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Dion Phaneuf named the most overrated player in the NHL. Again
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Mr_Ectomy
2012-01-12 03:04:08 AM
Also "Face Most Resembling a Shoe"
Thudfark
2012-01-12 05:41:06 AM
Ovechkin must be pissed he lost out. Again.
Hastor
2012-01-12 05:43:24 AM
Heh. That really is a really bizarre list of players. They really need to sit down and explain what exactly they mean when they say overrated because those responses cannot be to the same notion of overrated.
ie..Scott Gomez is one of the, if not the, most overpaid player in the NHL. However you cannot think of him as overrated in terms of performance unless you were trapped in a cave for the last couple years. I mean the guy signed that contract...in 08? and has been a laughing stock for at least two years now.
/Also wtf is Iginla doing on that list? Just because his team is terrible? He doesn't deserve to be anywhere near this conversation.
A lot of hate in there for teams from Canada and I say that as a Bruins fan.
Dreamy LaTwitch
2012-01-12 06:58:51 AM
So don't buy the cheap Phaneuf McFarlane figure then?
Vance Uppercut
2012-01-12 07:04:58 AM
Hastor
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A lot of hate in there for teams from Canada and I say that as a Bruins fan.
how dare you! I think the only purpose of the article is to generate pages of responses so that espn gets some feedback so they know if they are hyping the right players. The all-star voting would suggest that they are, I believe Crosby was almost voted into the all star game even though he has played 8 games in a calendar year (?), and he has had more media focus than all the other players combined. He's great, but so are many other players.
As a Bruins fan, you might want to take a page out of the Detroit/Chicago book and just lay low. Sure, Malkin and Crosby and Letang are the best players in the world, the central division doesn't have anybody worth mentioning. Nothing to see here, thanks for all the cups.
keylock71
2012-01-12 07:08:43 AM
Meh, this is just greasy kid stuff to get the howler monkeys riled up...
swahnhennessy
2012-01-12 07:49:18 AM
I agree with
Hastor
. It's like the question was vague or the players didn't understand it/give a damn about their answer. No one thinks of Gomez or Komisarek as overrated. Maybe when they were signed to their contracts, but nowadays they are merely overpaid. If anything, guys like that risk being underrated as their bloated contract often gets in the way of assessing their play. Which isn't to say Gomez is underrated. I'm not prepared to troll that hard.
octopied
2012-01-12 08:31:46 AM
I'm a litttle currious about how these surveys are done? E mail them to players,and pay anyone that sends one back or something? Tour the East cost where the teams are close together and interview everyone in the dressing rooms those nights?
Like others have already said, this list doesn't actually make much sense if you think about it.
GavinTheAlmighty
2012-01-12 08:47:24 AM
Mike Komisarek? Really? This is just a list of players that the other players don't like.
And Phaneuf is doing quite well this year. Top ten D-man and terrific playmaker. There aren't too many teams who wouldn't kill to have him right now.
barefoot in the head
2012-01-12 08:48:35 AM
Don't worry about that noise, Dion. Just do me a favour and put that big ass shot of yours on the farking net every now and then.
carrion_luggage
2012-01-12 08:49:33 AM
That's Phaneuf of that.
carrion_luggage
2012-01-12 08:50:09 AM
Any relation to Dion Aphire?
Orange Rhyming Dictionary
2012-01-12 09:04:30 AM
Duncan Keith oddly missing
/blackhawks fan
The Gordie Howe Hat Trick
2012-01-12 09:06:58 AM
barefoot in the head
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Don't worry about that noise, Dion. Just do me a favour and put that big ass shot of yours on the farking net every now and then.
Is that a euphemism?
Malcolm_Sex
2012-01-12 09:17:00 AM
Scott Gomez is third? Does ANYBODY think Scott Gomez is good?
whizbang
2012-01-12 09:31:23 AM
change1211
2012-01-12 09:53:12 AM
Hastor
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Heh. That really is a really bizarre list of players. They really need to sit down and explain what exactly they mean when they say overrated because those responses cannot be to the same notion of overrated.
ie..Scott Gomez is one of the, if not the, most overpaid player in the NHL. However you cannot think of him as overrated in terms of performance unless you were trapped in a cave for the last couple years. I mean the guy signed that contract...in 08? and has been a laughing stock for at least two years now.
/Also wtf is Iginla doing on that list? Just because his team is terrible? He doesn't deserve to be anywhere near this conversation.
A lot of hate in there for teams from Canada and I say that as a Bruins fan.
Yeah, I don't really get their reasoning, especially in regards to Iginla. He's an all around solid player, as are a good number of players on that list.
Apparently they don't like the Canucks either, Kesler is overrated?
Jubeebee
2012-01-12 10:14:08 AM
Orange Rhyming Dictionary
:
Duncan Keith oddly missing
/blackhawks fan
Have you ever watched hockey?
ddam
2012-01-12 10:29:28 AM
Where is Penner? The Kings get overlooked in yet another list.
Flappyhead
2012-01-12 10:29:53 AM
Hastor
:
Heh. That really is a really bizarre list of players. They really need to sit down and explain what exactly they mean when they say overrated because those responses cannot be to the same notion of overrated.
Well obviously some got it, because Jay Bouwmeester is on the list, however he's way to low. Now I know people will say that like Gomez he's just overpaid but honestly is there another player in the NHL with as much talent who got so much hype(on top of the giant contract) because of said talent and has done less with it?
swahnhennessy
2012-01-12 10:35:02 AM
Flappyhead
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...but honestly is there another player in the NHL with as much talent who got so much hype(on top of the giant contract) because of said talent and has done less with it?
Bryzgalov is on his way there if he doesn't get his act together.
bottsicus
2012-01-12 10:35:11 AM
Thudfark
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Ovechkin must be pissed he lost out. Again.
He should have been #1.
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.
2012-01-12 10:39:46 AM
GavinTheAlmighty
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Mike Komisarek? Really? This is just a list of players that the other players don't like.
You
Really'd
Mike Komisarek? Really?
fatalvenom
2012-01-12 10:40:40 AM
I think a list of most underrated players would have made more a much better thread.
Rev.K
2012-01-12 10:41:03 AM
bottsicus
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Thudfark: Ovechkin must be pissed he lost out. Again.
He should have been #1.
614 points in 475 games including three 50-goal seasons and one 60-goal season.
Yeah, he's overrated.
You tard.
fatalvenom
2012-01-12 10:41:24 AM
Where did that "more" come from?
markyp09
2012-01-12 10:42:20 AM
Jubeebee
:
Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Duncan Keith oddly missing
/blackhawks fan
Have you ever watched hockey?
Duncan is a +13 or something this year but he hasn't played anywhere close to the level he played at during the SC year.
change1211
2012-01-12 10:50:11 AM
fatalvenom
:
I think a list of most underrated players would have made more a much better thread.
Agreed.
Rev.K
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bottsicus: Thudfark: Ovechkin must be pissed he lost out. Again.
He should have been #1.
614 points in 475 games including three 50-goal seasons and one 60-goal season.
Yeah, he's overrated.
You tard.
I guess this is the thread I agree with people who I normally disagree with.
ytterbium
2012-01-12 10:53:24 AM
Jubeebee
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Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Duncan Keith oddly missing
/blackhawks fan
Have you ever watched hockey?
Yeah, Keith is a work horse. I think, and I could be wrong, that he has the most on-ice time of the team. He's not exactly a headline-maker (other than the teeth thing)...maybe you're confusing him with Kane.
keylock71
2012-01-12 10:59:59 AM
swahnhennessy
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Flappyhead: ...but honestly is there another player in the NHL with as much talent who got so much hype(on top of the giant contract) because of said talent and has done less with it?
Bryzgalov is on his way there if he doesn't get his act together.
Look, the Universe is massive... You can't expect the guy to get his act together faster than a few hundred light years.
ytterbium
2012-01-12 11:01:50 AM
Also, I'll mention Patrick Sharp as an underrated player, as well as both Steen and Shattenkirk on the Blues.
Flappyhead
2012-01-12 11:02:30 AM
fatalvenom
:
I think a list of most underrated players would have made more a much better thread.
Hal Gill
Claude Giroux
Nikolai Kumemin
Denis Wideman
Matt Moulson
And that's just off the top of my head.
Mr Guy
2012-01-12 11:04:56 AM
Rev.K
:
bottsicus: Thudfark: Ovechkin must be pissed he lost out. Again.
He should have been #1.
614 points in 475 games including three 50-goal seasons and one 60-goal season.
Yeah, he's overrated.
You tard.
As a Canes fan, you can tell Ovetchkin is overrated every single time we play. The announcers just have to talk about him for no reason at all. They are like, "Ovetchkin shoots" "Ovetchkin steals the puck at the blue line" "Ovetchkin drives the net and lays it off for whoever" "Ovetchkin gets the assist" "Ovetchkin levels whoever" "Good forchecking by Ovetchkin" "Ovetchkin is there for the rebound" "Ovetchkin scores".
Overrated. Come on, announcers, other guys on the Caps are kicking our asses, too.
Rev.K
2012-01-12 11:10:16 AM
Mr Guy
:
The announcers just have to talk about him for no reason at all.
That has always happened.
Happens with Crosby
Happens with the Sedins
Happened with Gretzky
Happened with Lemieux
Announcers and the hockey media at large talk about star players all the time. That's just what they do. They put Pierre Maguire between the boxes just so he could slobber superstar player knobs from even closer.
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.
2012-01-12 11:10:38 AM
Anyone else have their own list?
1st Team:
LW - A. Ovechkin
C - R. Getzlaf
RW - P. Kane
D - T. Kaberle
D - M. Green
G - I. Bryzgalov
2nd Team:
LW - A. Kostitsyn
C - B. Dubinsky
RW - A. Burrows
D - J. Johnson
D - J. Bouwmeester
G - J. Howard
hachijuhachi
2012-01-12 11:11:11 AM
Glad to see
Orange Rhyming Dictionary
got the smackdown she deserved for her seriously ignorant comment. Go back to watching football. It's a game for illiterates.
GavinTheAlmighty
2012-01-12 11:12:13 AM
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.
:
You Really'd Mike Komisarek? Really?
It's the same as the Scott Gomez thing. It's not that people are overrated Komisarek; it's that nobody is rating him at all. Is he overpaid? Absolutely, but this certainly isn't a list of the most overpaid players. Tyler Myers is going to make $12m in 2012-2013, and you would have a very difficult time convincing me that he is worth that.
Mr Guy
2012-01-12 11:21:30 AM
Rev.K
:
Announcers and the hockey media at large talk about star players all the time. That's just what they do. They put Pierre Maguire between the boxes just so he could slobber superstar player knobs from even closer.
Pssst,
re-read the "no reason at all reasons" to mention his name
mavrickatubc
2012-01-12 11:25:54 AM
No one's more overrated than Loooooou,
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.
2012-01-12 11:25:57 AM
GavinTheAlmighty
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S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: You Really'd Mike Komisarek? Really?
It's the same as the Scott Gomez thing. It's not that people are overrated Komisarek; it's that nobody is rating him at all. Is he overpaid? Absolutely, but this certainly isn't a list of the most overpaid players. Tyler Myers is going to make $12m in 2012-2013, and you would have a very difficult time convincing me that he is worth that.
Yeah that's certainly true. Just trollin' Leaf fans a bit ;) I think until Schenn & Phaneuf arrived he was overrated by the Leafs media but now he's back in the shadows as a quiet defender, where he should be. Him or Phaneuf didn't make my list. I wouldn't call Phaneuf overated, but then again 20% of NHLers polled disagree with me.
Jubeebee
2012-01-12 11:29:27 AM
markyp09
:
Jubeebee: Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Duncan Keith oddly missing
/blackhawks fan
Have you ever watched hockey?
Duncan is a +13 or something this year but he hasn't played anywhere close to the level he played at during the SC year.
He won the Norris that year. So, yes, in the sense that he is not the best blueliner in hockey this year, he isn't playing as well now.
But Keith plays 28 minutes a night in front of a pair of goalies whose SV% is in the .890-.900 range, and he's still in the top 30 for +/-. Overrated he aint.
Rev.K
2012-01-12 11:30:29 AM
Mr Guy
:
Pssst,re-read the "no reason at all reasons" to mention his name
Yes, I know and that happens all the time with other players too and has since the 1970s.
Star players get attention, even when it's not necessary.
That phenomenon is not new, nor is it unique to Ovechkin.
change1211
2012-01-12 11:39:34 AM
mavrickatubc
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[www.cbc.ca image 620x349]
No one's more overrated than Loooooou,
I don't know about that, he catches a lot of flack when he doesn't play well. A LOT of flack.
keylock71
2012-01-12 11:43:08 AM
I'm disappointed that there has only been one reference to Tomas Kaberle in this thread...
Flappyhead
2012-01-12 11:47:46 AM
keylock71
:
I'm disappointed that there has only been one reference to Tomas Kaberle in this thread...
[bigmouthsports.com image 608x342]
It's like he's developed some sort of cloaking device. Hell the
Montreal
media is leaving him alone.
markyp09
2012-01-12 11:49:36 AM
Jubeebee
:
He won the Norris that year. So, yes, in the sense that he is not the best blueliner in hockey this year, he isn't playing as well now.
But Keith plays 28 minutes a night in front of a pair of goalies whose SV% is in the .890-.900 range, and he's still in the top 30 for +/-. Overrated he aint.
Agreed. I'm just saying that there has been a dropoff from his play that year. Last year I put it on the Olympics and a deep playoff run so maybe he had a SC hangover. Also, I'm sure that separating him and Seabs hasn't helped. But he was terrific that year and hasn't been on that same level since.
GavinTheAlmighty
2012-01-12 11:52:01 AM
Anyway, maybe it's just me, but I would be more than prepared to put this guy on the list:
Waste of talent, but still considered to be great.
Mr_Ectomy
2012-01-12 11:54:21 AM
fatalvenom
:
I think a list of most underrated players would have made more a much better thread.
They had that list, too.
(new window)
1. Loui Eriksson
2. Jamie Benn
3. Joe Pavelski
4. Jordan Staal
5. Chris Kelly
6. Pavel Datsyuk
7. Patrick Sharp
8. Claude Giroux
9. Frans Nielsen
10. Zach Parise
11. Tomas Fleischmann
12. Mikko Koivu
13. Martin St. Louis
14. Anze Kopitar
15. Ryan Suter
change1211
2012-01-12 11:58:36 AM
Mr_Ectomy
:
fatalvenom: I think a list of most underrated players would have made more a much better thread.
They had that list, too. (new window)
1. Loui Eriksson
2. Jamie Benn
3. Joe Pavelski
4. Jordan Staal
5. Chris Kelly
6. Pavel Datsyuk
7. Patrick Sharp
8. Claude Giroux
9. Frans Nielsen
10. Zach Parise
11. Tomas Fleischmann
12. Mikko Koivu
13. Martin St. Louis
14. Anze Kopitar
15. Ryan Suter
St. Louis, Koivu and Kopitar are underrated. This list also sucks.
Killer Cars
2012-01-12 11:59:10 AM
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.
:
D - J. Johnson
It astounds me Duncan Keith was mentioned in this thread before this guy, let alone even at all.
Johnson is still salivated over as some future godsend at the blueline, but he's tied for 36th in total scoring among defenseman, and is -8 right now on a team in LA that doesn't even give up many goals in the first place (okay, they barely score any, as well...)
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