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School districts' requirement that all students wear "health monitors" 24/7 that record their every move and vital statistic is not a repeat from 1984
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ZAZ
2012-01-11 09:01:08 PM
That's funny... Sophie's and Paul's monitors always show elevated heart rates at the same time.
hubiestubert
2012-01-11 09:18:04 PM
If the kids volunteer, that's one thing, making it a requirement is a whole 'nother.
Vodka Zombie
2012-01-11 09:42:13 PM
DNRTFA, but, I wonder what drug company came up with this brilliant idea?
"Yeah. We'll make it all about monitoring kids, but really? We need these numbers for the Ritalin-type medication whose patent is about to expire. We need to know how much we can detweak the little snowflakes for our next batch."
WorldCitizen
2012-01-11 09:52:34 PM
Creepy.
"Well, we see Tommy's heart rate is up again right before going to sleep."
ArkAngel
2012-01-11 09:55:33 PM
So long as the wristband doesn't have a pedometer.
SilentStrider
2012-01-11 10:32:57 PM
Yeah this is in no way a bad idea.
Benevolent Misanthrope
2012-01-11 10:41:52 PM
Later this school year, the district plans to collect data about activity levels and even sleep patterns for a week at a time. It will have the students wear the devices round the clock.
The Fark they will, if it were my kid. No way would I consent to someone tracking that amount of information on my kid outside of school. This definitely falls under "None of your goddamn business". And yeah - someone at a fitness equipment dealer just made a farkton of money selling this shiat to the schools. The funny thing is, they're notoriously inaccurate anyway.
UberDave
2012-01-11 10:49:11 PM
I can see it now... "Jesus Christ!! Mrs Schmitt's entire fifth grade class just flat-lined!!!"
Yep, no way they would prank people...taking it off...attaching it to the classroom pet...
Mentat
2012-01-11 10:49:47 PM
Citizen, cease your erection immediately! A chaste society is a perfect society. Thank you for your cooperation.
Benevolent Misanthrope
2012-01-11 11:07:10 PM
UberDave
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I can see it now... "Jesus Christ!! Mrs Schmitt's entire fifth grade class just flat-lined!!!"
Yep, no way they would prank people...taking it off...attaching it to the classroom pet...
Getting disciplined when they do because it throws off some farkhead administrator's statistical report...
If I were a parent with a child at that school, I'd be raising all kinds of hell and demanding a public records release on the contract for those things - including who initiated the process and who bid it, plus who signed off on it and who profited.
eddyatwork
2012-01-11 11:29:29 PM
If I had worn one of these on my right wrist during my teen years they'd have thought I was a professional bodybuilder.
miss diminutive
2012-01-11 11:29:57 PM
hubiestubert
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If the kids volunteer, that's one thing, making it a requirement is a whole 'nother.
Yeah, but there's always only one volunteer.
Rusty Shackleford
2012-01-11 11:32:52 PM
serial_crusher
2012-01-11 11:40:04 PM
Oh no. They're going to tell the CIA All the data they need to calibrate their mind control satellite.
davidphogan
2012-01-11 11:44:14 PM
ArkAngel
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So long as the wristband doesn't have a pedometer.
That's a safety feature so they don't get molested?
SilentStrider
2012-01-11 11:45:43 PM
davidphogan
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ArkAngel: So long as the wristband doesn't have a pedometer.
That's a safety feature so they don't get molested?
that's only in the version found in State College, Pennsylvania.
AbbeySomeone
2012-01-11 11:50:52 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope
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UberDave: I can see it now... "Jesus Christ!! Mrs Schmitt's entire fifth grade class just flat-lined!!!"
Yep, no way they would prank people...taking it off...attaching it to the classroom pet...
Getting disciplined when they do because it throws off some farkhead administrator's statistical report...
If I were a parent with a child at that school, I'd be raising all kinds of hell and demanding a public records release on the contract for those things - including who initiated the process and who bid it, plus who signed off on it and who profited.
This.
I wouldn't be surprised if the students start receiving mail advising corrective treatments, special coaches, etc. What a f*cking scam. The pathetic part is that some obtuse parents will happily sign up and talk about how special they are to get this treatment.
DarthBrooks
2012-01-12 12:35:08 AM
If they're collecting health information, it sounds like they've turned into what the feds call a "covered entity." The HIPAA fines will be astronomical.
calbert
2012-01-12 12:58:55 AM
how else are we supposed to know when they're ready for Carrousel?
bravian
2012-01-12 01:02:58 AM
On one hand I'm glad to see schools with robust PE programs. On the other hand - complete violation of privacy. If I was a parent I would tell them to go stuff it.
piltdown
2012-01-12 01:04:46 AM
As long as it's voluntary, I don't see a problem with it. From the looks of the information they're tracking, it's basically wearing a glorified pedometer for a week, and not a GPS-enabled, spy-camera tracking device.
imprimere
2012-01-12 01:05:30 AM
I find it odd that this school district has excess funds.
gutter_ca/fl
2012-01-12 01:12:03 AM
imprimere
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I find it odd that this school district has excess funds.
This.
quickdraw
2012-01-12 01:15:01 AM
FTFA
""If a university would do this study, they'd need to have lots of approval and consent from our internal review board, because this is a form of human subject research,"
This is no joke. Do you have any idea how much paperwork you would need to do this in a university? On adults?
inclemency
2012-01-12 01:15:56 AM
ZAZ
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That's funny... Sophie's and Paul's monitors always show elevated heart rates at the same time.
+1
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firefly212
2012-01-12 01:18:22 AM
I don't see where it's listed as a requirement, but if it is optional and the parents consent, I have no problem. I have one of those monitors, it's very useful. Sometimes our guesses at how much physical activity we get in a day are way off... in my case, I was low-balling it... but I think it is a good way to help kids develop good habits.
Aulus
2012-01-12 01:18:40 AM
No way in hell, would I allow that on my 12 year old granddaughter. Of course, I would not have to worry about it as my daughter, her mother, would be in the school office, promising to rip the throat out of any school admin who even suggested such a thing.
DSan
2012-01-12 01:26:11 AM
Is this why God invented sledge hammers?
Cyno01
2012-01-12 01:28:13 AM
I put a pedometer on my wrist and fapped one time.
Gyrfalcon
2012-01-12 01:30:49 AM
piltdown
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As long as it's voluntary, I don't see a problem with it. From the looks of the information they're tracking, it's basically wearing a glorified pedometer for a week, and not a GPS-enabled, spy-camera tracking device.
A week, fine.
A year? Go talk to my lawyer.
buckler
2012-01-12 01:31:20 AM
I'd like to think if a school strapped one of these onto a kid of mine, it'd soon be attached to a large hyperactive dog.
Marcintosh
2012-01-12 01:45:50 AM
"These reports will go into portfolios to let kids examine their own behaviors and set goals," Beckmann said.
that right there makes it wrong beyond belief. to have identifiers in the data- who would have access to this info "The District"?
Last seen sobbing mumbling about some year or other.
gutter_ca/fl
2012-01-12 01:48:32 AM
quickdraw
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FTFA
""If a university would do this study, they'd need to have lots of approval and consent from our internal review board, because this is a form of human subject research,"
This is no joke. Do you have any idea how much paperwork you would need to do this in a university? On adults?
That was really my thought, too. It seems like they are gathering far too much data, and if the students are identifiable this is absolutely terrible. I would REALLY like to see the money trail on this one.
Torqueknot
2012-01-12 01:49:39 AM
piltdown
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As long as it's voluntary, I don't see a problem with it. From the looks of the information they're tracking, it's basically wearing a glorified pedometer for a week, and not a GPS-enabled, spy-camera tracking device.
You don't jump out and say "Hey! Tracking device! Wear it! You will be safer!" You gotta start easy and work your way up. Babysteps and all. Today it's health and fitness. Next year will be about the safety of the child. In five years? The camera. To help keep everyone safer.
untaken_name
2012-01-12 01:58:30 AM
In case you didn't read TFA, here's a pic of the device:
Pancoaifo
2012-01-12 01:59:51 AM
On the face of it, I don't have a problem with this, as long as the program is elective and the records are handled in accordance with HIPAA standards.
However, I question the effectiveness of the program. Kids vary wildly in physical standards. I myself wrestled the 118 weight class in 4th grade, height 4'8"ish. But I graduated highschool at 177 and 6'2".
I remember my mom absolutely tweaking that I was so overweight. My dad insisted I was just a kid.
My mom's head would have exploded if she had access to the kind of data in this program. (even if she had no baseline for comparison, she would have seen my chubby self and insisted I needed to walk twice as much or something). Even for an average sized kid, far too many parents obsess over seeing their kid improve by any and all metrics.
I just see this causing far more trouble than it's worth for the kids.
ladyfortuna
2012-01-12 02:02:11 AM
"The monitors measure activity by tracking every movement of the person wearing them. They display steps taken, calories spent and time spent at various levels of activity. An animated figure on the monitor indicates the activity level. A bar shows the target time for doing moderate to vigorous activity and the amount of time achieved at that level."
I honestly would pay one of those kids like $100 to give it to their most out of shape relative and then give the relative a couple hundred to go spend the week in a cheap bar. I'd love to see the looks on the teachers' faces.
davidphogan
2012-01-12 02:14:57 AM
ladyfortuna
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I honestly would pay one of those kids like $100 to give it to their most out of shape relative and then give the relative a couple hundred to go spend the week in a cheap bar. I'd love to see the looks on the teachers' faces.
What if they play darts? Shuffleboard? Pool? What then?
cedarpark
2012-01-12 02:20:20 AM
Tape it to the washing machine during spin cycle.
ladyfortuna
2012-01-12 02:21:36 AM
davidphogan
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ladyfortuna: I honestly would pay one of those kids like $100 to give it to their most out of shape relative and then give the relative a couple hundred to go spend the week in a cheap bar. I'd love to see the looks on the teachers' faces.
What if they play darts? Shuffleboard? Pool? What then?
Even more fun as they watch the heart rate wildly switch up.
chestylaruegal
2012-01-12 02:33:18 AM
The really weird part to me is that they want to track sleep patterns in addition to activity. This just seems like way too much data for what they want. Wouldn't they have to follow HIPPA for this kind of information?
profplump
2012-01-12 02:41:07 AM
I'm guessing the school doesn't have malicious intent for this, and that they don't really understand the impact of their data gathering, but their lack of knowledge/understanding is no excuse. And that's assuming the best-case scenario -- if the school administrators actually understand what's happening they're clearly in the wrong. And of course there's no telling what the people funding this are expecting, or what their intentions are.
As other have noted, any reasonable IRB would never approve this sort of human study, not without much better controls, and the only reason it's even on the table is because it's being proposed by a body not qualified to do human studies in the first place. As to whether it violates HIPAA or the like I'd consider the question irrelevant -- the school administration is clearly not competent to administer such a study, and it should be rejected on those grounds alone, even if it would otherwise be acceptable.
Hrist
2012-01-12 02:46:11 AM
Remember the last time tracking devices were tried on kids? I think it was with laptops. Each kid was given a laptop to take home and use at school. However, some parents found that the laptops were farking RECORDING VIDEO when they were at home, so there was a ton of questionable content on them because they were somehow set to record video when they were at home. I never heard what became of it, but I'd imagine there was some kind of large settlement. The 'justification' was that some students might steal their laptops and so recording video of them or their rooms while they were sleeping was fair game.
Now this?
Come on people..if you think this won't be used against you/your children, you're sorely mistaken. Looks like Timmy's heart rate is up and his O2 level is down and it's 1AM..I bet he's getting molested. Summon the police!
Atheist_Republican
2012-01-12 02:46:44 AM
Subby is trolling you guys. The article does not say the school is requiring them. The schools only have 25 monitors each which they hand out during gym classes (for just the gym class duration), and parents have to
opt their kid in
in order for the kids to participate in the week-long program which tracks activity at home.
Peki
2012-01-12 02:54:12 AM
WorldCitizen
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Creepy.
"Well, we see Tommy's heart rate is up again right before going to sleep."
Yeah, information like that is exactly why I wouldn't want my kid to have one of these. I really don't need to know.
profplump
2012-01-12 02:54:20 AM
Atheist_Republican
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opt their kid in
A) Parents opting in children is only one step away from wardens opting in inmates
B) Even if the study is optional, it's still not properly administered, and should be disallowed on that basis alone
Cyno01
2012-01-12 03:08:40 AM
Hrist
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Remember the last time tracking devices were tried on kids? I think it was with laptops. Each kid was given a laptop to take home and use at school. However, some parents found that the laptops were farking RECORDING VIDEO when they were at home, so there was a ton of questionable content on them because they were somehow set to record video when they were at home. I never heard what became of it, but I'd imagine there was some kind of large settlement. The 'justification' was that some students might steal their laptops and so recording video of them or their rooms while they were sleeping was fair game.
Now this?
Come on people..if you think this won't be used against you/your children, you're sorely mistaken. Looks like Timmy's heart rate is up and his O2 level is down and it's 1AM..I bet he's getting molested. Summon the police!
Last i heard about the laptop thing there hasnt been a resolution, but the district threw their IT guy under the bus and was also blaming the software manufacturer who sold whatever to them.
gadian
2012-01-12 03:26:07 AM
So its kind of like the wolf with a tracking collar my office was watching. That farker walked thousands of miles, across rivers, over mountains and some times just ran around in circles chasing its tail. Then, one day, it stopped moving. I can just imagine some tech watching a kid's activity pattern when then the activity stops and never starts up again.
shooosh
2012-01-12 03:29:09 AM
Atheist_Republican
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Subby is trolling you guys. The article does not say the school is requiring them. The schools only have 25 monitors each which they hand out during gym classes (for just the gym class duration), and parents have to opt their kid in in order for the kids to participate in the week-long program which tracks activity at home.
Yeah, that's how it starts.
Terrified Asexual Forcemeat
2012-01-12 03:40:12 AM
If this bill passes, I will personally beat up ten children.
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