t about renewable energy and learned to consume less.

What a Fark couch potato imagines he looks like. Who has the energy.

Reading this bellicose crap makes me happy that I have dual citizenship USA/Brazil. Let the locals fight it out and buy from the winner IMHO.

/outta this place first sign of real crazy going down.

Like this is news. Iraq and Afghanistan is all about keeping oil out of China's hands. Care to guess who Iran's only oil customer is?

Learn to read between the lines.

I think Americans are more likely to almost notice the crunchy bit that used to be Canada as they fight for control of the soon to be available arctic resources. Turns out there's a lot of gas and oil up there that will be available as soon as the ice melts.

Cheers.

/less than amused Canuck

Gergesa: It will be funny if Vietnam and the US become BFF for geopolitical reasons.

Somehow I don't think Vietnam vets or the families of the names on The Wall will enjoy a Chinese invasion of Vietnam. Back in the Sixties some people pointed out it was an oil war, but they were labeled Crazy Hippies.
The Gulf of Tonkin "incident" was just as much a lie as was WMD in Iraq, the former provided by Democrats and the later by Republicans.

theorellior: Never underestimate the geographic illiteracy of the American population, subby. Probably half the people you meet on the street couldn't find Afghanistan or Iraq on a map if you offered sixty dollars and a handjob, and we've been there for ten years.

"Well, sir, I reckon that that right thurr is Eye-rak and that right thurr is Affganustan."

"You just pointed at France and Washington State."

"Shoot, I dunno much about them furrin countries."

What the coming energy war might look like:

bidness: Water

The coming water wars in the US Southwest are going to be ugly, gruesome messes. Fortunately (or not depending on PoV) they'll be fought mostly in courtrooms, and back-office dealings. There may be some small arms actions as little people, especially in California) are farked over by the changing of contracts that were initially written when places like Phoenix and Las Vegas were not so big, or barely existent. A few California farmers or ranchers will sit by gates or gage stations with 30-30s and scream about it but life is tough. That state, and especially that shiat-hole Los Angeles, farked over a lot of California, and nearby states, to get what they've become accustomed to (Mono Lake/Eastern side Sierras) and are going to hate life when it changes. I've read Southern California is eyeing watershed areas of the Trinity river near Humboldt. When you go that far to obtain water for your population, you either built in the wrong place, or invited too many people to the party.

The Caspian sea is a central asia, bordered by Iran, Russia, and a bunch of ex-Soviet countries - Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, IIRC.

The South China Sea is the sea between the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia, and a small piece of China.

Europa Universalis 3 and Victoria 2 are great ways to learn geography and/or live out world domination fantasies. Though one does have to catch themselves before talking about states like the Nogai Horde and Champa as though they still exist.

Lost Thought 00: The "Energy War", such as it may be, must be a Cold War by definition. Fighting a hot war would be self-defeating, as it would simply consume whatever energy gains might be gotten through victory.

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a wind turbine stamping on a human face - forever.

/Energy Storage Pawn Wars, now on the A&E LIFETIME of DISCOVERY of HISTORY CHANNEL

itwasabright: If you want a vision of the future, imagine a wind turbine stamping on a human face - forever.

As long as it's some oil-drinking ant-renewables Republican's face, I don't mind. I

rudemix: When you go that far to obtain water for your population, you either built in the wrong place, or invited too many people to the party.

But don't you dare talk about controlling immigration levels. That would be racist.

bidness: rudemix: When you go that far to obtain water for your population, you either built in the wrong place, or invited too many people to the party.

But don't you dare talk about controlling immigration levels. That would be racist.

It is if you're implying that them dirty Messicans are using up all our water in the SW.

theorellior: rudemix:Paolo Bacigalupi hada short story about that in his collection "Pump Six".

I'll have to look it up. The book Cadillac Desert is a very compelling read, and if it is to be taken wholly, or even partially, correct, the water situation in the S.W. will get pretty crazy when the riparian contracts in place now expire.