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Dawn: Strong enough to move even the largest Interstate highway bridge, yet gentle on your hands. ...wait, what?
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Exception Collection
2012-01-11 02:04:01 PM
This sounds awesome, and I'd love to go to a seminar or discussion on the topic.
Dufus
2012-01-11 02:10:55 PM
Good for killing wasps, too. 50/50 Dawn and water will kill them almost instantly. Goes NOT work on bees.
Burninate
2012-01-11 02:12:45 PM
huh?
miss diminutive
2012-01-11 02:26:20 PM
Cheaper than KY I suppose.
emersonbiggins
2012-01-11 02:33:42 PM
Jergens gets it done faster.
Just saying
Mayor Bee
2012-01-11 02:34:31 PM
Dufus
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Good for killing wasps, too. 50/50 Dawn and water will kill them almost instantly.
Does NOT work on bees.
Thank FSM for that.
That coward David Lopan
2012-01-11 02:34:47 PM
Traffic moving in both directions was rerouted through on- and offramps during the bridge replacement, said Strganac, adding that motorists are expected to be able to travel on the new bridges by Thursday morning.
And I bet they were still biatching.
miss diminutive
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Cheaper than KY I suppose.
They don't sell KY in gallon sizes, only the little tubes. Didn't you see Old School?
Dahnkster
2012-01-11 02:35:17 PM
You're soaking in it.
ZAZ
2012-01-11 02:36:58 PM
Massachusetts replaced seven pairs of bridges on I-93 last year using the same technique. I don't know if the contractor used the same brand of soap.
berniex
2012-01-11 02:39:03 PM
Pjur Eros.
I mean, ....so I've heard.
Tom_Slick
2012-01-11 02:39:48 PM
That coward David Lopan
:
They don't sell KY in gallon sizes, only the little tubes. Didn't you see Old School?
If you called they would ship it too you in 55 gallon drums.
Fabric_Man
2012-01-11 02:40:05 PM
They
would
use the brand name stuff. Typical government waste. Why not use Method or Sam's? It's just as good!
strapp3r
2012-01-11 02:40:19 PM
Olestra
YOU'RE SITTING IN IT!
blackmtnmantheonly
2012-01-11 02:41:36 PM
Beer. There's nothing it can't do.
pag1107
2012-01-11 02:44:54 PM
Attn: Maryland, why can't you do that for the two I-270 bridges you've been backing up traffic working on for a year and still have a year and a half to go?
realmolo
2012-01-11 02:48:24 PM
pag1107
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Attn: Maryland, why can't you do that for the two I-270 bridges you've been backing up traffic working on for a year and still have a year and a half to go?
I've got 4 words for you:
Paid by the hour.
Construction is second only to insurance as the most corrupt and inefficient industry in the world.
duffblue
2012-01-11 02:48:35 PM
So the bridge will save commuters $12.7 million and cost over $14 million to build. Nice.
emersonbiggins
2012-01-11 02:48:52 PM
Fabric_Man
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They would use the brand name stuff. Typical government waste. Why not use Method or Sam's? It's just as good!
Yep, there's no way Dawn could've been donated in exchange for free publicity. I'll bet they even bought the smallest bottles they could find at places like Neiman Marcus.
ChrisDe
2012-01-11 02:51:42 PM
Fabric_Man
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They would use the brand name stuff. Typical government waste. Why not use Method or Sam's? It's just as good!
But only Dawn can make your bridges smell like Thai Dragon Fruit.
Andric
2012-01-11 02:51:57 PM
duffblue
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So the bridge will save commuters $12.7 million and cost over $14 million to build. Nice.
I assume you'd rather they use less efficient methods so that they don't save those particular costs, because ... er... well, why would you prefer that, exactly?
mod3072
2012-01-11 02:52:23 PM
What the hell kind of name is Strganac? Isn't that missing a vowel or two somewhere?
Dufus
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Good for killing wasps, too. 50/50 Dawn and water will kill them almost instantly. Goes NOT work on bees.
CSB:
I have an apricot tree in my backyard that was being plagued by tent caterpillars. I went out and bought some crazy expensive, super-duper, don't let your kids or pets within a mile of this stuff, if you get a droplet on your skin you will die of instant brain cancer insecticide. I hosed the little bastards down with that stuff and it didn't do a damn thing (yes, the label said it would work on that particular insect). My elderly neighbor told me to spray them with a 50/50 mix of Dawn and water. I did that, and POOF! Instant death! It killed the exposed ones and dried up the webs, killing the ones hiding inside. It was WAY cheaper, far more effective, and I didn't need a hazmat suit to use it either, which was nice. Kind of makes me wonder what the hell I'm washing my dishes in, though.
/CSB
pedrop357
2012-01-11 02:55:45 PM
I was wondering why the would choose Dawn (or any dish soap) over motor oil or even cooking oil, etc.
The only thing I can figure is that dish soap is cheaper then cooking oil and biodegradable unlike motor oil.
Anyone else know why dish soap would be used?
ieldanth
2012-01-11 02:57:32 PM
duffblue
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So the bridge will save commuters $12.7 million and cost over $14 million to build. Nice.
I wonder if that $12.7 million is per year or over the life of the bridge...
If it is an annual figure, it works out to a little under $35,000 a day, which is plausible if Mesquite is a big enough town.
theorellior
2012-01-11 03:00:29 PM
duffblue
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So the bridge will save commuters $12.7 million and cost over $14 million to build. Nice.
The fact that there's a brand-new bridge there now doesn't enter into your calculus there, does it, Sparky.
FrancoFile
2012-01-11 03:01:32 PM
pedrop357
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I was wondering why the would choose Dawn (or any dish soap) over motor oil or even cooking oil, etc.
The only thing I can figure is that dish soap is cheaper then cooking oil and biodegradable unlike motor oil.
Anyone else know why dish soap would be used?
Oil on Teflon beads up too much.
Soap on Teflon forms a nice laminar coating.
Plexo
2012-01-11 03:04:31 PM
Used to work for a rigging company years ago. We used to use Dawn and plastic sheets to slide MRI machines down the halls of hospitals. That and we had sheets with holes in them like a giant air hockey game to float heavy stuff.
IXI Jim IXI
2012-01-11 03:05:47 PM
mod3072
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What the hell kind of name is Strganac? Isn't that missing a vowel or two somewhere?
He probably played in the NHL at some point.
IXI Jim IXI
2012-01-11 03:07:07 PM
Dufus
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Good for killing wasps, too. 50/50 Dawn and water will kill them almost instantly. Goes NOT work on bees.
...or Catholics.
Benjimin_Dover
2012-01-11 03:09:51 PM
Dufus
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Good for killing wasps, too. 50/50 Dawn and water will kill them almost instantly. Goes NOT work on bees.
Brake cleaner seems to do a nice job. Actually the old stuff before the feds got involved and banned it for some new crap. Still have my case of stashed NAPA Brake Cleaner sitting in the garage. I guess I can stash my incandescent light bulbs next to them now.
ajt167
2012-01-11 03:10:25 PM
As an engineer working for the heavy rigging industry, I'm getting a kick and so forth.
Anyway, using soap as lubricant to move huge things isn't exactly new and exciting. We typically use Dial. You just have to make sure the weather doesn't get too cold or it could gel up and crap everything up.
cowgirl toffee
2012-01-11 03:12:00 PM
IXI Jim IXI
:
Dufus: Good for killing wasps, too. 50/50 Dawn and water will kill them almost instantly. Goes NOT work on bees.
...or Catholics.
Yes, but if you use a good sturdy water bottle, you can train about any Christian not to wet the carpet.
Qatmandu
2012-01-11 03:12:35 PM
Bryllcream...a little dab'll do ya.
/off my lawn
Mikey1969
2012-01-11 03:17:17 PM
FTA:
"The design company is based in
Utah, where more than six bridge slides have been done
, Strganac said."
Came here for this.... These things are awesome. They've been doing them for 5 years or so, and I got all excited and wanted to watch the first one, and it was done before we even got organized enough to get down to the site that morning. Although, truth be told, from what I've heard, actually watching the process is like watching paint dry, even though it only takes a few hours, it's brutally slow...
They should never, ever replace an overpass in this country the old way, if this is an option at all, it usually gets done on a Saturday, and traffic is using it again by Monday... These sound like they went into place quicker than around here. They usually build them somewhere down the shoulder, so they have to pilot them up the road 100 yards or so.
RTFA
2012-01-11 03:20:42 PM
pedrop357
:
I was wondering why the would choose Dawn (or any dish soap) over motor oil or even cooking oil, etc.
The only thing I can figure is that dish soap is cheaper then cooking oil and biodegradable unlike motor oil.
Anyone else know why dish soap would be used?
They were hoping the homeless people would come and bathe with it afterwards.
Mikey1969
2012-01-11 03:21:37 PM
duffblue
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So the bridge will save commuters $12.7 million and cost over $14 million to build. Nice.
Yeah, you kinda sound like the person who would have biatched about the new interchange they just finished here. It cost $10 million, but what the haters gloss over is that a 'traditional' interchange(This one's a whole new design)_ would have cost $40 million.
I bet this technique has the same cost effectiveness. The bridge is built quicker. Traffic is not impacted WHILE the bridge is being built, and traffic is barely impacted while it's being installed. That all adds up. The original version would have had detours for a year or more, accidents due to construction, and when officially 'opened', the bridge would already have been used for 6-12 months.
8DragonFark
2012-01-11 03:22:50 PM
pedrop357
:
I was wondering why the would choose Dawn (or any dish soap) over motor oil or even cooking oil, etc.
The only thing I can figure is that dish soap is cheaper then cooking oil and biodegradable unlike motor oil.
Anyone else know why dish soap would be used?
Maybe because it washes off without the use of an additional solvent of some kind?
A challenger appears
2012-01-11 03:24:26 PM
So this method saves both time and money?
Yeah...it'll never be used in Illinois then. Ever.
MandM
2012-01-11 03:25:44 PM
Don't they also use it for cleaning wildlife that has been covered in oil after oil spills? Jeez, is there nothing this stuff can't do?
Pythagoras
2012-01-11 03:28:56 PM
Is there any time-lapse video or similar of a bridge slide? My cursory search on youtube shows videos of people using bridges as slip and slides during a rain storm.
mgshamster
2012-01-11 03:29:00 PM
MandM
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Don't they also use it for cleaning wildlife that has been covered in oil after oil spills? Jeez, is there nothing this stuff can't do?
Yeah, they do. Researchers even tested which soap would be best for wildlife use, and it turned out that it was Dawn.
Don't have a source for it (I'm too lazy right now). I found out about it from a lecture by a Ph.D. involved in the testing.
Cerebral Knievel
2012-01-11 03:29:20 PM
IXI Jim IXI
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mod3072: What the hell kind of name is Strganac? Isn't that missing a vowel or two somewhere?
He probably played in the NHL at some point.
Looks Swedish, they apparently don't believe in vowels, Obviously, this name has been Americanized.
Plexo
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Used to work for a rigging company years ago. We used to use Dawn and plastic sheets to slide MRI machines down the halls of hospitals. That and we had sheets with holes in them like a giant air hockey game to float heavy stuff.
All the metal conveyers on our bottling line here at the brewery ride on Teflon under rails, and we use Dawn on them as well on the mornings to get the creaking to stop before the "premium lube" kicks in. and that stuff is pretty much the same thing except it's low foam so we don't have soap bubbles all over the thing all the time. Years before all that, When I was an industrial controls technician, a couple of times we ran out of wire snot and used Dawn instead.
.
Bendal
2012-01-11 03:32:05 PM
realmolo
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pag1107: Attn: Maryland, why can't you do that for the two I-270 bridges you've been backing up traffic working on for a year and still have a year and a half to go?
I've got 4 words for you:
Paid by the hour.
Construction is second only to insurance as the most corrupt and inefficient industry in the world.
Doubtful; every highway construction project I've ever seen, the contractor was paid on a fixed contract negotiated ahead of time. Most of them, in fact, have penalty clauses in the contracts if they take too long to complete the work.
As for using this method to replace a bridge, TFA points out this area is a perfect situation to use this method. You need room to build the new bridge right next to the old one, reuse the old foundations, etc.
/still looks like a good idea in some situations
//printed the article to pass around my office.
Jubeebee
2012-01-11 03:32:57 PM
I'm beginning to think that Dawn is some sort of miracle chemical. They use it to clean up wildlife after oil spills too, and apparently the off-brand stuff doesn't do the job as well.
natazha
2012-01-11 03:33:15 PM
8DragonFark
:
Anyone else know why dish soap would be used?
Because it is water-soluble, doesn't degrade the concrete, and is easily removed from the bridge afterwards? Just guessing, but I was an engineer in an earlier life.
wickedsillyness
2012-01-11 03:38:04 PM
duffblue
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So the bridge will save commuters $12.7 million and cost over $14 million to build. Nice.
Am I the only one who read this as him actually saying it was a good thing? Essentially the bridge only cost 1.3 million.
/Do I still have too much faith in humanity?
dericwater
2012-01-11 03:38:24 PM
But still makes for a sh**ty dishwashing liquid.
/Prefers Joy
MBooda
2012-01-11 03:40:41 PM
Dahnkster
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You're soaking in it.
Madge approves.
/madge it's not merely physical
Lone Stranger
2012-01-11 03:41:02 PM
Keep it greasy so it will go down easy.
fifthhorseman
2012-01-11 03:43:48 PM
I feel a lot safer about this technique after reading TFA:
There are no engineering guides to bridge slides, Strganac said. "It's kind of an art at this point."
I hope it's painterly and no impressionistic.
dericwater
2012-01-11 03:44:39 PM
realmolo
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pag1107: Attn: Maryland, why can't you do that for the two I-270 bridges you've been backing up traffic working on for a year and still have a year and a half to go?
I've got 4 words for you:
Paid by the hour.
Construction is second only to insurance as the most corrupt and inefficient industry in the world.
Hardly. There is usually a stipulation that the construction work gets finished by a certain date. Any delay will cost the contractor(s) penalties. At the same time, there's performance bonuses for completing ahead of schedule. Most of the delay is in the beginning when they're haggling with lawyers for NIMBYs and such-and-such-save-the-crickets groups. If there's a delay in the midst of construction, that means someone fubared the design or normal payments didn't get made. Construction companies pay their employees by the hour, but the companies get paid by the project, so the quicker they finish the project, the more they get to keep for themselves.
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