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2012-01-11 03:47:55 PM  

Mugato: Jesus Christ, it's like I'm talking to myself. Yes, the story, the concept was Lucas'. How it was executed, the CGI that Spielberg always said he'd be light on, the script that Lucas didn't write, the casting and actor direction, the action direction was Spielberg.


No, you're just too damn stubborn to realize how wrong you are. I've presented proof to back up my claims, all you've done is fling cgi monkey poop at the walls. The only blame Spielberg deserves is for not fighting harder to keep the movie from being the pile of crap that it was. Since he never wanted to make it in the first place, can you really blame him for giving in to everything Lucas wanted? If you think that Spielberg could have just cut the entire cgi scene involving sword fights on moving vehicles and Shia swinging with cgi monkeys, you're totally ignoring everything I've said.
 
wee
2012-01-11 03:50:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: whoa, you have some serious racist problems.


It's almost as if I wrote those stereotypes into the scripts, huh?

Ant: If you've played KOTOR, it seems like that's the case.


Makes sense. In any case, they're non-white and it's George Lucas, so they have to be some sort of caricature...
 
2012-01-11 03:52:52 PM  

elgripe: Cowritten by Aaron MacGruder, too.

Movie looks awesome.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-01-11 03:53:21 PM  

Mugato: GoodyearPimp: Hate to dig this up, but I've heard it said that the decision to draft James Earl Jones as the voice of Vader (after the movie had been shot using the actual actor's voice was due to a perceived lack of acceptance in the US for a movie that was entirely white. So it's not as if Lucas is unfamiliar with racial issues and the silver screen.

/This anecdote was told to me by David Prowse.

David Prowse's delivery is on youtube and it's clear that no one in their right mind planned to actually use him and it was for reference purposes.


For some reason, this exchange reminded me of Brick Vader (new window)
 
2012-01-11 03:54:29 PM  
I'm surprised the studios didn't want to pick this one up. It looks terrible, so it seems like it would be right up their alley.

Also, hasn't Cuba already done this movie but in a dive suit? :P Just kidding, Men of Honor was actually somewhat respectable whereas this looks like a joke. I think if you're going to tell a story of this nature, it should have a more serious tone rather than looking like a crappy Michael Bay movie set to hip hop music.
 
2012-01-11 03:55:42 PM  

PillsHere: I'm surprised the studios didn't want to pick this one up. It looks terrible, so it seems like it would be right up their alley.

Also, hasn't Cuba already done this movie but in a dive suit? :P Just kidding, Men of Honor was actually somewhat respectable whereas this looks like a joke. I think if you're going to tell a story of this nature, it should have a more serious tone rather than looking like a crappy Michael Bay movie set to hip hop music.


It looks terrible, but was costly, and stars blacks.

1 out of 3 ain't bad.
 
2012-01-11 03:57:34 PM  
I was at a test screening for this. My only comment was urging them to take out the scene where one plane drops a piece of linoleum on a German cruiser's deck and a following plane starts spinning on one wing on said linoleum.

It's just disrespectful to the memory of Sir Adolpho Shaba Doo.
 
2012-01-11 03:59:04 PM  

Vodka Zombie: FTFA: "It's one of the first, all-black action pictures ever made."

[media.tumblr.com image 400x267]
Whatever you say, George (new window).


That's all he's doing here. Remaking The Tuskegee Airmen with unemployable black actors. Terrence Howard and Cuba? Sheesh.
 
2012-01-11 04:01:58 PM  
There hasn't been a decent big budget WW2 fighter plane movie since Midway came out in 1976 (and that one barely manages to not suck.) I've been looking forward to this for years just to see some kickass dogfighting!

/Glad the Tuskeegee Airmen are getting some recognition, too
//Still waiting for a passable movie about the Lafayette Escadrille
///or a good battleship movie about Leyte Gulf, for that matter
 
2012-01-11 04:03:44 PM  
George Lucas was on the Daily Show the other night plugging this.

They showed a clip.

Actual dialogue:

In the heat of a dogfight: "Congratulations, [character name]! You're the first Negro to ever kill an enemy in air combat." (or something like that)

That's some great screenwriting there, Lou.

/Lucas is planning on a trilogy of this -- one prequel and one sequel.
//You Have Been Warned
///The Nazis shoot first
 
2012-01-11 04:13:38 PM  

Tax Boy: George Lucas was on the Daily Show the other night plugging this.

They showed a clip.

Actual dialogue:

In the heat of a dogfight: "Congratulations, [character name]! You're the first Negro to ever kill an enemy in air combat." (or something like that)

That's some great screenwriting there, Lou.

/Lucas is planning on a trilogy of this -- one prequel and one sequel.
//You Have Been Warned
///The Nazis shoot first


Um, where do you think the article got its info from?

Look, I occasionally "DNRTFA", but I don't start mouthing off about the origins of the information, I'll just make some sarcastic remark about the douchebag celebrity or politician in question.
 
2012-01-11 04:13:51 PM  

Tax Boy: In the heat of a dogfight: "Congratulations, [character name]! You're the first Negro to ever kill an enemy in air combat." (or something like that)


After admitting to committing an act of genocide against a desert culture.

"To be angry is to be human".

Lucas has grown and developed in my opinion. ugh. Mac and Microsoft need to agree to build in a Lucas sensing word processor lock.
 
2012-01-11 04:15:17 PM  

PillsHere: I'm surprised the studios didn't want to pick this one up. It looks terrible, so it seems like it would be right up their alley.

Also, hasn't Cuba already done this movie but in a dive suit? :P Just kidding, Men of Honor was actually somewhat respectable whereas this looks like a joke. I think if you're going to tell a story of this nature, it should have a more serious tone rather than looking like a crappy Michael Bay movie set to hip hop music.


/tyvm
 
2012-01-11 04:20:54 PM  

Tax Boy: George Lucas was on the Daily Show the other night plugging this.

They showed a clip.

Actual dialogue:

In the heat of a dogfight: "Congratulations, [character name]! You're the first Negro to ever kill an enemy in air combat." (or something like that)

That's some great screenwriting there, Lou.



Psst. He didn't write the dialog.
 
2012-01-11 04:22:15 PM  

Tax Boy: George Lucas was on the Daily Show the other night plugging this.

They showed a clip.

Actual dialogue:

In the heat of a dogfight: "Congratulations, [character name]! You're the first Negro to ever kill an enemy in air combat." (or something like that)

That's some great screenwriting there, Lou.

/Lucas is planning on a trilogy of this -- one prequel and one sequel.
//You Have Been Warned
///The Nazis shoot first


As a great man once said, "George, you can type this shiat, but you sure as hell can't say it."
 
2012-01-11 04:28:39 PM  

wee: Hmmm, maybe the Sandpeople are supposed to Arabs?


Tuaregs is my guess.

Fremen were Arabs.

/Binks is far from the only racial stereotype in Star Wars
 
2012-01-11 04:29:07 PM  

wee: I saw him on TDS. It was very awkward. Felt kinda bad for him, actually.

Although I've never quite managed to figure out what racial stereotype the Sandpeople were supposed to be. The Jawas were Mexican migrant workers, Episode 1 had the Asian Federation people and Step-n-fetchit Binks. The thing who owned Anakin was Jewish, I think. Hmmm, maybe the Sandpeople are supposed to Arabs?


Well, they did have a head that was literally covered in rags.
 
2012-01-11 04:37:30 PM  

EleventyOne: Men of Honor


I hated hated hated this movie because it spent so much time on formula instead of an interesting, unique story. Complete scriptwriter fail.

That movie spent 2 hours of screen time on the least interesting part: the military training, overcoming racism, earning the respect of the "drill sergeant" etc., which has been done to death in so many other movies, and often better.

Towards the end, the character loses his leg in a heroic mission and has to go through hell with the Navy to get reinstated. This whole part of the movie, which is actually INTERESTING and has lots of character development and arc, gets completely glossed over in about 20 minutes.

They got the plot balance completely wrong.
 
2012-01-11 04:38:11 PM  

Quasar: "HOW YOU LIKE THAT, MR. HITLER?!"

Between that hilarious line and the fact that half the commercials are all "dramatic war/race movie" and the other half are dogfights and explosions set to rap music, it's kind of amusing watching the marketing campaign churning.



If it was a serious movie I might be interested... But from the commercials it looks like it should be called "Current Black Stereotypes Win the War".

And now that I know George Lucas had his stupid hack fingers in it what little chance I had of seeing it has dropped to no chance at all. I refuse to give him any more money.
 
2012-01-11 04:45:22 PM  
"All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree." -
Albert Einstein


Lately I been doing some stunts for the films that come through Newark. I done some plays too because I have a MMA background & I'm a pretty big deal in some circles (and octagons). But it's like this. The nu-way to make paper is by doing CGI stunts. You put on that light bulb suit and they have you do moves and they do a thing known as motion capture. It's been in like some games and commercials, bro, no big deal. But like, I had a new idea I been trying to pronounce.

What I want to do is produce a dubstep musical using mo-cap and blood speed. Any yall familiar with blood speed dynamics or whatever? Get this, what you can do, or some say you can do, is take your blood and put it on a slide or in a petri dish. And you put it in a solution, right. This solution enhances the ultraviolet qualities of your blood. Then you look at it with a kilidoscope like device and while the human eye can't see this, the device digitally enhances the blood speed so you can see it and measure it. But, what they are finding is that the faster your blood speed the better for somethings such as sport and fighting and what have you. But like the drawback is that the faster your blood speed the quicker the blood dies because it's working harder so yeah you're like super awesome at sports but you'll also die younger than some other people with a more normal blood speed.

I did this testing on my blood and compared to other athletes and the results were good but I'm worried I'll freakin die sooner than normal but that's the price the band pays to play, bro. But, I'd like to get or grant or something.

Now imagine if we could motion capture people's blood then make the blood movement neon and project it on a screen while people danced at a warehouse? Wouldn't that be a site, bro?
 
2012-01-11 04:52:40 PM  
Funny, people are talking about primarily black casted action movies and nobody has mentioned 'Posse'? I saw it in the theater and, I may have been about 10 or so but I thought that movie was pretty awesome. Maybe it doesn't count cause it had the token white dude (I think it was Billy Baldwin) but it was a cool movie.

As far as this movie goes, if it actually has a hip hop soundtrack in the final product, then for that reason alone I will refuse to see it, at least in the theater, but if the music is more chonologically appropriate, then I won't mind the Michael bay style production as much. I found Flyboys to be tolerable (if somewhat anachronistic) mostly because it was about World War One, a war that seems to not have enough recent movies about it. Passchendaele is one of the few and I think it's awesome.
 
2012-01-11 04:59:00 PM  
Its gonna suck. The George Lucas who made Star Wars, THXii38, and American Graffiti died a LOOONG time ago.
 
2012-01-11 05:24:28 PM  

wee: Although I've never quite managed to figure out what racial stereotype the Sandpeople were supposed to be.


They live in the desert and are mindlessly violent. You can't match that to a racial stereotype?
 
2012-01-11 05:24:55 PM  

farkeruk: Is there a black Porkins?

/stay on target


"Pick up your visual scanning!!!"

"Did you just tell me to "look around" motherfarker? Then why not just say look the fark around?"
 
2012-01-11 05:31:37 PM  

JNowe: wee: Although I've never quite managed to figure out what racial stereotype the Sandpeople were supposed to be.

They live in the desert and are mindlessly violent. You can't match that to a racial stereotype?


Arizonians?
 
2012-01-11 05:35:02 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: wee: I saw him on TDS. It was very awkward. Felt kinda bad for him, actually.

Although I've never quite managed to figure out what racial stereotype the Sandpeople were supposed to be. The Jawas were Mexican migrant workers, Episode 1 had the Asian Federation people and Step-n-fetchit Binks. The thing who owned Anakin was Jewish, I think. Hmmm, maybe the Sandpeople are supposed to Arabs?

whoa, you have some serious racist problems.



Did you read the same post I did? He points out the racist stereotypes in it and you accuse HIM of being the racist.... lolwut? With the possible exception of the Jawas, the racist stereotypes weren't exactly subtle. Even moreso in the prequels.
 
2012-01-11 05:35:34 PM  
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wee
2012-01-11 05:40:46 PM  

JNowe: They live in the desert and are mindlessly violent. You can't match that to a racial stereotype?


I'm leaning Native American, actually. It's an interesting idea, but what was Lucas likely to encounter growing up in Modesto?

So given the wanton violence against the Sandpeople in Episode 3, that would make Anakin either a cowboy or George Bush.
 
2012-01-11 05:57:51 PM  

wee: JNowe: They live in the desert and are mindlessly violent. You can't match that to a racial stereotype?

I'm leaning Native American, actually. It's an interesting idea, but what was Lucas likely to encounter growing up in Modesto?

So given the wanton violence against the Sandpeople in Episode 3, that would make Anakin either a cowboy or George Bush.


THEY'RE CALLED SANDPEOPLE FFS!!!
 
2012-01-11 06:05:45 PM  

Best In The World: "All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree." -
Albert Einstein


Lately I been doing some stunts for the films that come through Newark. I done some plays too because I have a MMA background & I'm a pretty big deal in some circles (and octagons). But it's like this. The nu-way to make paper is by doing CGI stunts. You put on that light bulb suit and they have you do moves and they do a thing known as motion capture. It's been in like some games and commercials, bro, no big deal. But like, I had a new idea I been trying to pronounce.

What I want to do is produce a dubstep musical using mo-cap and blood speed. Any yall familiar with blood speed dynamics or whatever? Get this, what you can do, or some say you can do, is take your blood and put it on a slide or in a petri dish. And you put it in a solution, right. This solution enhances the ultraviolet qualities of your blood. Then you look at it with a kilidoscope like device and while the human eye can't see this, the device digitally enhances the blood speed so you can see it and measure it. But, what they are finding is that the faster your blood speed the better for somethings such as sport and fighting and what have you. But like the drawback is that the faster your blood speed the quicker the blood dies because it's working harder so yeah you're like super awesome at sports but you'll also die younger than some other people with a more normal blood speed.

I did this testing on my blood and compared to other athletes and the results were good but I'm worried I'll freakin die sooner than normal but that's the price the band pays to play, bro. But, I'd like to get or grant or something.

Now imagine if we could motion capture people's blood then make the blood movement neon and project it on a screen while people danced at a warehouse? Wouldn't that be a site, bro?


gawker.com

I honestly dont know if I should follow up with xzibit or ITG, its....just....so beautiful and I am honestly stumped.
 
2012-01-11 06:10:04 PM  
I have a MMA background & I'm a pretty big deal in some circles, and I think this movie looks dope.
 
2012-01-11 06:19:44 PM  
"It's one of the first, all-black action pictures ever made."

Did Lucas somehow miss out on one of the most profitable genres of his decade entirely? Blacksploitation made a bunch of people fat stacks of cash in the 70s and 80s and even produced some outright-awesome movies, and it did it without the power of merchandising.
 
2012-01-11 06:51:46 PM  

wee: The Jawas were Mexican migrant workers


No, they're gypsies. They slap coats of paint on things they "found" and then try to pawn them off on you. Once the thing breaks two days later, they and their caravan of garbage are long gone.

Luke: [the red R2 unit blows its top] Uncle Owen!
Uncle Owen: [looks up from paying the Jawa] Yeah?
Luke: This R2 unit has a bad motivator, look!
Uncle Owen: [to Jawa] Hey, what are you trying to push on us?
[Jawa shrugs shoulders and makes a "What? No way!" noise]

***
Luke: You know, I think that R2 unit we bought may have been stolen.
 
2012-01-11 06:54:51 PM  

farkeruk: Is there a black Porkins?

/stay on target


Loosen up!
 
2012-01-11 06:59:03 PM  

Jim_Callahan: "It's one of the first, all-black action pictures ever made."

Did Lucas somehow miss out on one of the most profitable genres of his decade entirely? Blacksploitation made a bunch of people fat stacks of cash in the 70s and 80s and even produced some outright-awesome movies, and it did it without the power of merchandising.



Could be wrong, I thought he meant one of the first all black action movies with a large Hollywood-type budget and major distribution. It probably will stink (I don't care for 100% action movies in general) but I appreciate what he's trying to do. Blacksploitation movies have a place but there's a reason it ends in "xploitation".

/although I will crack up laughing if Huggy Bear appears anywhere near this movie.
 
2012-01-11 07:11:18 PM  

Deddude9988: Funny, people are talking about primarily black casted action movies and nobody has mentioned 'Posse'? I saw it in the theater and, I may have been about 10 or so but I thought that movie was pretty awesome. Maybe it doesn't count cause it had the token white dude (I think it was Billy Baldwin) but it was a cool movie.


Stephen Baldwin, Billy Zane was in it too I liked it. I liked Dead Presidents too. Posse must be one of the only movies set in the Spanish American War.
 
2012-01-11 07:14:54 PM  

9beers: Lucas was heavily to blame for Indy 4. He's the one who wanted the Alien plot and refused another script that both Spielberg and Ford thought was great. Basically Lucas kept throwing tantrums until he got his way. Also, he wrote the story.


Indiana Jones is Lucas's creation. He can do what he wants with it. And frankly I don't get the hate for Indy 4. It was a decent popcorn movie and hell of a lot better than Temple of Doom.
 
wee
2012-01-11 07:57:13 PM  

23FPB23: THEY'RE CALLED SANDPEOPLE FFS!!!


Racist.

:-)
 
2012-01-11 08:00:26 PM  

bravian: 9beers: Lucas was heavily to blame for Indy 4. He's the one who wanted the Alien plot and refused another script that both Spielberg and Ford thought was great. Basically Lucas kept throwing tantrums until he got his way. Also, he wrote the story.

Indiana Jones is Lucas's creation. He can do what he wants with it. And frankly I don't get the hate for Indy 4. It was a decent popcorn movie and hell of a lot better than Temple of Doom.


I find I like Indy 4 better if I pretend the first 20 minutes doesn't exist. The whole "nuking the fridge" thing just stretched my suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.
 
2012-01-11 08:03:41 PM  
bravian: And frankly I don't get the hate for Indy 4. It was a decent popcorn movie and hell of a lot better than Temple of Doom.

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR GODDAMN MIND?!
 
2012-01-11 08:05:38 PM  

HeartBurnKid: I find I like Indy 4 better if I pretend the first 20 minutes doesn't exist. The whole "nuking the fridge" thing just stretched my suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.


Some questionable science bothered you but you were fine with a sword fight on the hoods of vehicles racing through the jungle and Shia working the vines like farking Tazan?
 
2012-01-11 08:08:57 PM  

bravian: Indiana Jones is Lucas's creation. He can do what he wants with it. And frankly I don't get the hate for Indy 4. It was a decent popcorn movie and hell of a lot better than Temple of Doom.


LoL no.
 
2012-01-11 08:12:34 PM  
Why Hollywood wastes money making movies out of crap like this instead of making movies out of super heroes and comic books is beyond me.
 
2012-01-11 08:26:00 PM  

ArkPanda: wee: I saw him on TDS. It was very awkward. Felt kinda bad for him, actually.

Although I've never quite managed to figure out what racial stereotype the Sandpeople were supposed to be. The Jawas were Mexican migrant workers, Episode 1 had the Asian Federation people and Step-n-fetchit Binks. The thing who owned Anakin was Jewish, I think. Hmmm, maybe the Sandpeople are supposed to Arabs?

Injuns maybe? Specifically the Western movie stereotypes that are just waiting for the settlers to let their guard down so they can scalp the lot of them.


So sayeth TVtropes

Tusken Raiders were named because they raided "Fort Tusken"
 
2012-01-11 09:15:40 PM  
Seems that some of those air combat sequences would make great templates for some sort of science-fiction space combat.
 
2012-01-11 10:10:43 PM  
Now, if only someone could do a movie about what blacks were actually subjected to at Tuskegee (new window).

Something tells me Lucas won't be bringing that into this film.
 
2012-01-11 10:57:18 PM  
Forgive me for saying this, and it will be quite unpopular, but:

George Lucas is not the bad guy in this.
A Hollywood which tells him to his face
that they'd prefer not to bankroll this movie
because it has an all-black cast... that's the bad guy, and it's not being discussed in all the 'easy' target mainstream pop culture bullshiat involving the Indy movies.

Hollywood only told him that because Hollywood
is populated by bean counters,
and bean counters don't make decisions because
they are politically correct or timely,
but because decisions will fatten the bottom line.
Even if those decisions say something unpalatable
about the movie-going public they cater to.

Those immigrants who came to Hollywood
in the early days of moving pictures weren't
making statements, they were making money;
and if the money said that presenting suck-ass images
packed more butts in the door than average-guy-like-us-
with-concerns-like-us images, well...
money talks, bullshiat walks.

So don't hate on Lucas.
He's on the right side for this one.
His fear that he's going to fark things up for black filmmakers
if this movie is not a hit -- if this movie doesn't spit in the
eye of every Hollywood exec who said it shouldn't be made
because no one who matters to Hollywood's bottom line
will see it -- is touching, a little paternal,
but in this case his heart is in the right place.
 
2012-01-11 10:59:23 PM  

Folderol: Dolemite wants a word, Mr. Lucas...

[dolemite.com image 342x500]


Those movies were terrible, but there was so much ass on display, who cared?!
 
2012-01-11 11:34:05 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Forgive me for saying this, and it will be quite unpopular, but:

George Lucas is not the bad guy in this.
A Hollywood which tells him to his face
that they'd prefer not to bankroll this movie
because it has an all-black cast... that's the bad guy, and it's not being discussed in all the 'easy' target mainstream pop culture bullshiat involving the Indy movies.

Hollywood only told him that because Hollywood
is populated by bean counters,
and bean counters don't make decisions because
they are politically correct or timely,
but because decisions will fatten the bottom line.
Even if those decisions say something unpalatable
about the movie-going public they cater to.

Those immigrants who came to Hollywood
in the early days of moving pictures weren't
making statements, they were making money;
and if the money said that presenting suck-ass images
packed more butts in the door than average-guy-like-us-
with-concerns-like-us images, well...
money talks, bullshiat walks.

So don't hate on Lucas.
He's on the right side for this one.
His fear that he's going to fark things up for black filmmakers
if this movie is not a hit -- if this movie doesn't spit in the
eye of every Hollywood exec who said it shouldn't be made
because no one who matters to Hollywood's bottom line
will see it -- is touching, a little paternal,
but in this case his heart is in the right place.



meh. get back to me when you can write that in iambic pentameter.
 
2012-01-12 01:54:38 AM  

9beers: HeartBurnKid: I find I like Indy 4 better if I pretend the first 20 minutes doesn't exist. The whole "nuking the fridge" thing just stretched my suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.

Some questionable science bothered you but you were fine with a sword fight on the hoods of vehicles racing through the jungle and Shia working the vines like farking Tazan?


Questionable science? DUDE WAS IN A farkING NUCLEAR EXPLOSION.

Yes, compared to that, swinging from vines and swordfighting on the hoods of cars is pretty damn plausible.
 
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