USA, USA, USA!!!

CNN has to be the most worthless POS in MSM.

"Prosecutors said Willie was in pain and begged to see a doctor, but his parents said they couldn't afford it and did nothing. Parental neglect was just as responsible for Willie's death as the cancer, Prosecutor Bill Mason said.
Robinson and Hussing aren't married. They moved to Cleveland three weeks before Willie died. His siblings, now ages 15, 13, 8, 7 and 5, were also not going to school or getting medical care." Link (new window)

This was child abuse.

I swear, I don't know why anyone links to CNN, Yahoo, or AP. It's all crap.

ginandbacon: CNN has to be the most worthless POS in MSM.

"Prosecutors said Willie was in pain and begged to see a doctor, but his parents said they couldn't afford it and did nothing. Parental neglect was just as responsible for Willie's death as the cancer, Prosecutor Bill Mason said.
Robinson and Hussing aren't married. They moved to Cleveland three weeks before Willie died. His siblings, now ages 15, 13, 8, 7 and 5, were also not going to school or getting medical care." Link (new window)

This was child abuse.

I swear, I don't know why anyone links to CNN, Yahoo, or AP. It's all crap.


There is no reason EVER why the bolded portion has to figure in to the decision process, hence my USA USA post earlier. That is at least as nasty as the behavior you site, which is valid.

BTW love your handle.

Madbassist1: ginandbacon: CNN has to be the most worthless POS in MSM.

"Prosecutors said Willie was in pain and begged to see a doctor, but his parents said they couldn't afford it and did nothing. Parental neglect was just as responsible for Willie's death as the cancer, Prosecutor Bill Mason said.
Robinson and Hussing aren't married. They moved to Cleveland three weeks before Willie died. His siblings, now ages 15, 13, 8, 7 and 5, were also not going to school or getting medical care." Link (new window)

This was child abuse.

I swear, I don't know why anyone links to CNN, Yahoo, or AP. It's all crap.


There is no reason EVER why the bolded portion has to figure in to the decision process, hence my USA USA post earlier. That is at least as nasty as the behavior you site, which is valid.

BTW love your handle.

Aw, thanks!

But cost NEVER applies with children. Medicaid will always cover minors. You may not get all the bells and whistles or the latest asthma inhaler, but we do cover kids at least in this country. There is NO EXCUSE for what these parents did and that article was pathetic.

You can be pretty damn poor and still make to much to qualify for Medicade or even CHIP.

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Truly, the unnecessary death of children because of expensive medicine is what makes American great. Right Republicans? That is your philosophy, isn't it?

vpb: You can be pretty damn poor and still make to much to qualify for Medicade or even CHIP.

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It's state by state, and Texas has a terrible enrollment record, but Medicaid will cover any child with medical needs that their parents cannot pay for. The barriers in Texas are not about eligibility, but access. They have the same problems with SNAP and TANF.

These children weren't even attending school. There is no excuse. Period.

Choosing to live is an elective procedure.

ginandbacon: vpb: You can be pretty damn poor and still make to much to qualify for Medicade or even CHIP.

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It's state by state, and Texas has a terrible enrollment record, but Medicaid will cover any child with medical needs that their parents cannot pay for. The barriers in Texas are not about eligibility, but access. They have the same problems with SNAP and TANF.

These children weren't even attending school. There is no excuse. Period.

I haven't checked lately, but back when the wife and I were unemployed in the 90s, I went down to talk to the DCF folk. They looked at my documents and told me that to qualify for Medicaid (just for the kids) we would have to sell our only car. And, of course, to continue getting unemployment I'd have to apply for jobs daily. Without a car.

ginandbacon: These children weren't even attending school. There is no excuse. Period.

You brought facts and the issue of parental responsibility into a story that is strictly about emotional appeals. Shame on you, child-hater. SHAME.

dahmers love zombie: ginandbacon: vpb: You can be pretty damn poor and still make to much to qualify for Medicade or even CHIP.

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It's state by state, and Texas has a terrible enrollment record, but Medicaid will cover any child with medical needs that their parents cannot pay for. The barriers in Texas are not about eligibility, but access. They have the same problems with SNAP and TANF.

These children weren't even attending school. There is no excuse. Period.

I haven't checked lately, but back when the wife and I were unemployed in the 90s, I went down to talk to the DCF folk. They looked at my documents and told me that to qualify for Medicaid (just for the kids) we would have to sell our only car. And, of course, to continue getting unemployment I'd have to apply for jobs daily. Without a car.

And I would wager a fair bit of money that it's even harder to get on Medicaid today.

TFA: The parents of an 8-year-old Ohio boy who died of cancer in 2008 have pleaded guilty to attempted involuntary manslaughter in his death.

"Attempted involuntary manslaughter"? That sounds like something the DA made up just so they had something to charge these people with besides "being really crappy parents".

Also, it's a sad state of affairs when "couldn't afford to see the doctor" is a plausible excuse in this sort of situation.

dahmers love zombie: ginandbacon: vpb: You can be pretty damn poor and still make to much to qualify for Medicade or even CHIP.

Link (new window)

It's state by state, and Texas has a terrible enrollment record, but Medicaid will cover any child with medical needs that their parents cannot pay for. The barriers in Texas are not about eligibility, but access. They have the same problems with SNAP and TANF.

These children weren't even attending school. There is no excuse. Period.

I haven't checked lately, but back when the wife and I were unemployed in the 90s, I went down to talk to the DCF folk. They looked at my documents and told me that to qualify for Medicaid (just for the kids) we would have to sell our only car. And, of course, to continue getting unemployment I'd have to apply for jobs daily. Without a car.

For children, most eligibility is declaratory and very generous. Some states are putting up intimidating application processes, but that doesn't change eligibility.

In the 90s, cars were assessed at Blue Book value and could be counted against a claim. That's not the case in the states that I am familiar with today.

Gulper Eel: ginandbacon: These children weren't even attending school. There is no excuse. Period.

You brought facts and the issue of parental responsibility into a story that is strictly about emotional appeals. Shame on you, child-hater. SHAME.

*goes to the corner*

GAT_00: And I would wager a fair bit of money that it's even harder to get on Medicaid today.

No, for children it's easier. But many who are eligible are not enrolled.

Headso: Does this mean insurance companies who deny claims can be charged with "Attempted involuntary manslaughter"?

That would be nice.

ginandbacon: GAT_00: And I would wager a fair bit of money that it's even harder to get on Medicaid today.

No, for children it's easier. But many who are eligible are not enrolled.

That is likely true. The amount of hoop-jumping involved with getting enrolled in the program is stupifying. I should know, I tried to get into it when my daughter was born. I ended up walking out. It's very daunting.

vpb: You can be pretty damn poor and still make to much to qualify for Medicade or even CHIP.

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True, but there are plenty of agencies that offer free/low cost care to ill children. These assholes didn't even try contacting any of them. According to the article, they didn't even take the child to an ER.

They're claiming the system failed them, but I disagree. They failed their child by not trying to get even the most minimum of medical help for him.

Madbassist1: ginandbacon: GAT_00: And I would wager a fair bit of money that it's even harder to get on Medicaid today.

No, for children it's easier. But many who are eligible are not enrolled.

That is likely true. The amount of hoop-jumping involved with getting enrolled in the program is stupifying. I should know, I tried to get into it when my daughter was born. I ended up walking out. It's very daunting.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's really bad in some states.

Bathia_Mapes: They failed their child by not trying to get even the most minimum of medical help for him.

Exactly.

ginandbacon: Madbassist1: ginandbacon: GAT_00: And I would wager a fair bit of money that it's even harder to get on Medicaid today.

No, for children it's easier. But many who are eligible are not enrolled.

That is likely true. The amount of hoop-jumping involved with getting enrolled in the program is stupifying. I should know, I tried to get into it when my daughter was born. I ended up walking out. It's very daunting.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's really bad in some states.

Bathia_Mapes: They failed their child by not trying to get even the most minimum of medical help for him.

Exactly.

Mostly, it is because the programs are understaffed. What should take 20 min. takes 4 hours because there aren't enough people to deal with all the people/paperwork.

They may have failed their child. I am not disputing that, especially as long as this must have went on, but I personally have had to decide on if nmy child really needed to go to the doctor or not. It's not a good place to be, and I can easilly see them saying "It doesnt hurt, and went away last time" when making the decision. Ginandbacon's other discoveries on the matter excluded from my reasoning.

GAT_00: Truly, the unnecessary death of children because of expensive medicine is what makes American great. Right Republicans? That is your philosophy, isn't it?

Damn you are right we should just abort them all.

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Something stinks here, and it isnt just the parents

Madbassist1: Mostly, it is because the programs are understaffed. What should take 20 min. takes 4 hours because there aren't enough people to deal with all the people/paperwork.

Sadly, in many states it's deliberate. They want to limit enrollment to be able to say that they cut the number of people on assistance by x amount. Even though these are federally funded programs that don't impact their budgets. They are playing politics with the most at risk persons (children) with no regard to the real-life costs. It's shameful.

That said, the parents in this story refused to provide any education or medical care for any of their kids. That's just inexcusable.

I heard "we can't afford to go to the doctor / dentist / other practitioner" all the time as a kid. I'm really glad that we're taking care of kids (medicaid) better than twenty years ago. Too bad its even still an issue. In civilization, it wouldn't be.

Number 1 healthcare system in the world.

skullkrusher: ginandbacon: CNN has to be the most worthless POS in MSM.

"Prosecutors said Willie was in pain and begged to see a doctor, but his parents said they couldn't afford it and did nothing. Parental neglect was just as responsible for Willie's death as the cancer, Prosecutor Bill Mason said.
Robinson and Hussing aren't married. They moved to Cleveland three weeks before Willie died. His siblings, now ages 15, 13, 8, 7 and 5, were also not going to school or getting medical care." Link (new window)

This was child abuse.

I swear, I don't know why anyone links to CNN, Yahoo, or AP. It's all crap.

wow, going by the CNN story I was just thinking sad story but I don't know that the parents should go to jail... changed my mind.

I hope you don't take anything a prosecutor says as truthful. They lie as much as your average politician (which most of them are)