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2012-01-12 10:17:38 AM
Ryanair will be the first airline to do this.
 
2012-01-12 10:34:48 AM
"I think it's discriminatory that people who watch their weight actually have to pay a higher airfare because of people who are overweight."

Discrimination is when everyone is treated equally. Got it.


/Luckily for me, the American bell curve is absurdly high.
 
2012-01-12 10:54:01 AM
www.sectalk.com
 
2012-01-12 11:36:44 AM
Obvious:

Do midgets get a discount? What about kids?
 
2012-01-12 12:04:00 PM
The_Sponge: What about kids?

Airlines could put them in big hamster wheels and use them to power the engines
 
2012-01-12 12:06:09 PM
Aar1012: The_Sponge: What about kids?

Airlines could put them in big hamster wheels and use them to power the engines



I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2012-01-12 12:15:57 PM
Just use the big luggage scales at check-in.

Every passenger stands on the scales, with all their luggage, and gets charged on a sliding-scale basis.

Bonus - more revenue for the food service operations in the airports, since folks will do like boxers and wrestlers; starve themselves before the weigh-in, then gorge.
 
2012-01-12 12:17:12 PM
I hope they do this. It is ridiculous that my carryon bag weighing 1lbs over the limit results in an extra fee but a person can weigh 300lbs and pay the same fare.
 
2012-01-12 12:21:17 PM
Sybarite: [www.sectalk.com image 460x288]

I thought Limbaugh had his own private jet?
 
2012-01-12 12:29:30 PM
FrancoFile: Just use the big luggage scales at check-in.

Every passenger stands on the scales, with all their luggage, and gets charged on a sliding-scale basis.

Bonus - more revenue for the food service operations in the airports, since folks will do like boxers and wrestlers; starve themselves before the weigh-in, then gorge.


I like it.
 
2012-01-12 12:29:41 PM
If someone physically takes up the space of two people then that person should pay for the extra space.
 
2012-01-12 12:38:12 PM
What's the cutoff? Because if I was in tremendous shape (and I'm not), I still wouldn't clear 200. I guess it's not enough that I have limited clothing selections.
 
2012-01-12 12:40:54 PM
FrancoFile: Just use the big luggage scales at check-in.

Every passenger stands on the scales, with all their luggage, and gets charged on a sliding-scale basis.


That's discriminatory towards men.
 
2012-01-12 12:43:16 PM
Ya, I weigh 350lbs but only have 5% body fat because I'm eight feet tall and won the world's strongest man competition two years ago. Why should I be penalized for how awesome I am?
 
2012-01-12 12:43:42 PM
Shaggy_C: FrancoFile: Just use the big luggage scales at check-in.

Every passenger stands on the scales, with all their luggage, and gets charged on a sliding-scale basis.

That's discriminatory towards men.


How about instead of per person you pay per pound. Heavy people cost more to fly why not charge them more?
 
2012-01-12 12:46:27 PM
Pincy: Ya, I weigh 350lbs but only have 5% body fat because I'm eight feet tall and won the world's strongest man competition two years ago. Why should I be penalized for how awesome I am?

You sound fat, Magnus Magnuson.
 
2012-01-12 12:47:42 PM
Would this equally apply to those who are tall, thus having more mass and those who are just overweight?
 
2012-01-12 12:48:30 PM
Uzzah: Pincy: Ya, I weigh 350lbs but only have 5% body fat because I'm eight feet tall and won the world's strongest man competition two years ago. Why should I be penalized for how awesome I am?

You sound fat, Magnus ver Magnuson.


i am assuming you are talking abotu the strong man.
 
2012-01-12 12:50:09 PM
Shaggy_C: FrancoFile: Just use the big luggage scales at check-in.

Every passenger stands on the scales, with all their luggage, and gets charged on a sliding-scale basis.

That's discriminatory towards men.


Yes. Also to adults. I think the practical way to do this is establish some kind of limit on the ticket.

This ticket states our airline will move up to X kgs of body mass and Y kgs of luggage.

If you come in under that, you fly on the flat rate. If you exceed it, you pay more. Also you pay more if you can't fit in a standard seat. Equip every plane with some special seats (find a nice term for them). Anyone can purchase them, but the wide loads are required to purchase them.
 
2012-01-12 12:51:04 PM
Pincy: Ya, I weigh 350lbs but only have 5% body fat because I'm eight feet tall and won the world's strongest man competition two years ago. Why should I be penalized for how awesome I am?

If you read the comments on that page, there are a few doing that routine.
 
2012-01-12 12:52:56 PM
GoodyearPimp: What's the cutoff? Because if I was in tremendous shape (and I'm not), I still wouldn't clear 200. I guess it's not enough that I have limited clothing selections.

Fitness is irrelevant...weight is all that matters. It matters not if you are a 300 lb body builder or a 300 lb tub-o-lard who 'wears it well'...it is all the same to the fuel consumption, so pay up. They aren't measuring your resting heartrate.
 
2012-01-12 12:55:17 PM
Shaggy_C: FrancoFile: Just use the big luggage scales at check-in.

Every passenger stands on the scales, with all their luggage, and gets charged on a sliding-scale basis.

That's discriminatory towards men.


well,
a) sliding scale. Slope at the bottom for kids, flat in the middle, and the surcharge doesn't kick in until you get to well above the average person + 4 days luggage level. This penalizes both fatties and the people who feel the need to pack their entire belongings for a 3-day trip to see Grandma.
b) women generally pack more in clothing than men do (shoes, makeup, day-wear vs evening wear)
 
2012-01-12 12:56:16 PM
So do Three 100lb individuals fly for the same as One 300lb person?
 
2012-01-12 12:59:39 PM
Just charge by the pound... same as they do for any other cargo.
 
2012-01-12 01:01:14 PM
The_Sponge: Obvious:

Do midgets get a discount? What about kids?


Why not? Just have a base ticket price, and then a "per-pound" fee that you would incur as you boarded the aircraft? Everybody has to step on a scale on their way through the tunnel? That way each ticket price could be fairly tacked to passenger weight, and it would hardly be more obtrusive/offensive than the other TSA bullcrap we all put up with at the airport anyway.
 
2012-01-12 01:01:25 PM
Everyone who weighs so much as one pound more than me is a disgusting tub of goo that needs to get off the sofa and get on a treadmill, fatty.

Everyone who weighs so much as one pound less than me is a disgusting bony waif that needs to quit with the eating disorders and eat a sammich every once in a while.
 
2012-01-12 01:01:49 PM
madcan34: If someone physically takes up the space of two people then that person should pay for the extra space.

Define that please. How do you know they AREN'T taking up "one person's Space" and you, you tiny flea of a person, aren't taking up 1/2 a person's space?

Should we make the smallest person on the plane the standard and charge double for every standard deviation above that? Can you be sure airlines wouldn't hire professional midgets for every flight just to screw up the average?

/yes I sound fat

//But at -100lbs from my adult max, I don't FEEL fat, so there

///And at 6'2 with wide shoulders I ain't a never fitting comfortably into into a standard seat even if I was another 100lbs lighter
 
2012-01-12 01:08:49 PM
CommiePuddin: Everyone who weighs so much as one pound more than me is a disgusting tub of goo that needs to get off the sofa and get on a treadmill, fatty.

Everyone who weighs so much as one pound less than me is a disgusting bony waif that needs to quit with the eating disorders and eat a sammich every once in a while.


And everyone who weighs exactly the same amount as you is an asshole?
 
2012-01-12 01:08:52 PM
I like the ground round model of airfare. When you book your flight, you book one seat with a per-pound rate which is then applied to you and your luggage's weight. You estimate what yours will be and are charged that amount upfront, and any difference is refunded\charged when you get to the airport and check in.
 
2012-01-12 01:19:01 PM
As others have pointed out, one can weigh 200lbs and not be overweight... if you're 6'5". So any system really should be based on a rough BMI index. If you're overweight, you pay X amount more. If you're obese, you pay Y amount more. If you're severely obese, you pay for two seats.


Magorn: And at 6'2 with wide shoulders I ain't a never fitting comfortably into into a standard seat even if I was another 100lbs lighter

Same here. I play armrest wars when I am stuck in the middle seat because my shoulders are so wide. Right under TSA freedom probes and crying infants, shared arm rests are my biggest complaint. After a while, you learn which airlines have crappy legroom and just avoid them. The first three are universal issues that cannot be avoided. When the new 787 came out, the first thing I noticed in the publicity photos were the shared arm rests in coach. Meh. Just a more advanced flying sardine can.
 
2012-01-12 01:21:06 PM
"Rising fuel costs"? Have these people forgotten that fuel was near $5.00/gallon for a while there? Prices have been pretty damn stable for the last couple years.
 
2012-01-12 01:21:39 PM
asmodeus224: GoodyearPimp: What's the cutoff? Because if I was in tremendous shape (and I'm not), I still wouldn't clear 200. I guess it's not enough that I have limited clothing selections.

Fitness is irrelevant...weight is all that matters. It matters not if you are a 300 lb body builder or a 300 lb tub-o-lard who 'wears it well'...it is all the same to the fuel consumption, so pay up. They aren't measuring your resting heartrate.


Only if you apply that logic the other way as well and give the skinny people deep discounts and make kids nearly free. Otherwise your argument is ridiculous
 
2012-01-12 01:23:26 PM
LineNoise: I like the ground round model of airfare. When you book your flight, you book one seat with a per-pound rate which is then applied to you and your luggage's weight. You estimate what yours will be and are charged that amount upfront, and any difference is refunded\charged when you get to the airport and check in.

if you're weighing every passenger, you can claim that it is for weight/fuel calculations and just repeatedly argue that heavier people cost you more in fuel. set it as a sliding scale of passing on "real costs" to the consumer.

society should learn to cope with the fact that people have real differences which impact the world in different ways, and that sometimes it's notable differences with awkward socio-economic costs.
 
2012-01-12 01:26:54 PM
Magorn: asmodeus224: GoodyearPimp: What's the cutoff? Because if I was in tremendous shape (and I'm not), I still wouldn't clear 200. I guess it's not enough that I have limited clothing selections.

Fitness is irrelevant...weight is all that matters. It matters not if you are a 300 lb body builder or a 300 lb tub-o-lard who 'wears it well'...it is all the same to the fuel consumption, so pay up. They aren't measuring your resting heartrate.

Only if you apply that logic the other way as well and give the skinny people deep discounts and make kids nearly free. Otherwise your argument is ridiculous


Not really. You need a base fare regardless of the persons size to start with. The plane can only take X number of people no matter how skinny they are, because it only has X number of seats, and you need the same amount of staff no matter how fat or skinny everyone is, plus the airlines profit.

then you just charge per pound on top of that so everyone is paying fairly for the extra fuel they use if they are fat or have a ton of luggage, and aren't subsidising other people if they are thin or flying light.
 
2012-01-12 01:28:40 PM
GoodyearPimp: What's the cutoff? Because if I was in tremendous shape (and I'm not), I still wouldn't clear 200. I guess it's not enough that I have limited clothing selections.

Loser.

This is what you get for not fitting into some prescribed official body design. I wonder who came up with the idea of using stadium seats for travel anyway?

/would Karen Carpenter fly for free?
 
2012-01-12 01:30:38 PM
Magorn: asmodeus224: GoodyearPimp: What's the cutoff? Because if I was in tremendous shape (and I'm not), I still wouldn't clear 200. I guess it's not enough that I have limited clothing selections.

Fitness is irrelevant...weight is all that matters. It matters not if you are a 300 lb body builder or a 300 lb tub-o-lard who 'wears it well'...it is all the same to the fuel consumption, so pay up. They aren't measuring your resting heartrate.

Only if you apply that logic the other way as well and give the skinny people deep discounts and make kids nearly free. Otherwise your argument is ridiculous


I think this is relating to specific surcharges, not base airfares. You aren't going to fly for free...fuel is only part of the cost of services.
 
2012-01-12 01:31:52 PM
So in my example, I want to fly from NY to LA. The airline knows that the flight can hold 220 people, flys on average 80% full, and what its basic costs are for doing so (staff, gate fees, etc). They also know what kind of profit they want to make on that flight to be competitive and stay in business. So that all gets factored into your seat cost, which is the base cost for your flight.

The fuel is the big X factor, as its price changes, and how much extra or less they may need to buy to cart my ass around is variable. So that is the second option on your price.

So when you go to book online, it would look something like this: NY->LA $125 + 2.10 per pound. The base price can move up and down with demand, and the fuel price can move up and down with fuel costs.

How that isn't fair or discriminatory is beyond me.
 
2012-01-12 01:32:06 PM
Magorn: ///And at 6'2 with wide shoulders I ain't a never fitting comfortably into into a standard seat even if I was another 100lbs lighter

You sound broad
 
2012-01-12 01:36:33 PM
Dinjiin: As others have pointed out, one can weigh 200lbs and not be overweight... if you're 6'5". So any system really should be based on a rough BMI index. If you're overweight, you pay X amount more. If you're obese, you pay Y amount more. If you're severely obese, you pay for two seats.

Who cares if you are overweight, if you weigh more you cost the airline more, so it isn;t unreasonable for them to charge you more.
 
2012-01-12 01:37:00 PM
My decision about a year ago to NEVER fly again is proving to be the right choice. They aren't even trying to get my business back with this kind of crap. Just reaffirming my decision.

Fark you, commercial passenger airlines. My money - you get NONE of it.
 
2012-01-12 01:38:59 PM
Even better would be if just one or two airlines did this. That way all the overweight people would fly the other airlines and you could be fairly certain you wouldn't have to deal with anyone oozing into your seat.
 
2012-01-12 01:41:41 PM
You know, in the article the guy claims it was as much as 400$ or so per plane in extra fuel.

Im sorry but 400$ PER plane is freakin nothing. i was expecting thousands of dollars.

400$ per plane is like 2$ a seat. If 400$ per plane is the difference between your airline staying afloat and bankrupting, you have MUCH larger problems then some tubbys extra tire.

This is all smoke screen for them to try and play on peoples emotions to allow them to make a LARGER PROFIT.
 
2012-01-12 01:44:23 PM
Fat peoples' luggage weighs more too because their clothes need to have more fabric on them

Although fat people are always hot so they presumably wear less clothes and layers, so maybe it evens out

Fat!
 
2012-01-12 01:46:40 PM
FTFA the additional cost is about $472 per flight.

Just raise the ticket price by 3 bucks (assuming ~30 rows and 6 seats/row) if that's what it's about.

The additional costs needed to implement a pay-by-weight scheme would turn that 3 dollar increase into a 5 dollar increase for skinny people and 25 dollar increase for fat people.
 
2012-01-12 01:48:27 PM
They will just "pay" for it with credit. At what point does real money pay for real gas to get your real fat ass off the ground?


funny or dick?
 
2012-01-12 01:50:30 PM
LineNoise: Magorn: asmodeus224: GoodyearPimp: What's the cutoff? Because if I was in tremendous shape (and I'm not), I still wouldn't clear 200. I guess it's not enough that I have limited clothing selections.

Fitness is irrelevant...weight is all that matters. It matters not if you are a 300 lb body builder or a 300 lb tub-o-lard who 'wears it well'...it is all the same to the fuel consumption, so pay up. They aren't measuring your resting heartrate.

Only if you apply that logic the other way as well and give the skinny people deep discounts and make kids nearly free. Otherwise your argument is ridiculous

Not really. You need a base fare regardless of the persons size to start with. The plane can only take X number of people no matter how skinny they are, because it only has X number of seats, and you need the same amount of staff no matter how fat or skinny everyone is, plus the airlines profit.

then you just charge per pound on top of that so everyone is paying fairly for the extra fuel they use if they are fat or have a ton of luggage, and aren't subsidising other people if they are thin or flying light.


That's a pretty good idea, a flat fee for person+luggage under a certain limit (maybe 300# or whatever). Over that, pay a sliding scale on how much over.

If I fly to Charlotte for the weekend, me plus my carry-on is about 230 pounds. If I fly there for 1-week, me plus my suitcase and carry-on are probably closer to 300, so I should pay more because I'm weighing the plane down more.
 
2012-01-12 01:53:12 PM
Or airlines could just find out the average weight and price their tickets accordingly, taking fuel prices into consideration. Idiots.
 
2012-01-12 01:55:39 PM
Question: What's the rough difference between an empty plane and a full plane in terms of total weight (and thus fuel)?
 
2012-01-12 01:56:34 PM
liam76: Who cares if you are overweight, if you weigh more you cost the airline more, so it isn;t unreasonable for them to charge you more.

Lawyers who want to stay on the right side of anti-discrimination laws. You can argue that somebody who is overweight is that way by their own choice. But a person who grows to be 6'5" tall has no more control over their height than a person has regarding their skin color.


/yes, you can bleach your skin and saw your legs off
//those are not reasonable or practical methods of control
///besides, most of your weight is in your torso, not your legs
 
2012-01-12 02:04:09 PM
Ponzholio: LineNoise: Magorn: asmodeus224: GoodyearPimp: What's the cutoff? Because if I was in tremendous shape (and I'm not), I still wouldn't clear 200. I guess it's not enough that I have limited clothing selections.

Fitness is irrelevant...weight is all that matters. It matters not if you are a 300 lb body builder or a 300 lb tub-o-lard who 'wears it well'...it is all the same to the fuel consumption, so pay up. They aren't measuring your resting heartrate.

Only if you apply that logic the other way as well and give the skinny people deep discounts and make kids nearly free. Otherwise your argument is ridiculous

Not really. You need a base fare regardless of the persons size to start with. The plane can only take X number of people no matter how skinny they are, because it only has X number of seats, and you need the same amount of staff no matter how fat or skinny everyone is, plus the airlines profit.

then you just charge per pound on top of that so everyone is paying fairly for the extra fuel they use if they are fat or have a ton of luggage, and aren't subsidising other people if they are thin or flying light.

That's a pretty good idea, a flat fee for person+luggage under a certain limit (maybe 300# or whatever). Over that, pay a sliding scale on how much over.

If I fly to Charlotte for the weekend, me plus my carry-on is about 230 pounds. If I fly there for 1-week, me plus my suitcase and carry-on are probably closer to 300, so I should pay more because I'm weighing the plane down more.


I'm saying you don't even do an allowance. EVERYONE pays per pound. So if you are flying with your 30 pound kid who has no luggage, you only pay a little over the seat cost. You estimate in advance what you think you plus your bags will weigh on the flight, and the difference is settled at check-in.
 
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