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But what about the banana, HulkHands? WHAT ABOUT THE BANANAS!!!???

In other news, 73% of Protestant Pastors are drooling vegetables / pizza.

Didn't you know subby? Scientific fact is subject to popular opinion in America.

It's strange how protestants in the UK have no problem with evolution (or at least I've not heard of any that do).

Charles Darwin to receive apology from the Church of England for rejecting evolution (new window)

No Bevets? Did he get banned or something?

CPennypacker: Didn't you know subby? Scientific fact is subject to popular opinion in America.

Facts are something people agree on there is still debate about evolution in the scientific community. Teach The Controversy!

Randomly selected Protestant churches? The survey was on behalf of the Southern Baptist Convention? While I'm sure a large number of pastors are anti-evolution (even God-directed evolution), I find these numbers fishy.

73% of Protestant pastors are playing to their uneducated, intentionally ignorant, base.


Still 25% less than GOP Politicians...

Because magic is a perfectly acceptable alternative to science.

I believe of God, but being a Deist, evolution just seems like the more logical way for said God to create life. Just make the building blocks, and design evolution and abiogenesis into the system.

Carth: CPennypacker: Didn't you know subby? Scientific fact is subject to popular opinion in America.

Facts are something people agree on there is still debate about evolution in the scientific community. Teach The Controversy!

If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be religious people.

They're Protestants, these are the nut bags that left the Catholic church when Catholics realize that the Bible is a good guide to living but isn't mean to be taken literally and is subject to interpretation.

Protestants have a shiny exterior but are the conservatives of Christianity.

Carth: CPennypacker: Didn't you know subby? Scientific fact is subject to popular opinion in America.

Facts are something people agree on there is still debate about evolution in the scientific community. Teach The Controversy!

Um, what debate is this you speak of? I was pretty sure scientists have settled any debate.

qorkfiend: Carth: CPennypacker: Didn't you know subby? Scientific fact is subject to popular opinion in America.

Facts are something people agree on there is still debate about evolution in the scientific community. Teach The Controversy!

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Ha ha! I've met some of these folks before.

I remember going to a friends house back in high school and had brought over a school biology book that had dinosaurs on the front cover. His parents made me put it back in my backpack. I remember at the time being confused because I was convinced they were messing with me, so I was laughing at them which made them keep getting angrier. Eventually they said they didn't believe in dinosaurs and didn't want that "filth" in the house. When it finally dawned on me that they were serious I think I must have made the most disgusted facial expression ever, because they kicked me out of their house.

Common people. Lets use our brains. Dinosaurs are real and the Earth is older then 6,000 years.

Glenford: No Bevets? Did he get banned or something?

I haven't seen him in ages, and I forgot who he ALTs as when he moonlights.

CPennypacker: qorkfiend: Carth: CPennypacker: Didn't you know subby? Scientific fact is subject to popular opinion in America.

Facts are something people agree on there is still debate about evolution in the scientific community. Teach The Controversy!

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Because pastors are not scientifically educated. If they were, they wouldn't be pastors.

dennysgod: They're Protestants, these are the nut bags that left the Catholic church when Catholics realize that the Bible is a good guide to living but isn't mean to be taken literally and is subject to interpretation.

Protestants have a shiny exterior but are the conservatives of Christianity.

I see qorkfiend already covered my response here.

dennysgod: They're Protestants, these are the nut bags that left the Catholic church when Catholics realize that the Bible is a good guide to living but isn't mean to be taken literally and is subject to interpretation.

Protestants have a shiny exterior but are the conservatives of Christianity.


The Protestant reformation started when the Catholic church began selling forgiveness to rich people.

They're both nuts...

qorkfiend: CPennypacker: qorkfiend: Carth: CPennypacker: Didn't you know subby? Scientific fact is subject to popular opinion in America.

Facts are something people agree on there is still debate about evolution in the scientific community. Teach The Controversy!

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Bible thumpers be bible thumpin'

according to a survey released Monday by the Southern Baptist Convention.

Yo, article-writing dude, Southern Baptists are not a superset of "protestants", they're a subset. You're not talking about protestants in general, you're talking about a very specific group, albeit a pretty large one. It's the same group that wants to outlaw dancing, all non-religious singing, and any form of sex that's fun. Well, actually just fun in general, I think.

Thats No Moose: It's strange how protestants in the UK have no problem with evolution (or at least I've not heard of any that do).

Because ....

jso2897: If you believe in things you don't understand, you will suffer - superstition ain't the way.

So for most people evolution and climate change?

JammerJim: Randomly selected Protestant churches? The survey was on behalf of the Southern Baptist Convention? While I'm sure a large number of pastors are anti-evolution (even God-directed evolution), I find these numbers fishy.

This.

Jim_Callahan:
Yo, article-writing dude, Southern Baptists are not a superset of "protestants", they're a subset. You're not talking about protestants in general, you're talking about a very specific group, albeit a pretty large one. It's the same group that wants to outlaw dancing, all non-religious singing, and any form of sex that's fun. Well, actually just fun in general, I think.

and This.

Quelle suprise.

JammerJim: Randomly selected Protestant churches? The survey was on behalf of the Southern Baptist Convention? While I'm sure a large number of pastors are anti-evolution (even God-directed evolution), I find these numbers fishy.

I was thinking the same thing. Actually, I was thinking they'd only included historically evangelical Protestant denominations and decided mainline Protestants aren't Protestants, just like Catholics aren't Christians.

jadedlee: JammerJim: Randomly selected Protestant churches? The survey was on behalf of the Southern Baptist Convention? While I'm sure a large number of pastors are anti-evolution (even God-directed evolution), I find these numbers fishy.

I was thinking the same thing. Actually, I was thinking they'd only included historically evangelical Protestant denominations and decided mainline Protestants aren't Protestants, just like Catholics aren't Christians.

Well let's see. 29% of the country is evangelical, whereas 14% of the country is mainline protestant. So its only 67% of protestants then if we assume the rest of the protestants ALL accept evolution. Which I doubt.

EngineerBoy: The good news is that this means the Totally Drug-Resistant tuberculosis (new window) recently identified in India doesn't actually exist! Yay!

Some people believe that humans don't evolve but other species might. We're special and exempt because god said so.

Anti-Evolutionists hate Evolution because it reminds them that one day Humanity will Evolve away from religion.

Saiga410: jso2897: If you believe in things you don't understand, you will suffer - superstition ain't the way.

So for most people evolution and climate change?

Don't have to believe in facts. That's thh funny thing about facts.

TFerWannaBe: EngineerBoy: The good news is that this means the Totally Drug-Resistant tuberculosis (new window) recently identified in India doesn't actually exist! Yay!

Some people believe that humans don't evolve but other species might. We're special and exempt because god said so.

The typical comeback is that they believe in "microevolution" but not "macroevolution," since the tuberculosis hasn't evolved into a lobster or something. This line of apologetics is problematic if held concurrently with a belief in Noah's flood.

(And yes, "micro" and "macro" evolution have actual meanings in biology.)

Jim_Callahan: Yo, article-writing dude, Southern Baptists are not a superset of "protestants", they're a subset. You're not talking about protestants in general, you're talking about a very specific group, albeit a pretty large one. It's the same group that wants to outlaw dancing, all non-religious singing, and any form of sex that's fun. Well, actually just fun in general, I think.

The report from the original surveying organization is here (new window). While Lifeway is an arm of the SBC, there's nothing in the article to imply that the survey was restricted only to Southern Baptist churches. Even if you assume that the polling organization cares nothing for accuracy (which is probably not fair,) many evangelical polling organizations constantly poll generic "Christians" about their beliefs to show how "compromised" the church in America is, since moral alarm is a good motivator. Check out the Barna group for one of the best examples.

Faith is believing in something you can't see, when there is no evidence for it. The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith. But to believe something doesn't exist, even when mountains of evidence support it? Well, that's just plain gullibility

A baby's laugh is proof of creationism.

dennysgod: They're Protestants, these are the nut bags that left the Catholic church when Catholics realize that the Bible is a good guide to living but isn't mean to be taken literally and is subject to interpretation.

Protestants have a shiny exterior but are the conservatives of Christianity.

Catholics decided the only way to God was through The Church and they held the keys to heaven. The only interpretation they would countenance was their own; anyone else trying was heresy, and not many could afford books and read Latin.

If you're talking about sola scriptura, the Bible is the authority, not the Church. It requires that matters of faith come from scriptures, but not that all scriptures be taken literally on faith. That's called fundamentalism and it came later.

EngineerBoy: The good news is that this means the Totally Drug-Resistant tuberculosis (new window) recently identified in India doesn't actually exist! Yay!

Actually it means God did it on purpose, to punish the heretics.

Martian_Astronomer: The report from the original surveying organization is here (new window).

Addendum: There is a PDF version of the report at that page which has more information. In the PDF, they discuss statistical differences between pastors who self-identify as "Mainline" and "Evangelical." There are also a few other interesting little gems in the PDF version of the report, such as:

Pastors with a graduate degree are less likely to strongly agree [with the statement "I believe the earth is approximately six thousand (6,000) years old."] (23% to 42%) and more likely to strongly disagree (42% to 18%) than pastors with at most a Bachelor's degree.

TFerWannaBe: EngineerBoy: The good news is that this means the Totally Drug-Resistant tuberculosis (new window) recently identified in India doesn't actually exist! Yay!

Some people believe that humans don't evolve but other species might. We're special and exempt because god said so.

No, actually the difference is between micro and macro evolution. Micro (adaptation of an existing organism to external pressures) is generally accepted. Only macro (the wholesale development of a distinct species) is what is rejected.

Why is this on the politics tab?

Politics are destroying Christianity in this country.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: TFerWannaBe: EngineerBoy: The good news is that this means the Totally Drug-Resistant tuberculosis (new window) recently identified in India doesn't actually exist! Yay!

Some people believe that humans don't evolve but other species might. We're special and exempt because god said so.

No, actually the difference is between micro and macro evolution. Micro (adaptation of an existing organism to external pressures) is generally accepted. Only macro (the wholesale development of a distinct species) is what is rejected.

Speciation and macroevolution are not synonyms!

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: TFerWannaBe: EngineerBoy: The good news is that this means the Totally Drug-Resistant tuberculosis (new window) recently identified in India doesn't actually exist! Yay!

Some people believe that humans don't evolve but other species might. We're special and exempt because god said so.

No, actually the difference is between micro and macro evolution. Micro (adaptation of an existing organism to external pressures) is generally accepted. Only macro (the wholesale development of a distinct species) is what is rejected.

No, I had a Lutheran woman with a degree in engineering from Purdue explain it to me that way. "I believe in evolution, but human's are Gods creatures."