violentsalvation: And about 25% of those released return to terrorism.

Too bad we can't get that low of a recidivism rate from our U.S. prisoners.

R.A.Danny: violentsalvation: GAT_00: violentsalvation: And about 25% of those released return to terrorism.

One, citation needed, and two, BFD. After what we did to them I'd want to kill some Americans too, and we have no right to keep them locked up.

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Pretty low recidivism rate compare to our home grown crack dealers, rapists, and kiddy diddlers.

Almost as if many (most) were innocent.

violentsalvation: We don't try. Prison is a business.

Why do you hate job creation?

Wars a biatch and this is one of the consequences. Don't pretend to be above it, because the next country to go on an arbitrary rampage will do the same (looking at you, random country at least partly in Asia).

violentsalvation: downpaymentblues: violentsalvation: And about 25% of those released return to terrorism.

Too bad we can't get that low of a recidivism rate from our U.S. prisoners.

We don't try. Prison is a business.

Thank you for that. It is sad that our own citizens are treated so poorly. I wish for a better world.

Was the 13 year old dressed as Hit Girl, cause......

I say we turn the whole prison into a glass parking lot.

We perused the monsters with such vigor we became monsters ourselves.

Do the ends justify the means?

God-is-a-Taco: What battle have we actually won against terrorism?
For anything we might have gained, we lost far more.

We won the Iraq War. Right?

If this is an SAT question, I choose "Not enough information"

ACLU: 92% of Gitmo detainees were never Al Qaeda. 86% turned over to coalition forces for a bounty. Youngest was 13. Oldest was ... 98. Over 200 FBI Agents reported abusive treatments. Bush released 532 prisoners. Obama: 68. 171 left



Hit it.

Thanks to Obama, there are fewer prisoners at Gitmo.

Unfortunately for Obama, Americans actually care about American values -- and one of those is due process.

gaslight: Good thing that indefinite detention law you lot passed down there will never be misused.

SHHH, don't talk about that or else they'll find us!

violentsalvation: And about 25% of those released return to terrorism.

Which is about 67% less than the number that have every right to after what we did.

You know that ex-Marine Iran sentenced to death? Don't think they don't have things like this on their mind when they make that sentence.

WorldCitizen: This is and is going to be a scar on the US for a long, long time.

Does anyone care though? This nation began with slavery and one of the worst holocausts of all time by almost wiping out the North American native population. We also have had Japanese internment camps, Jim Crow laws, the Alien and Sedition Acts, Vietnam, Iraq, the Spanish-American War, dropping the atomic bomb in Japan, funding dictators across the globe, etc, etc.

TheJoe03: WorldCitizen: This is and is going to be a scar on the US for a long, long time.

Does anyone care though? This nation began with slavery and one of the worst holocausts of all time by almost wiping out the North American native population. We also have had Japanese internment camps, Jim Crow laws, the Alien and Sedition Acts, Vietnam, Iraq, the Spanish-American War, dropping the atomic bomb in Japan, funding dictators across the globe, etc, etc.

The kind of people who are willing to die to kill Americans probably care.

Errk: Wait.... I thought Obama closed Gitmo. That's what he promised, right?

Yeah, he did, before 90-some members of the Senate pretty much flat-out told him 'You can take your promise and shove it up your ass because we're going to make you keep them in Gitmo because we'll be damned if we risk our jobs over one of them showing up in our state'. Which led Obama to get rid of as many as he could through making them part of deals like 'Your head of state can meet with Obama if you take these two Gitmo detainees'.

And then that avenue got closed off as soon as Palau took a couple and the media started running tourism-department B-roll.

I almost forgot! Happy Birthday GTMO!

netweavr: Wars a biatch and this is one of the consequences.

We beat the Third Reich without this being one of the consequences.

Do you imagine yourself to be weaker than your grandparents' generation, or just more cowardly?

Gosling: violentsalvation: And about 25% of those released return to terrorism.

Which is about 67% less than the number that have every right to after what we did.

You know that ex-Marine Iran sentenced to death? Don't think they don't have things like this on their mind when they make that sentence.

I wonder how many Iranians are being held at Gitmo?

was told there would be no maths

AssAsInAssassin: It always amuses me when so-called conservatives speak of "God-given" rights, and then act like those same rights are privileges of membership in Club America. I once got a neo-con to admit that he didn't care if any of the detainees were innocent, or if the Constitution extends habeas corpus to all accused, citizen or no.

You say that like it was difficult to get them to admit that. Most teabaggers I converse with openly support the jailing of brown people for no apparent reason.

One of them routinely says it should be legal to shoot anyone who doesn't speak English. Irony: he's 3rd gen Irish Immigrant, whose grandparents never learned English. When I pointed that out his response was "well that is different". I asked how but he refused to elaborate; I'm assuming that he wanted to say "but they weren't brown!"

Mentat: And why do we have 171 left? Because the alternative is to send them back to Syria, which is in the middle of a civil war, or China, where they'll be tortured to death. We can't keep them in Ft. Leavenworth because the GOP has decided that we're dealing with a bunch of Lex Luthors and that if we put them in a maximum security prison in the middle of an Army base, Otis and Ms. Teschmacher will fly in on a hot air balloon and break everyone out.

Precisely. Basically the only politically acceptable path, the only one that won't be closed off as soon as it's spotted, is for every last detainee at Gitmo to die of old age without charge. In Gitmo. Can't even move them to some other prison, any other prison on Earth. Congress already shut off the avenue to American prisons, and the foreign ones will get the response 'Oh, yeah, disappear them to some other black site we don't know about!'

Basically, we have 171 stateless persons on our hands. People whom we've muddied to such a degree that nobody on Earth will ever accept them again. Every day, every month, every year a single one of them remains there, every enemy we've made can point at it and tell their people 'Fight to the last man, because if you get taken alive, the Americans will do that to you even if you never raised a hand in anger'. It's a recruiting poster every day they're still there.

You have to ask yourself, who's more dangerous: the people in Gitmo, or the people inspired by the plight of the people in Gitmo?

violentsalvation: And about 25% of those released return to terrorism.

So that's like, what, 50 people in there at the most right now? That is a drop in the bucket of a sea of people who want to visit upon this country with harm. And you know what, its always been like that and will always be like that. It doesn't matter what someone's intent is or what they might later do, you can't prosecute or detain someone for potential crimes. And truth is due to the overwhelming bad PR it brings having them in there it causes us more harm now than the potential harm they represent if released.

The world is not safe. It never was. It never will be. Life sucks, get a helmet.

Why Yes I Am A Wizard: We perused the monsters with such vigor we became monsters ourselves.

Do the ends justify the means?

I am Legend.

I like turtles.

I know a guy who knows a guy on good authority that cannot confirm or deny that there is an agency known by three letter acronym has tortured 13 year olds.