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2012-01-11 08:03:46 PM
Is it wrong that this makes me a little sad?

I mean...On the one hand, I find it staggering that filmmakers have tools like this available. Obviously, you can do amazing things with them. On the other, being able to create whole universes "in post" just seems like a HELL of a lot of cheating. Location scouts, makeup people and set builders deserve jobs, too. Why even bother shooting ANYTHING in actual living, breathing meatspace when you can just task it out to a render farm?
 
2012-01-11 08:27:37 PM

MaxxLarge: Is it wrong that this makes me a little sad?

I mean...On the one hand, I find it staggering that filmmakers have tools like this available. Obviously, you can do amazing things with them. On the other, being able to create whole universes "in post" just seems like a HELL of a lot of cheating. Location scouts, makeup people and set builders deserve jobs, too. Why even bother shooting ANYTHING in actual living, breathing meatspace when you can just task it out to a render farm?


So, you believe this response to your post was done by a human, and not by Drew's bot farm?
 
2012-01-11 08:42:29 PM
I see that and I figure with the right training and software I could do something like that given about four maybe five years.

How long does it take professionals to do just one of those scenes? Is it 3 people 2 days? 10 people a week? One guy in an afternoon? (And I understand that some of backgrounds are things they can use over and over in the life of a series.)
 
2012-01-11 08:43:59 PM
Even though it's no where near as advanced as the CGI in the Star Wars prequels (would have you believe), it works for me because, unlike the prequels, the characters and plot are compelling and interesting. Plus, we're not trying to create Mustafar here, Jersey can be a little more realistic.

/volcanic in its own right
 
2012-01-11 08:47:16 PM
Give it 20 years and they'll be making movies that are 100% cgi (including the actors) and we won't be able to tell the difference between them and reality.
 
2012-01-11 09:07:40 PM
CGI has ruined most movies.
 
2012-01-11 09:11:01 PM

9beers: Give it 20 years and they'll be making movies that are 100% cgi (including the actors) and we won't be able to tell the difference between them and reality.


According to Al Pacino...

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/maybe the worst movie I've ever seen
 
2012-01-11 09:11:56 PM
Do I have this right?

There are people who thought that guy's face really looked like that?

Or am I just really drunk and misreading the whole thing?
 
2012-01-11 09:14:41 PM

trueaustinite: Do I have this right?

There are people who thought that guy's face really looked like that?

Or am I just really drunk and misreading the whole thing?


I am kind of tickled to think that everytime Huston has to act, he has to do that half grimace. I imagine it would be surreal to see it in action.
 
2012-01-11 09:14:52 PM

trueaustinite: Do I have this right?

There are people who thought that guy's face really looked like that?

Or am I just really drunk and misreading the whole thing?


Once upon a time that would have been done with makeup in the real world.
 
2012-01-11 09:20:51 PM

RoyBatty: I see that and I figure with the right training and software I could do something like that given about four maybe five years.

How long does it take professionals to do just one of those scenes? Is it 3 people 2 days? 10 people a week? One guy in an afternoon? (And I understand that some of backgrounds are things they can use over and over in the life of a series.)


I also wonder how long it takes to learn how to design and shoot a scene that is ready for the post-production touches.
 
2012-01-11 09:38:25 PM
Man.. you guys are really full of shiat.

MaxxLarge: Location scouts, makeup people and set builders deserve jobs, too. Why even bother shooting ANYTHING in actual living, breathing meatspace when you can just task it out to a render farm?


Location scouts, makeup people, and set builders are still entirely needed on set. They still have jobs. And the render farm isn't doing the creative work, it requires actual talented human individuals to create the effects convincingly.

RoyBatty: I see that and I figure with the right training and software I could do something like that given about four maybe five years.


If you're a naturally talented artist, maybe.. most people would not be able to do it professionally in that time-frame.. and if you suck at art or computer ability, you'd never be able to do it.

Seriously people don't give these guys enough credit, advancements in filming technology has been rapidly changing the medium since it was invented.. doesn't make it any less authentic.
 
2012-01-11 09:39:05 PM

ABQGOD: I also wonder how long it takes to learn how to design and shoot a scene that is ready for the post-production touches.


So that's another question: is there a community college, state school with extension courses, that I can learn how to do this shiat at?
 
2012-01-11 09:40:18 PM

Smagma: If you're a naturally talented artist, maybe.. most people would not be able to do it professionally in that time-frame.. and if you suck at art or computer ability, you'd never be able to do it.Seriously people don't give these guys enough credit, advancements in filming technology has been rapidly changing the medium since it was invented.. doesn't make it any less authentic.


I'm pretty sure it's just learning a bunch of menus.
 
2012-01-11 09:40:22 PM
ok i screwed up a bit with the quoting
 
2012-01-11 10:11:44 PM

RoyBatty: Smagma: If you're a naturally talented artist, maybe.. most people would not be able to do it professionally in that time-frame.. and if you suck at art or computer ability, you'd never be able to do it.Seriously people don't give these guys enough credit, advancements in filming technology has been rapidly changing the medium since it was invented.. doesn't make it any less authentic.

I'm pretty sure it's just learning a bunch of menus.


No shiat. Any jackass could fark around with the blur tool and pull off comparable shots.
 
2012-01-11 11:29:40 PM

Smagma:

Seriously people don't give these guys enough credit, advancements in filming technology has been rapidly changing the medium since it was invented.. doesn't make it any less authentic.


Absolutely right. Tell you what, I've been crazy about WWII aircraft since I was a kid in the '60's building Monogram models, and I love the fact that I can now see this Link (new window)
 
2012-01-11 11:39:38 PM

mooseyfate: RoyBatty: Smagma: If you're a naturally talented artist, maybe.. most people would not be able to do it professionally in that time-frame.. and if you suck at art or computer ability, you'd never be able to do it.Seriously people don't give these guys enough credit, advancements in filming technology has been rapidly changing the medium since it was invented.. doesn't make it any less authentic.

I'm pretty sure it's just learning a bunch of menus.

No shiat. Any jackass could fark around with the blur tool and pull off comparable shots.


I should probably note that I haven't actually seen the video posted here.. purposely avoided it because I want to watch the this series without being spoiled. So I don't know what's being shown, I was just speaking in general terms.
 
2012-01-11 11:44:12 PM

Cuchulane: Smagma:

Seriously people don't give these guys enough credit, advancements in filming technology has been rapidly changing the medium since it was invented.. doesn't make it any less authentic.

Absolutely right. Tell you what, I've been crazy about WWII aircraft since I was a kid in the '60's building Monogram models, and I love the fact that I can now see this Link (new window)


I want to see that on the big screen. Um, right now on a 23" display in 720p, it's very clearly still at the cartoon stage, with enormous differences between the live action and the cartoon planes in the sky.

Really good, but almost uncanny valley in "you're doing it wrong."
 
2012-01-11 11:46:42 PM

Smagma: I should probably note that I haven't actually seen the video posted here.. purposely avoided it because I want to watch the this series without being spoiled. So I don't know what's being shown, I was just speaking in general terms.


Boardwalk Empire? This is the first I've heard of it, and the video is a good tease. It actually looked better to me than the Red Tails video Cuchulane just posted.
 
2012-01-11 11:58:35 PM

RoyBatty:

I want to see that on the big screen. Um, right now on a 23" display in 720p, it's very clearly still at the cartoon stage, with enormous differences between the live action and the cartoon planes in the sky.

Really good, but almost uncanny valley in "you're doing it wrong."


Given that I grew up watching actors sitting in fake cockpits in front of projections and the action consisted of close ups of fake wing guns twinkling cut with blurry stock footage, it's light years ahead.
 
2012-01-12 02:28:16 AM
Now I'm just bummed at all the season two stuff I missed.
 
2012-01-12 03:21:45 AM
A lot of rendering can take up to months.... nuts
 
2012-01-12 11:29:11 AM
Can you tell it's CGI when you're watching the show? I mean, the CGI is good, I'm sure nothing looks fake, but doesn't everything being fake leave you with a certain je ne sais quoi? Star Wars prequels are like that for me.

Even when no individual thing looks fake, something about the overall "texture of reality" in CGI movies leaves a different taste in my mouth.

That being said, I love watching these FX reels. There's another somewhere for Game of Thrones, if you missed it.
 
2012-01-12 11:50:18 AM
very cool

/cannot wait to see season 3!!
 
2012-01-12 01:30:02 PM
i'd rather watch a old monster movie with godzilla smashing up a painstakingly made set with model planes on string buzzing around and little fireworks type rockets spitting out from toy tanks or some harryhausen stop motion stuff. i like looking at things that were actually made even if it is only a half dozen light bulbs around a circular frame that made up flash gordon's teleview screeen in the 1930's.
 
2012-01-12 08:20:07 PM

starlost: i'd rather watch a old monster movie with godzilla smashing up a painstakingly made set with model planes on string buzzing around and little fireworks type rockets spitting out from toy tanks or some harryhausen stop motion stuff. i like looking at things that were actually made even if it is only a half dozen light bulbs around a circular frame that made up flash gordon's teleview screeen in the 1930's.


....Good for you? Nothing wrong with nostalgia. But those special effects don't hold a candle to the impressive things they can do now. Do you really think if Harryhausen was in his prime today instead of way back when, he'd be using clay and stopmotion animation? Doubtful. He was a product of his times and he made excellent use of the tools at his disposal in near-genius ways. I have no doubt he would do the same if he were in this generation of FX wizards.

/either that or he'd never figure out how to work a mouse and die in poverty
 
2012-01-13 12:48:11 AM

starlost: i'd rather watch a old monster movie with godzilla smashing up a painstakingly made set with model planes on string buzzing around and little fireworks type rockets spitting out from toy tanks or some harryhausen stop motion stuff. i like looking at things that were actually made even if it is only a half dozen light bulbs around a circular frame that made up flash gordon's teleview screeen in the 1930's.


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2012-01-13 03:47:32 AM
It's actually kind of staggering how much was composited. Especialy that train out the window scene which should have been no more then 3 shots. the window, the crossing w/ actors, and the train.

It is pretty amazing though how much compositing they can do without the need to use a chroma key for removal AND have smooth camera panning with rotation.
 
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