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(Yahoo)   Romney's "I used to worry about getting fired too" line reveals that in his own mind, he believes he's a self-made man. Which is a problem because "delusional" is a bad thing for a president to be   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 187
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2012-01-11 02:18:36 PM  

Headso: nope, just missed your post there, it happens...


Anybody else notice the lack of collie-molestation denial, there.

Must be another breed, maybe a Sheltie, they kind of look alike, easy enough mistake to make for the casual observer....
 
2012-01-11 02:19:14 PM  
Almost every rich person who was handed everything in their life thinks they did everything themselves.


If you were rich and got things handed to you and you are :

You think you did it all yourself. - Republican.
You are aware you got many breaks others don't get. - Democrat

Really I bet if you asked people It would break down to being 99% correct. Republicans love to believe they never got any help even though that is never true.
 
2012-01-11 02:19:17 PM  

beta_plus: I bet he worries about the price of arugula, too, just like normal americans.


I worry about the price of broccoli. Does that make me an elitist?

/$5 for 2 small heads??!!!??
//This is an outrage.jpg
 
2012-01-11 02:19:58 PM  

NuttierThanEver: To paraphrase Molly Ivins she said something similar about Dubya that applies.
He was born on third base and grew up thinking he hit a triple.


Molly lives...

I wonder what she'd say about Mitt's father being born in Mexico, while Grandpa practiced the ancient art of Polygamy.
 
2012-01-11 02:20:07 PM  
Born on third, thinks he hit a triple. Talk about Bush Jr. Redux.
 
2012-01-11 02:22:37 PM  

Exception Collection: Actually, I consider myself fairly liberal (socially) and I'd sooner vote for Huntsman & his magic underwear than Obama. Obama's signature of the NDAA, especially, bothers me. It's all the other nutcases in the election, and Two-fa - err Romney - that scared the shiat out of me.


You know that NDAA is a Republican add-on? Obama biatched about it and said he wouldn't enforce it when he signed it.

Every damn GOP candidate (except RON PAUL) in the primaries would sign it, but please go on being stupid.
 
2012-01-11 02:23:25 PM  
Remember, he's unemployed!
 
2012-01-11 02:23:54 PM  

culebra: Born on third, thinks he hit a triple. Talk about Bush Jr. Redux.


It's amusing how Republicans always scream about affirmative action (which really doesn't even exist anymore) but they have no problems with white rich kids who get admitted to prestigious colleges because they are the son of rich and powerful people. Never seem to hear them say they don't want colleges giving admission points any more for that or for legacy students or based on ability to pay.
 
2012-01-11 02:26:19 PM  

Corvus: Almost every rich person who was handed everything in their life thinks they did everything themselves.


If you were rich and got things handed to you and you are :

You think you did it all yourself. - Republican.
You are aware you got many breaks others don't get. - Democrat

Really I bet if you asked people It would break down to being 99% correct. Republicans love to believe they never got any help even though that is never true.


Yep.

The biggest complainer about taxes and social programs I know has an autistic child that gets sent to a special school. That costs the taxpayer more than $80k a year.
 
2012-01-11 02:26:29 PM  

madgonad: You know that NDAA is a Republican add-on? Obama biatched about it and said he wouldn't enforce it when he signed it.


not just that he got it watered down too. Pretty much it's what courts have already said the executive branch can do already. Yeah it sucks that it is more codified now but politically it would of been hard for him to have vetoed the entire bill just on that.
 
2012-01-11 02:28:08 PM  

madgonad: You know that NDAA is a Republican add-on? Obama biatched about it and said he wouldn't enforce it when he signed it.

Every damn GOP candidate (except RON PAUL) in the primaries would sign it, but please go on being stupid.


I knew it was a R add-on, but I didn't know (until now) that Hunstman explicitly supported it. I guess he's not quite as good as I thought.

Paul's out because of his asinine views on LGBT rights, and his foolishness when it comes to financial issues.

I don't care if it will be enforced or not, I care that it was *signed*. He should have vetoed it, period.
 
2012-01-11 02:28:42 PM  

madgonad: The biggest complainer about taxes and social programs I know has an autistic child that gets sent to a special school. That costs the taxpayer more than $80k a year.


Hahah!

I also know knew a conservative who biatched and moaned about government spending and also has her son in the same type of program. It's like "Hey, you know when Republicans are talking about government 'waste' they are talking about the program for your kid". She can't put that together. To them government spending is always money "other people" get.
 
2012-01-11 02:30:21 PM  
Basically, Romney is a slicker, Mormoner version of Bush.
 
2012-01-11 02:30:44 PM  

I_C_Weener: I, honestly, can't fathom why liberals and Democrats care who runs.


Thousands of comedians' jobs are on the line. Santorum winning the primary could start a new comedic Renaissance.
 
2012-01-11 02:30:52 PM  

Exception Collection: I don't care if it will be enforced or not, I care that it was *signed*. He should have vetoed it, period.


But it was part of the entire defense bill. If he would of vetoed it just for that he would of been demolished politically. Just because you don't like politics doesn't mean you can pretend it doesn't exist.

Some I believe mostly Democrat senators are working on pulling that out now. Are you doing anything to support that? Or just biatching?
 
2012-01-11 02:30:55 PM  

Exception Collection: madgonad: You know that NDAA is a Republican add-on? Obama biatched about it and said he wouldn't enforce it when he signed it.

Every damn GOP candidate (except RON PAUL) in the primaries would sign it, but please go on being stupid.

I knew it was a R add-on, but I didn't know (until now) that Hunstman explicitly supported it. I guess he's not quite as good as I thought.

Paul's out because of his asinine views on LGBT rights, and his foolishness when it comes to financial issues.

I don't care if it will be enforced or not, I care that it was *signed*. He should have vetoed it, period.


DHS has gotten bigger and more invasive on Obama's watch too. GITMO/and Detainees haven't really been given any more rights either.

Obama is much the same as Bush on issues of "security" and "civil rights". It is sad. I actually hoped he'd be different in these areas, but expected pretty much this.
 
2012-01-11 02:33:14 PM  

I_C_Weener: GITMO/and Detainees haven't really been given any more rights either.


He tried to close it down, congress stopped it. He is the president not the dictator of the United States.'

I_C_Weener: Obama is much the same as Bush on issues of "security" and "civil rights".


What how about DADT repeal and no longer supporting the defense of DOMA? That's the same as Bush?
 
2012-01-11 02:33:36 PM  
Romney delusional? Nothing new in that when it comes to Republican presidents.
 
2012-01-11 02:34:20 PM  

Exception Collection: I_C_Weener: I, honestly, can't fathom why liberals and Democrats care who runs. They are going to vote for Obama anyway. Its not like in 2008 when, legally, Republicans tried to vote for Hillary to mess up the process. This is just...butthurt.

Actually, I consider myself fairly liberal (socially) and I'd sooner vote for Huntsman & his magic underwear than Obama. Obama's signature of the NDAA, especially, bothers me. It's all the other nutcases in the election, and Two-fa - err Romney - that scared the shiat out of me.


What about NDAA do you object to, and why?
 
2012-01-11 02:35:00 PM  
Look Mitt, and all richers I guess,

We don't dislike you because you have more than we do, or even the fact that you don't now, nor have you ever, had to worry about where your next meal is coming from. We accept that people have more than us and we're fine with it. Would we like more than we currently have? Sure! Who wouldn't? Even the richest man in the world would give it all up for a little more.

Our problem stems from when you try to pull this "See? I'm just a regular Joe like you! Hey look! I'm unemployed too! I used to have to worry about losing my job as well, lemme tell you!" Everyone knows you're richer than farking God himself and that you've never, ever ever ever, wanted for food or clothing or wondered if you were going to have a roof over your head next month. So when you try to talk about the struggles you've encountered in your life as if they're anything even remotely approaching the stuff that those of us who didn't or don't have a lot had to go through, well, you come across as kind of a disconnected dickhole.

In short, we're not jealous of your success, we just think you're an asshole. You're rich, and you always have been, just own it. A tough upbringing that'll score you points with the pleebs is one of the few things money can't buy.
 
2012-01-11 02:35:18 PM  

Exception Collection: madgonad: You know that NDAA is a Republican add-on? Obama biatched about it and said he wouldn't enforce it when he signed it.

Every damn GOP candidate (except RON PAUL) in the primaries would sign it, but please go on being stupid.

I knew it was a R add-on, but I didn't know (until now) that Hunstman explicitly supported it. I guess he's not quite as good as I thought.

Paul's out because of his asinine views on LGBT rights, and his foolishness when it comes to financial issues.

I don't care if it will be enforced or not, I care that it was *signed*. He should have vetoed it, period.


He HAD to sign it. Otherwise the government would go into shut-down mode again. The economy really can't handle another round of that.

Huntsman is kind of like HW Bush. However, he has the Mormon cloud over him and the very close ties to Asia can work both for or against him. Someone has to run against Obama, and I would rather have a sane GOP contender in November if it ever comes to light that Obama is a reverse-vampire or something.

/I have dreams about going to the polls and seeing two or three names and having to decide which one is more awesome
//Instead, I have 22 years of voting AGAINST one idiot or the other (yes, I have voted for MANY Republicans)
 
2012-01-11 02:37:43 PM  

madgonad: /I have dreams about going to the polls and seeing two or three names and having to decide which one is more awesome


That's an odd thing to dream about.
 
2012-01-11 02:38:18 PM  
The problem is that tens of millions of Americans believe that the rich are working in their interests and that people poorer than themselves are the enemy.
 
2012-01-11 02:39:33 PM  

I_C_Weener: But I see your point. You have no ability to consider voting for the Republicans...which brings me back to...why do you care who they nominate?


If they nominate Newt, I won't have to donate as much to the Obama campaign in the fall.

/Somewhat facetious.
 
2012-01-11 02:41:38 PM  

Corvus: But it was part of the entire defense bill. If he would of vetoed it just for that he would of been demolished politically.


This wouldn't be a valid point even if his signing statement substantively disagreed with the ideas in the NDAA. Setting the precedent he's setting - especially with the weasel wording within the signing statement - is incredibly dangerous. Governments do not easily give up power.

Corvus: He tried to close it down, congress stopped it. He is the president not the dictator of the United States.'


He has the authority to direct the military to treat them under full protections of prisoners of war, and force prosecution on those he wishes to treat as more. Instead, he's maintaining the idea of 'enemy combatants' as a separate definition.

I_C_Weener: GITMO/and Detainees haven't really been given any more rights either.


Not true. See the EO Obama issued that officially ended torture and extraordinary rendition. Not quite where we should be, but they were significant improvements.

Corvus: What how about DADT repeal and no longer supporting the defense of DOMA?


Noble steps towards a goal, but not enough to somehow balance even just the above.
 
2012-01-11 02:41:43 PM  

farkityfarker: The problem is that tens of millions of Americans believe that the rich are working in their interests and that people poorer than themselves are the enemy.


Or, the Tea Party.

//obviously, you're not into that whole brevity thing.
 
2012-01-11 02:42:45 PM  

Corvus: madgonad: The biggest complainer about taxes and social programs I know has an autistic child that gets sent to a special school. That costs the taxpayer more than $80k a year.

Hahah!

I also know knew a conservative who biatched and moaned about government spending and also has her son in the same type of program. It's like "Hey, you know when Republicans are talking about government 'waste' they are talking about the program for your kid". She can't put that together. To them government spending is always money "other people" get.


My friend lives across the state line, so I don't have to pay for it. He only has one kid and his wife doesn't have a job (and he works from home). Not sure why they need $80k+ day care.

/he is an awesome kid though
//I happily pay my taxes to help those in need
///just get pissed when others that DO receive more than they pay are biatching about it
 
2012-01-11 02:43:11 PM  

beta_plus: I bet he worries about the price of arugula, too, just like normal americans.


You can grow arugula, it's really easy. It's always nice to have some fresh greens around, it's also very good for you.
 
2012-01-11 02:43:13 PM  
Another Republican asshole born on third yet claims he hit a triple.

Shocking, isn't it?
 
2012-01-11 02:45:08 PM  

RexTalionis: madgonad: /I have dreams about going to the polls and seeing two or three names and having to decide which one is more awesome

That's an odd thing to dream about.


Everyone dreams about things they will never have. I also have dreams about shagging Angelina Jolie and Christina Hendricks. None of those things are ever likely to happen.
 
2012-01-11 02:45:59 PM  

sprawl15: Corvus: But it was part of the entire defense bill. If he would of vetoed it just for that he would of been demolished politically.

This wouldn't be a valid point even if his signing statement substantively disagreed with the ideas in the NDAA. Setting the precedent he's setting - especially with the weasel wording within the signing statement - is incredibly dangerous. Governments do not easily give up power.

Corvus: He tried to close it down, congress stopped it. He is the president not the dictator of the United States.'

He has the authority to direct the military to treat them under full protections of prisoners of war, and force prosecution on those he wishes to treat as more. Instead, he's maintaining the idea of 'enemy combatants' as a separate definition.

I_C_Weener: GITMO/and Detainees haven't really been given any more rights either.

Not true. See the EO Obama issued that officially ended torture and extraordinary rendition. Not quite where we should be, but they were significant improvements.

Corvus: What how about DADT repeal and no longer supporting the defense of DOMA?

Noble steps towards a goal, but not enough to somehow balance even just the above.


Politics is about compromise. We've seen one side refuse to compromise and it has skewed the perception of many people. Even Barry Goldwater and Ted Kennedy understood this and did just that.
 
2012-01-11 02:46:37 PM  

I_C_Weener: I, honestly, can't fathom why liberals and Democrats care who runs. They are going to vote for Obama anyway.


It must be deeply confusing to you why people care who gets nominated for Oscars. They don't get to vote for that at all.
 
2012-01-11 02:47:45 PM  

CPennypacker: Remember, he's unemployed!


And I'll bet he's not accepting any unemployment benefits. A true hero for all bootstrappers!
 
2012-01-11 02:48:10 PM  

madgonad: RexTalionis: madgonad: /I have dreams about going to the polls and seeing two or three names and having to decide which one is more awesome

That's an odd thing to dream about.

Everyone dreams about things they will never have. I also have dreams about shagging Angelina Jolie and Christina Hendricks. None of those things are ever likely to happen.


Sometimes, I dream about hunting deer naked in an ancient forest.

/Actually, that might happen.
 
2012-01-11 02:50:12 PM  

madgonad: RexTalionis: madgonad: /I have dreams about going to the polls and seeing two or three names and having to decide which one is more awesome

That's an odd thing to dream about.

Everyone dreams about things they will never have. I also have dreams about shagging Angelina Jolie and Christina Hendricks. None of those things are ever likely to happen.


But the real question is: Do you dream about shagging Angelina Jolie and Christina Hendricks in a voting booth?
 
2012-01-11 02:50:19 PM  

xalres: In short, we're not jealous of your success, we just think you're an asshole. You're rich, and you always have been, just own it. A tough upbringing that'll score you points with the pleebs is one of the few things money can't buy.


If only they invented a term to describe his hypocrisy and why folks dislike hypocrites... maybe urbandictionary has something
 
2012-01-11 02:50:32 PM  
Next: Romney will say, "I'm not a witch. I'm nothing you've heard. I'm you."
 
2012-01-11 02:51:32 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Politics is about compromise.


Not when the action requires no compromise to commit. His signing statement could have listed a much more restrained interpretation of the AUMF, rendering the language in the NDAA unenforceable. Instead, he said government has those powers by default and he's just choosing not to use it. The treatment of detainees can be changed by an executive order to be in accordance with full protections/rights of POWs.
 
2012-01-11 02:52:03 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: But the real question is: Do you dream about shagging Angelina Jolie and Christina Hendricks in a voting booth?


At the same time, stacked up like cordwood on the ballot table...
 
2012-01-11 02:53:29 PM  

I_C_Weener: why do you care who they nominate?


This is not Rocket Surgery. If Obama is defeated by the republican nominee, I would like it to be a nominee that is capable of effectively running the country. That is something you can say about one or two of the candidates and not the others. I'd rather they not nominate one of the wingnuts so that if the republican wins, it's not a wingnut winning.

Are you really so dense that you can only see things in such a two-dimensional way?
 
2012-01-11 02:54:28 PM  
Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Going to be a long year, Mitt.
 
2012-01-11 02:55:52 PM  
Yeah but subbby unfortunately delusional is a job requirement if you are a Republican candidate.
 
2012-01-11 02:58:03 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: But the real question is: Do you dream about shagging Angelina Jolie and Christina Hendricks in a voting booth?


I will now.

/will need a bigger booth
//especially for Christina
 
2012-01-11 02:58:58 PM  

Splinshints: I_C_Weener: why do you care who they nominate?

This is not Rocket Surgery. If Obama is defeated by the republican nominee, I would like it to be a nominee that is capable of effectively running the country. That is something you can say about one or two of the candidates and not the others. I'd rather they not nominate one of the wingnuts so that if the republican wins, it's not a wingnut winning.

Are you really so dense that you can only see things in such a two-dimensional way?


I'd rather they nominate the wingnut who has no chance of winning
 
2012-01-11 02:59:27 PM  
I got a big secret for everybody: None of these politicians are self-made.

/Shhhhh...
 
2012-01-11 03:04:49 PM  

Exception Collection: madgonad: You know that NDAA is a Republican add-on? Obama biatched about it and said he wouldn't enforce it when he signed it.

Every damn GOP candidate (except RON PAUL) in the primaries would sign it, but please go on being stupid.

I knew it was a R add-on, but I didn't know (until now) that Hunstman explicitly supported it. I guess he's not quite as good as I thought.

Paul's out because of his asinine views on LGBT rights, and his foolishness when it comes to financial issues.

I don't care if it will be enforced or not, I care that it was *signed*. He should have vetoed it, period.


do you know what NDAA stands for? Are you under misapprehension that it was some sort of stand-alone bill? NDAA stands for National Defense Authorization Act and it contains the entire budget for the DOD for the entire year. Because Congress has been so worthless this year, it was getting passed literally DAYS before the Pentagon ran out of money and had to start stiffing soldiers on their pay.

There is no Line item veto, so if Obama vetoed the NDAA he would have forced the military to essentially shut down-in the middle of a war. Obama forced revisions in the law that rendered it, in my professional legal judgment, completely toothless and nothing new.

So would vetoing the law, with all the negative consequences that would have had, really been the right thing to do? Think with your head and not your heart.
 
2012-01-11 03:06:39 PM  

Splinshints: I_C_Weener: why do you care who they nominate?

This is not Rocket Surgery. If Obama is defeated by the republican nominee, I would like it to be a nominee that is capable of effectively running the country. That is something you can say about one or two of the candidates and not the others. I'd rather they not nominate one of the wingnuts so that if the republican wins, it's not a wingnut winning.


On top of that, having a rational GOP contender - even if they have no chance of winning the general - could shift the political tone in the country drastically. Someone like RONPAUL (as much as I dislike him) in a debate against Obama would be starkly different than Santorum or Romney against Obama.
 
2012-01-11 03:07:20 PM  
So if Romney wins the nomination, the choice will be between


A) A guy who actively profited from banking fraud, or

B) A guy who campaigned on prosecuting fraud, then rolled over and has facilitated banks being given a free pass on prosecution.

Decisions decisions.
 
2012-01-11 03:08:11 PM  
Anybody remember whether I_C_Weener had any opinions about Obama during the last presidential election? I'm sure he had none, since he wasn't going to vote for the Democrat anyway.
 
2012-01-11 03:09:10 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: I got a big secret for everybody: None of these politicians are self-made.

/Shhhhh...


Obama? Pray tell, what silver spoon family was be born into? The king of Kenya?
 
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