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(Talking Points Memo)   James O'Keefe did us all the favor of filming himself conspiring to commit felony vote fraud in New Hampshire yesterday   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 297
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2012-01-11 08:29:21 PM
theorellior: Ahh, another perfect example of the Backpfeifengesicht.

Thank you. People NEED to use this word more often.
 
2012-01-11 08:30:08 PM
RandomExcess: blah bligh box voting still OK.

Sorry - pet peeve.
 
2012-01-11 08:31:48 PM
Aarontology: I guess this is why the GOP is always up in arms about vote fraud They're the ones committing it.

Really classy the way they used the names of recently deceased Democrats to commit their crimes too. They have no respect for the dead or their families.
 
2012-01-11 08:32:09 PM
Tingle007: Corvus: They better fully charge him. If they don't they will just being showing that you can get away with voter fraud.

I think he proved you can get away with voter fraud. If he hadn't taped it no one would know.

Watch the vid you'll notice he hands back the ballots.

If you think no one else has tried this without taping it, your naive.


What part of "illegal" don't you understand?
 
2012-01-11 08:33:41 PM
BitwiseShift: O'Keefe's get out of jail card is an entitlement open only to Republican operative graduates of their Leadership Institute.

He used it in Louisana when he "penetrated" Senator Landrieu's federal office and sabotaged their phone system.

Probably the son of a NH republican DA or other official was also purposely invited to be involved and the whole thing will quietly go away.


That's exactly what happened in Louisiana.
 
2012-01-11 08:34:19 PM
You have to break or disobey the laws you think are unjust in order to change the system/laws.

Like OWS camping out in Biscotti Park.
Or taking a crap on a bus like Rosa Parks instead of using the blacks only bathroom.
 
2012-01-11 08:36:14 PM
Giltric: You have to break or disobey the laws you think are unjust in order to change the system/laws.

Like OWS camping out in Biscotti Park.
Or taking a crap on a bus like Rosa Parks instead of using the blacks only bathroom.


I agree. The mere fraction of a percent of a percent of election fraud justifies an overhaul of the system when all legislative measures have failed. Oh wait...
 
2012-01-11 08:36:57 PM
I do think that it's nice that he may sacrifice his freedom and cash for his cause. Very brave. Of course, he would go to a cushy country club minimum security, but as a Federal crime, he can lose his own right to vote. Ever. Which would be delicious irony...
 
2012-01-11 08:37:03 PM
I guess dickheads like this loser really are the next big thing for the GOP. Once they realized they could buy their own massive propaganda network and stock it with people paid to lie out their ass 24/7 it was only a matter of time until they started dabbling in outright and brazen criminality to push their insane agendas.
 
2012-01-11 08:39:44 PM
Tingle007: Corvus: They better fully charge him. If they don't they will just being showing that you can get away with voter fraud.

I think he proved you can get away with voter fraud. If he hadn't taped it no one would know.

Watch the vid you'll notice he hands back the ballots.

If you think no one else has tried this without taping it, your naive.


it's not a problem. all the investigations ,all the studies,they all say that there is no appreciable amount of fraud going on. but there is the real chance that voter suppression is going to affect the vote. along with the lack of voting machines in "certain" neighborhoods. voter caging. phone jamming. mailers sent out with the wrong dates and poll locations on them. hackneyed felons lists. misprinted ballots that have Pat Buchanan winning with the Jewish communities in Fla. Brooks bros riots to stop recounts. And Diebold with their proprietary software.
 
2012-01-11 08:40:28 PM
HotWingConspiracy: Explain how what they attempted to do can be performed on a large scale.

Does it matter if there's not thousands doing it? Elections can be pretty close sometimes.

odinsposse: Oh, if only there was some record of people who died who would then be regularly removed from the voting registry. That seems impossible in this stone age, horse and buggy world of ours.

And yet... still they're on the voting rolls. Why?

LordJiro: It's on the side of those who count the votes.

You and I both know there's never been any study showing that voter fraud occurs anywhere. There's a good reason for that. Nobody wants to know how unsecured their elections actually are.
 
2012-01-11 08:41:55 PM
Hobodeluxe: Aarontology: I guess this is why the GOP is always up in arms about vote fraud They're the ones committing it.

Really classy the way they used the names of recently deceased Democrats to commit their crimes too. They have no respect for the dead or their families.


I wonder if he could be sued by the families of the people he tried to impersonate.
 
2012-01-11 08:43:19 PM
Giltric: You have to break or disobey the laws you think are unjust in order to change the system/laws.

Like OWS camping out in Biscotti Park.
Or taking a crap on a bus like Rosa Parks instead of using the blacks only bathroom.


As I recall, Emerson, King, Ghandi, and all the other activists who engaged in civil disobedience went o jail. And they weren't even on probation to begin with.
Being the dedicated social activist that he is, he should be proud to do his time behind bars.
 
2012-01-11 08:49:27 PM
I think James O'Keefe and his "good like thinking friends" need a better hobby.

Have they ever considered buying or making costumes to dress up their penises (NSFW), NSFW.

That way they could be edgy in private, sitting around admiring each others penises in makeup and/or costumes, knowing full well that they are naughty because if they did this in public they would get arrested.
 
2012-01-11 08:49:34 PM
coeyagi: Giltric: You have to break or disobey the laws you think are unjust in order to change the system/laws.

Like OWS camping out in Biscotti Park.
Or taking a crap on a bus like Rosa Parks instead of using the blacks only bathroom.

I agree. The mere fraction of a percent of a percent of election fraud justifies an overhaul of the system when all legislative measures have failed. Oh wait...


Is this really any time to talk? Minorities might be voting!
 
2012-01-11 08:50:04 PM
coeyagi: epoc_tnac: Douche is a tool, but it's still kind of strange that you don't need ID to vote.

The little old lady with no ID and very little cash to go pay for one disagrees.

//voting - constitutionally guaranteed, unlike cigarettes, booze and anything else conservatrolls use as justification for why voting should be beholden to IDs.™


The various states that have been trying to implement vote id requirements included FREE voter cards that could be obtained by mail using as little as a utlity bill as proof of residency. But continue to stay ignorant.
 
2012-01-11 08:52:07 PM
cman: Its unlikely that he would be charged, and if he was, he would probably not be convicted.

Its like that chick from Florida who could go topless to protest the laws of toplessness, but otherwise could be arrested being topless without protesting.


Why can men go topless and women cannot? Sexism. Now I will freely grant you, womens boobs are WAY better than mens boobs. However, I am a man and I recognize a woman may not feel the same way. Therefore the reason is sexism.
 
2012-01-11 08:53:16 PM
kasmel: epoc_tnac: Douche is a tool, but it's still kind of strange that you don't need ID to vote.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


At first I was trying to figure out how that Constitututional Amendment applied to voter id. Then i realized you are a farking moron.
 
2012-01-11 08:55:37 PM
OgreMagi: kasmel: epoc_tnac: Douche is a tool, but it's still kind of strange that you don't need ID to vote.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

At first I was trying to figure out how that Constitututional Amendment applied to voter id. Then i realized you are a farking moron.


I'll bet he's smart enough to know that the Constitution says what the courts say it says, and not what armchair scholars think it says.
 
2012-01-11 08:59:27 PM
If rethugligans really wanted to win the people over with their voter ID laws, they'd pay a bunch of illegals to try and vote.
 
2012-01-11 09:01:11 PM
I'm glad sad to see this criminal scumbag American hero get caught framed. I hope he gets jailtime. he escapes Fartbongo's clutches.

/brought to you by Andrew Brietbart
 
2012-01-11 09:02:43 PM
HairBolus: Have they ever considered buying or making costumes to dress up their penises (NSFW), NSFW.

WTF.

The dress made me laugh.

I feel dirty for looking.
 
2012-01-11 09:07:17 PM
coeyagi: beta_plus: But stealing top secret documents from the federal government and putting them on wikileaks is still A-OK for Fark Libs! Because those guys meant well!

/those Voter IDs would be free if we didn't spend so much on entitlements

0/10. You're frothing more than Santorum talking about gays.


I know. It's OK when liberals break the law to prove a point, but treason when conservatives do. Got it.

/you talk a lot about gays and Santorum
//NTTAWWT
///but you should get a tetanus shot and take some antibiotics anyway just in case
 
2012-01-11 09:13:32 PM
Tingle007: He just proved that New Hampshire is violating the law by keeping them on the voting registers.

What law would that be exactly?
 
2012-01-11 09:13:44 PM
Mrbogey: odinsposse: Oh, if only there was some record of people who died who would then be regularly removed from the voting registry. That seems impossible in this stone age, horse and buggy world of ours.

And yet... still they're on the voting rolls. Why?


The record keepers have to be careful about removing dead people from the rolls because sometimes they end up being alive.

LordJiro: It's on the side of those who count the votes.

You and I both know there's never been any study showing that voter fraud occurs anywhere. There's a good reason for that. Nobody wants to know how unsecured their elections actually are.


Yes, it's a conspiracy and the fact that there's little evidence of voter fraud is proof that it is running rampant.
 
2012-01-11 09:15:18 PM
RexTalionis: Oh, please, somebody charge him. He's such an obnoxious tool (and I should know, I went to college with him).

Is that him in the pic? The inset that looks like he just needs a caption reading "Douchebag Defined"? That's the kind of person you want to just slap the smug right off his face--with a tire iron.
 
2012-01-11 09:19:18 PM
Gyrfalcon: RexTalionis: Oh, please, somebody charge him. He's such an obnoxious tool (and I should know, I went to college with him).

Is that him in the pic? The inset that looks like he just needs a caption reading "Douchebag Defined"? That's the kind of person you want to just slap the smug right off his face--with a tire iron.


Now that's not nice - we can't go whacking folks with tire irons just because they are assholes.
That's what jail is for.
 
2012-01-11 09:21:52 PM
If you admire a douche like O'Keefe, you have some serious problems.
 
2012-01-11 09:23:14 PM
beta_plus: It's OK when liberals break the law to prove a point, but treason when conservatives do. Got it.

Ah, the old "got it" line where conservative trolls attempt to deflect from the situation at hand by going "BUT LOOK! BUT LOOK! LOOK AT WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE DID!" -- akin to Richard Ramirez attempting to get off the hook by saying "B-B-BUT TED BUNDY!" to the judge -- and then imagine they actually had a salient point with not only their false dichotomy but the sheer bumbling stupidity of their attempts at divination.

And an account registration date of 2011-07-08. You aren't even one of those fancy retards from some twenty-member "politics forum" echo chamber still decorated with tiled animated gifs of turkeys covered in glitter that the admin was too lazy to change after Thanksgiving and filled with posts about how some fat pig had her husband load his S&W .44 and drive to the corner store to pick her up after a couple of black men had the audacity to walk by her while being black that registers an account on Fark years in advance and keeps it on ice for the purposes of "entertaining" us old-timers with your spastic, helmet-wearing antics. You're just a lazy slob of a retard.
 
2012-01-11 09:29:13 PM
ACORN voter registration fraud: killing our democracy

James O'Keefe actual voter fraud: saving the country

I don't see why that's so hard to understand
 
2012-01-11 09:30:05 PM
I'm for dropping all charges in exchange for giving this tool a nice, solid cockpunch, preferably delivered by Rowdy Roddy Piper.
 
2012-01-11 09:30:12 PM
beta_plus: derp

www.memecat.com
 
2012-01-11 09:34:03 PM
cman: Its unlikely that he would be charged, and if he was, he would probably not be convicted.

You're right of course, even though it stinks of conspiracy.
 
2012-01-11 09:36:12 PM
Gyrfalcon: RexTalionis: Oh, please, somebody charge him. He's such an obnoxious tool (and I should know, I went to college with him).

Is that him in the pic? The inset that looks like he just needs a caption reading "Douchebag Defined"? That's the kind of person you want to just slap the smug right off his face--with a tire iron.


I should've given him a smack upside the chance back when he was holding meetings at the house I rented.
 
2012-01-11 09:37:02 PM
coinspinner: Looks like it was just his "affiliates" who were recorded. He's still on probation after the whole phone-tapping thing in Landrieu's office, so I'm sure he kept mostly clear of this. That's what dupes are for.

If he knew about, and lent any sort of aid or support to the scheme, that would a) be a violation of his probation, and b) be enough to make him guilty of aiding and abetting.

Jimmy might just go to prison after all.
 
2012-01-11 09:38:12 PM
bulldg4life: I love that there are people defending him.

So how does that make any sense? They are against the weak voting fraud laws so they think he should get off for voter fraud?

I know Republicans have no cognitive dissonance but I don't think I'll ever get used to it.
 
2012-01-11 09:40:09 PM
lilbjorn: cman: Its unlikely that he would be charged, and if he was, he would probably not be convicted.

You're right of course, even though it stinks of conspiracy.


Depending on what the evidence shows his involvement was, if any, conspiracy is another charge he could face. Conspiracy liability alone could win him years in prison. I wouldn't think a prison term likely in a case like this, if he was involved, except that he's already on probation, and I believe a convicted felon.
 
2012-01-11 09:40:27 PM
MANCHESTER, N.H. - A mystery man trying to vote in the New Hampshire primary using a dead man's name got caught by an eagle-eyed voting supervisor in Manchester, then disappeared before police could corral him.

"We take a lot of pride in this primary," Gloria Pilotte, the Ward 9 supervisor who stopped the voter fraud, told the Herald. "I'm very confident about the way we do this in New Hampshire."

The unknown man, dressed in a suit and tie, did not say why he was trying to vote as the recently deceased person and would not identify any group he was representing.

"He said 'You'll soon find out,'" Pilotte tells the Herald.


He was caught, wasn't allowed to vote, ran out before the police got there, and THIS is the story the right wing is running with?
 
2012-01-11 09:45:09 PM
Dr. Mojo PhD: And an account registration date of 2011-07-08.

Whoa, beta_plus is that new? It feels like forever since he began threadshiatting.
 
2012-01-11 09:45:13 PM
Nuff Said McFarky: If O'Queef didn't go to PMITA prison for trying to phone tap an elected official's office in a federal building (which, IIRC, also housed the local FBI branch!), he's not going to get in trouble for this. Which is a shame.

Except that now he's on probation and a convicted felon. If it's proved he was involved, I think he'll do a little time.
 
2012-01-11 09:46:11 PM
oops
 
2012-01-11 09:46:49 PM
www.motifake.com

Mandatory in any OKeefe thread.
 
2012-01-11 09:50:11 PM
Corvus: I know Republicans have no cognitive dissonance but I don't think I'll ever get used to it.

Don't worry, the Democrats got enough for everyone.
 
2012-01-11 09:51:05 PM
heinekenftw: HairBolus: Have they ever considered buying or making costumes to dress up their penises (NSFW), NSFW.

The dress made me laugh.
I feel dirty for looking.


As a pointless fetish that probably exists under rule 34. I looked whether if it has been given a name. The closest I can find is:
"Kokigami: the wrapping of the penis in a paper costume" (as a "performance enhancer")
I have yet to come across any term for playing dressup and/or makeup with a penis as just an art form (as shown in some of the pics I linked to) - say among guys who are "not gay" but obsessed with their junk.
 
2012-01-11 09:52:53 PM
Where I'm from, the only person I know of who's ever gotten prosecuted for vote fraud was the Republican twin brother of one of our Republican city councilmen, who fraudulently voted for George W. Bush using his ex-boyfriend's absentee ballot. And yes, that was one of the 300 some odd votes that decided the presidency.

The fraudulent vote was only discovered because it was an especially nasty breakup and the ex-boyfriend decided to turn him over the stolen absentee ballot.

/but no, a Republican would never deliberately try to change the outcome of an election through fraud
 
2012-01-11 09:55:46 PM
RexTalionis: Gyrfalcon: RexTalionis: Oh, please, somebody charge him. He's such an obnoxious tool (and I should know, I went to college with him).

Is that him in the pic? The inset that looks like he just needs a caption reading "Douchebag Defined"? That's the kind of person you want to just slap the smug right off his face--with a tire iron.

I should've given him a smack upside the chance back when he was holding meetings at the house I rented.


Fine. So we can blame this idiot's subsequent rise to power on you! ;) You had your chance and you missed out!
 
2012-01-11 10:04:13 PM
downpaymentblues: MANCHESTER, N.H. - A mystery man trying to vote in the New Hampshire primary using a dead man's name got caught by an eagle-eyed voting supervisor in Manchester, then disappeared before police could corral him.

"We take a lot of pride in this primary," Gloria Pilotte, the Ward 9 supervisor who stopped the voter fraud, told the Herald. "I'm very confident about the way we do this in New Hampshire."

The unknown man, dressed in a suit and tie, did not say why he was trying to vote as the recently deceased person and would not identify any group he was representing.

"He said 'You'll soon find out,'" Pilotte tells the Herald.

He was caught, wasn't allowed to vote, ran out before the police got there, and THIS is the story the right wing is running with?


On guy in this thread tried to spin some crap about how he "saw him giving the ballots back on the video", utterly ignoring TFA and the fact that they were caught, and pretending he voluntarily fessed up.
Of course, all the evidence that you need that he intended mischief is that he could have easily approached this in a legal manner, by contacting the registrar of voters and expressing his concerns, and then invoking the press if they tried to stonewall him.
This guy will interface with reality when,and only when his shenanigans are subject to the due process of law. And there's no need to toss him in a deep hole or anything - a few months in County for violating probation, and a slap on the wrist for these stunts should do it - he looks like the type that would break pretty easily, to me.
 
2012-01-11 10:18:23 PM
Isn't he already on probation for wiretapping or trying to wiretap the office of a US Senator?

Surely commuting more crimes while already on probation isn't a wise choice.
 
2012-01-11 10:20:51 PM
bugontherug: Nuff Said McFarky: If O'Queef didn't go to PMITA prison for trying to phone tap an elected official's office in a federal building (which, IIRC, also housed the local FBI branch!), he's not going to get in trouble for this. Which is a shame.

Except that now he's on probation and a convicted felon. If it's proved he was involved, I think he'll do a little time.


The charges were downgraded to misdemeanors. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the RNC tries to grease the palms of the NH DA to let O'Keefe off with a slap on the wrist, like what happened in LA. Otherwise, the Derp Squad will scream "TREASON!!1!" when the poor, patriotic O'Keefe is railroaded by the RINO DA and the LIEburul activist judge for daring to expose the Dem-o-RAT's widespread, nonexistent voting fraud schemes.
 
2012-01-11 10:21:12 PM
The Homer Tax: Isn't he already on probation for wiretapping or trying to wiretap the office of a US Senator?

Surely commuting more crimes while already on probation isn't a wise choice.


doesn't sound like he was directly involved
 
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