coeyagi: If you want to do something humanitarian in nature, introduce your daughters to a gentleman named Hugh Hefner.

Sanchez?

Shvetz: Huntsman is pretty moderate on social issues, but he's the craziest on the economy. He thinks we need to massively jack up taxes on the poor/middle class, and basically give billionaires a free ride. Any government spending that could raise the standard of living for non-billionaires is a waste of time in his book.

quote on that? I've been hearing it from a few people but they never cite sources, so now I'm pretty interested in where this is coming from

/not trolling, just interested

sprawl15: Shvetz: Huntsman is pretty moderate on social issues

I suppose so, if you consider supporting a constitutional amendment to outlaw abortion a 'moderate position'.

eh, kinda a moot point. he's a moral mormon who can pander to the religious right, but he may very well know that in the end, it's dead in the water. If this were to ever come to fruition, it would've done so immediately following Rowe v. Wade

madgonad: Huh.

I knew Huntsman came from money, but I didn't know his dad was a billionaire.

Super rich, and they give away a lot of money around here, alot to U of U, University Hospital, and the Huntsman Cancer Institute... I like this answer, and I approve...

coeyagi: Shvetz: Huntsman is pretty moderate on social issues, but he's the craziest on the economy. He thinks we need to massively jack up taxes on the poor/middle class, and basically give billionaires a free ride. Any government spending that could raise the standard of living for non-billionaires is a waste of time in his book.

Ugh, see, this is exactly what the GOP has set out to accomplish, make 95% of their politicians so god damn insane that the other 5%'s fascist, regressive, backwards bullshiat artists look like Goldwater by comparison.

wait, so Huntsman's a fascist? really? have you heard the man speak? listen to the last two debates and his speech in Exeter monday night. Fascist, he is not

somedude210: Shvetz: Huntsman is pretty moderate on social issues, but he's the craziest on the economy. He thinks we need to massively jack up taxes on the poor/middle class, and basically give billionaires a free ride. Any government spending that could raise the standard of living for non-billionaires is a waste of time in his book.

quote on that? I've been hearing it from a few people but they never cite sources, so now I'm pretty interested in where this is coming from

/not trolling, just interested

Yeah, I'd like to see that also. I only moved to Utah for his last year or so, but I saw nothing while he was in office, and have heard nothing since to indicate this.

OK, something I don't understand about all of these Huntsman stories out this week...

They keep talking about his "dismal" performance in New Hampshire, yet they seem to forget that a few weeks ago, he was dead last and getting a partial percentage point of the votes. Suddenly, he's at 16%, and that's bad? The way people keep slipping in and out of the front spot, I'd have to say he has a chance, especially if Romeny keeps saying the kind of crap he has been lately(Or if people start holding him accountable). The 'I know what it's like to be in fear of losing your job' statement should have sunk him in the water, WTF?

I'd vote for Huntsman, he's not as Mormon as the rest of this state, he actually got some of our liquor laws fixed before he left. Of course, as soon as the door closed behind him the theocracy went and farked them up again, but that's not his fault. So he supports a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion? Oh well, I never agree with ANY person 100%, and this one has no chance anyway, so he can have his pet dream... The man made a lot of people on BOTH sides of the divide happy around here, and that's quite an accomplishment in a state this Red. You're either a traitor to your Party, or an automatic Bad Guy to the opposition Party around here, NOBODY is a uniter...

madgonad: If they name a building after your donation, it really isn't a donation now is it?

If you donate the building, the land, and/or the facility itself it is. It's not like they handed him a house. Yes, I think they base out of the building, but they also have a highly regarded cancer research institute/hospital there as well, it's still a donation.

coeyagi: Gays and women are second class citizens (see everything he's ever said about gays and his support of the Personhood Amendment).

OK, I will...

"And then on Tuesday, Huntsman, who resigned as Obama's Ambassador to China to explore a GOP presidential run, told reporters that if New York passed its same-sex marriage equality bill, as president, he would "respect" their decision, leading many to assume he, again, was supportive of equality for gays.

Tuesday night, Huntsman told Fox's Sean Hannity, "I am where I am on civil unions. Some will like it. Some will don't...We have not done an adequate job in terms of equality and fairness where it comes to reciprocal beneficiary rights.""
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/huntsman-campaign-flirts-with-ga y s-then-calls-gay-marriage-impossible/politics/2011/06/22/22710

Hmmm, I think 'Civil Unions' is a cop out, and not the same as marriage, no matter what they say, but he's not exactly gay-bashing here...

As for the Personhood Amendment...
"The Utah governor said on Meet the Press that a proposed amendment to the Mississippi constitution, which would declare a fertilized egg to be a person under the law, "goes too far.""

http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/eggs-arent-people /

coeyagi: somedude210: coeyagi: Shvetz: Huntsman is pretty moderate on social issues, but he's the craziest on the economy. He thinks we need to massively jack up taxes on the poor/middle class, and basically give billionaires a free ride. Any government spending that could raise the standard of living for non-billionaires is a waste of time in his book.

Ugh, see, this is exactly what the GOP has set out to accomplish, make 95% of their politicians so god damn insane that the other 5%'s fascist, regressive, backwards bullshiat artists look like Goldwater by comparison.

wait, so Huntsman's a fascist? really? have you heard the man speak? listen to the last two debates and his speech in Exeter monday night. Fascist, he is not

Gays and women are second class citizens (see everything he's ever said about gays and his support of the Personhood Amendment).

The only thing all those clowns are missing is a Final Solution.

again, show me proof. I heard him in the debates and I was at his rally/party/speech monday and tuesday and he never once pandered to the religious right on gays. He was the only one in the debate (barring maybe Paul) who advocated civil unions. That's more left then the entire GOP. Even "the gay state" Romney wanted to outlaw gay marriage. Either show me some proof of statements to the contrary in the last 3 years or check your facts a bit

coeyagi: Thanks, so you just proved he's a liar too. Supporting the Personhood Amendment is no different than what Mississippi did.

wha? so if he's against it, he's lying and still a fascist wannabe and if he's for it, he's a fascist wannabe?

You understand that he is far and away the best in the race, right? He's running on a unifying platform, and gosh darn it, he may very well be able to unite what divides most of us (except jackasses like you on the left, and your opposite brothers on the right)

\MA liberal, socialist independent
\\this is why i dislike extremes of either side

Bob16: "Politics isn't really a humanitarian cause."

Sounds like the opening line for another boring republican lecture about how nobody deserves anything unless they are a 1 percenter who is "oppressed" cause he has to pay taxes.

All thats missing is the worn out cliches "entitled" and "snowflake".

or, you know, you could just listen to the man and hear what he has to say instead of just dismissing it outright

coeyagi: Thanks, so you just proved he's a liar too. Supporting the Personhood Amendment is no different than what Mississippi did.

He didn't support what Mississippi did, and that's the only thing that comes up when I search 'Huntsman Personhood Amendment', entry after entry about how he thinks that trying to define an egg as a person "goes too far".

Are we talking ablles and crankshafts here? DO you have another 'Personhood Amendment' in mind that I'm not seeing? I'm interested in what item you're talking about...

Bob16: "Politics isn't really a humanitarian cause."

Sounds like the opening line for another boring republican lecture about how nobody deserves anything unless they are a 1 percenter who is "oppressed" cause he has to pay taxes.

All thats missing is the worn out cliches "entitled" and "snowflake".

What he's saying is that his family pours money into things to help people personally, it's called philanthropy. He would rather write off the race than take away from the money that his family currently donates to stay in.

Haters gotta hate, I guess. Personally, I think it's a pretty good statement, and it's light centuries away from Romney's 'I know what it's like to fear for your job, although I'm worth $250 million' bullshiat.

Mikey1969: Are we talking ablles and crankshafts here?

APPLES and crankshafts, apples....

Wish I could edit instead of reposting...

Sandelaphon: somedude210: coeyagi: Thanks, so you just proved he's a liar too. Supporting the Personhood Amendment is no different than what Mississippi did.

wha? so if he's against it, he's lying and still a fascist wannabe and if he's for it, he's a fascist wannabe?

You understand that he is far and away the best in the race, right? He's running on a unifying platform, and gosh darn it, he may very well be able to unite what divides most of us (except jackasses like you on the left, and your opposite brothers on the right)

\MA liberal, socialist independent
\\this is why i dislike extremes of either side

Bullshiat

so he's talking about fixing our debt. I may not agree with the Ryan budget but you're seriously faulting the man for wanting to take on the debt issue we have in government?

Oerath: As a Utard I came to say this. Huntsman is far from my first choice for a president, and I certainly wouldn't vote for him against someone like Obama, but if he won I wouldn't feel the need to expatriate or buy a sniper rifle or anything.

that's my feeling, as well as most fairly liberal people I know around here who have taken the time to listen to him. He's not batshiat insane but he's not Gary Johnson-esque liberal, he's Romney if Romney actually cared about anything other than winning.

He may not be the most popular guy in the race, but I'd kill to see real issues take stage this election instead of simple pandering. Huntsman could do some real great change for the country, and quite possibly continue some of the good that Obama started while also fixing some of the bad.

and if you have a chance, before he wins/loses/drops out, take some time and go to one of his speeches and either listen a little or ask a question. Listening to the punditry and media for worthwhile information on candidates is like asking a leper for a facial, you're doing yourself a disservice. Learn about the candidates and take an actual interest in our democracy and where this country is going.