Just be glad it was a highly moral man. Imagine if it was one of those godless heathens who was sexually assaulting other military personnel. Those guys don't have a connection to God to give them a moral compass.

So... douchebags are still douchebags even after they put on the uniform? No shiat.

Fingered...tehehe...

limeyfellow: Just be glad it was a highly moral man. Imagine if it was one of those godless heathens who was sexually assaulting other military personnel. Those guys don't have a connection to God to give them a moral compass.

This is going to be one of those threads where no one reads the article, and has outraged comments based on the fark headline, isn't it?

FTFA:

"What if a chaplain disagrees with how a victim is living her life?"

First off I'd like to extend a massive fark you to all military chaplains out there. Why the f**k should it matter what your opinions are with regard to how someone else conducts their lives?

F You chaplains you useless leaches.

My old battalion chaplain was arrested and sent home in the middle of our deployment to Iraq because his basement sex slave escaped and went to the police. Link (new window)

I just love how military women wake up the next morning with a hangover and a conscience.

cbackous: I think we should have atheist "chaplains" so that I can talk to a rational person and they cant rat me out.

I used to think that was a stupid argument, and calling them "atheist" probably isn't going to work, but after reading that article I see the need for a "non-demoniational" chaplain.

ThrobblefootSpectre: This is going to be one of those threads where no one reads the article, and has outraged comments based on the fark headline, isn't it?

There are articles linked to these forums of outrage?

ThrobblefootSpectre: limeyfellow: Just be glad it was a highly moral man. Imagine if it was one of those godless heathens who was sexually assaulting other military personnel. Those guys don't have a connection to God to give them a moral compass.

This is going to be one of those threads where no one reads the article, and has outraged comments based on the fark headline, isn't it?

You mean a Fark thread?

ThrobblefootSpectre: This is going to be one of those threads where no one reads the article, and has outraged comments based on the fark headline, isn't it?

So you're saying you actually support the act of branding of female officers with Hello Kitty tattoos while chaplains make them fight each other in pools of cherry Jell-o? You sir, are an inhuman monster.

FTFA: "It is not God's will for someone to be raped. It's not. And anyone who wants to argue theologically on that, I'm glad to do it right now."

I accept this chaplain's challenge.

ThrobblefootSpectre: This is going to be one of those threads where no one reads the article, and has outraged comments based on the fark headline, isn't it?


YUUUUP!

Well, at least he assaulted a woman. Not a child, not a male, but an adult, full breasted woman. Baby steps, people!

I applaud them for trying to combat the shocking number of sexual assaults in the military, however "after the fact" is not going to stop it from happening.

What they need to start with is pounding into recruits' heads in basic that female service personnel deserve the exact same respect male service personnel do.

The point is to "offer a space that feels safe. It's not our responsibility to be the investigators," says Rosenberg. "Suspend judgment, and trust that this person is speaking their truth to us."

*applause* This is the most vital first step in helping a rape victim become a rape survivor.

KiplingKat872: I applaud them for trying to combat the shocking number of sexual assaults in the military, however "after the fact" is not going to stop it from happening.

What they need to start with is pounding into recruits' heads in basic that female service personnel deserve the exact same respect male service personnel do.

I think you are mistaken if you believe they all repsect each other.

miss diminutive: So you're saying you actually support the act of branding of female officers with Hello Kitty tattoos while chaplains make them fight each other in pools of cherry Jell-o? You sir, are an inhuman monster.

What? Hell no! The hello kitty tattoos are for the guys. Women get helpful suggestions tattooed in strategic places.

cbackous: KiplingKat872: I applaud them for trying to combat the shocking number of sexual assaults in the military, however "after the fact" is not going to stop it from happening.

What they need to start with is pounding into recruits' heads in basic that female service personnel deserve the exact same respect male service personnel do.

At least half of these assaults are a result of drinking, doing something stupid, then regretting it in the morning.

Handle your booze.

Also something that should be handled in basic.

But the truth is there are a LOT of men, more men than are in the military in fact, who get drunk and do not have the urge to sexually assault women. Hell, even as sexist as things were in WWII, you do not hear many stories of WACs being raped by American soldiers and sailors.

Given this problem on top of the many other issues of various types of abuse we have heard coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan, I think it is time the military took a good long look at it's training process and exactly what kind of men they are creating. My family is military. Mom's family is Army and my Dad went through Navy basic in the 1960's before they altered training drastically for Vietnam. Even he and my uncles noticed the difference in the kind of soldiers that were being churned out. It is possible to be a good soldier and a good man, but the military has lost sight of that and it just cranking out killing machines/cannon fodder.

This is one of the symptoms.

malaktaus: My old battalion chaplain was arrested and sent home in the middle of our deployment to Iraq because his basement sex slave escaped and went to the police. Link (new window)

A BASEMENT? During a DEPLOYMENT? I swear, officers get over on housing.

liam76: KiplingKat872: I applaud them for trying to combat the shocking number of sexual assaults in the military, however "after the fact" is not going to stop it from happening.

What they need to start with is pounding into recruits' heads in basic that female service personnel deserve the exact same respect male service personnel do.

I think you are mistaken if you believe they all repsect each other.

They should. Their lives depend on one another.

You don't have to like the fellow members of your unit, but you sure as hell have to respect them, because without basic human respect, there is no trust and without trust, your arse will be left hanging.

KiplingKat872: You don't have to like the fellow members of your unit, but you sure as hell have to respect them, because without basic human respect, there is no trust and without trust, your arse will be left hanging.

I've served with a bunch of people for whom I had neither respect nor trust.

fireclown: KiplingKat872: You don't have to like the fellow members of your unit, but you sure as hell have to respect them, because without basic human respect, there is no trust and without trust, your arse will be left hanging.

I've served with a bunch of people for whom I had neither respect nor trust.

Felt safe with them did you? Knew they had you back? Had a wonderful experience serving in those units?

Rape is bad. But I thought this tidbit was interesting.

FTA: Last year, an Air Force study - the most comprehensive survey yet conducted by the military - found that 1 in 5 female airmen says she has been sexually assaulted since joining up.

FT Justice Department: (new window) When projected over a now typical 5 year college career, one in five young women experiences rape during college.

I mean, it's almost like young men have poor impulse control.

Also: Link (new window)

KiplingKat872: liam76: KiplingKat872: I applaud them for trying to combat the shocking number of sexual assaults in the military, however "after the fact" is not going to stop it from happening.

What they need to start with is pounding into recruits' heads in basic that female service personnel deserve the exact same respect male service personnel do.

I think you are mistaken if you believe they all repsect each other.

They should. Their lives depend on one another.

Incorrect. Their lives depend on everyone else.

KiplingKat872: Felt safe with them did you? Knew they had you back? Had a wonderful experience serving in those units?

It didn't make as much difference as you might think. As far as safety goes, I think I felt safer working with (for the record I was a combat engineer, so safety is a big deal with me) the the guys the repulsive guys than the dumb guys.

/yes, I realize that I am also not without flaws, and sometimes take up to 38 minutes to get to the gym.

Edit: safer working with the repulsive guys than with the dumb guys.

/my bad.

fireclown: Edit: safer working with the repulsive guys than with the dumb guys.

/my bad.

I think you are kind of making my point for me, you did not like "the repulsive guys" but you did respect them more than "the dumb guys."

The fact is something has gone wrong with the way the military trains and treats it's personnel that they would feed on each other like rabid dogs like this. I would imagine basic human respect is a part of it.

I'll just leave this one here... I helped work the case and dealt with the three poor chumps and their various methods to cope (alcohol)



Male Chaplain rapes three male troops (New Window)

KiplingKat872: I think you are kind of making my point for me, you did not like "the repulsive guys" but you did respect them more than "the dumb guys."

I didn't say that.

ThrobblefootSpectre:
This is going to be one of those threads where no one reads the article, and has outraged comments based on the fark headline, isn't it?

This is fark. You expect any other sort of thread?

shmashmortion: I'll just leave this one here... I helped work the case and dealt with the three poor chumps and their various methods to cope (alcohol)

Male Chaplain rapes three male troops (New Window)

Wow. That's heinous. So it is not just a sexist thing. (Tho' "roman catholic priest" should probably be pointed out.)

I'm glad you tried to help those men.

dv-ous: I mean, it's almost like young men have poor impulse control.

Also: Link (new window)

You might as well have found a blog trying to "retake" the term "feminazi" "for" women. Misandry isn't a proper response to misogyny ever.

KiplingKat872: I applaud them for trying to combat the shocking number of sexual assaults in the military, however "after the fact" is not going to stop it from happening.

What they need to start with is pounding into recruits' heads in basic that female service personnel deserve the exact same respect male service personnel do.

I agree with you, but Basic is pretty dated. Maybe C++ or Java would be better.

/Don't want the men to become too object-oriented.

FTFA: This new privilege is a rare benefit

So much sad in just a few words.

fireclown: malaktaus: My old battalion chaplain was arrested and sent home in the middle of our deployment to Iraq because his basement sex slave escaped and went to the police. Link (new window)

A BASEMENT? During a DEPLOYMENT? I swear, officers get over on housing.

This is what we call "attention to detail".

Saborlas: Articles like this make me question the blind soldier-worship encouraged by the GOP. "Support our troops!" No, I'm not gonna support rapists just because they got a uniform and a rank!

Just like everyone from Boston is a rapist.

shmashmortion: I'll just leave this one here... I helped work the case and dealt with the three poor chumps and their various methods to cope (alcohol)

Male Chaplain rapes three male troops (New Window)

URAPNIS: I just love how military women wake up the next morning with a hangover and a conscience.

Fixed?

Speaking from my military experience - and yes, during my enlistment I did manage to neither rape anyone, witness any rape, nor condone any rape - chaplains are pointless and outdated. The military needs trained counselors to deal with things like sexual assault, PTSD, drug abuse and so on. Chaplains are not trained nor licensed as counselors, by and large, and are the equivalent of going to a witch doctor when you need surgery. The DoD employs civilians and contracts out to counselors, but they put them under a huge stigma. Basically if you go to a counselor in the military, you're a "risk," but if you see a chaplain, then you're "spiritually fit," even though the Chaplain is probably not trained to properly help you. The military still has a backwards culture in terms of dealing with your personal problems.

verbaltoxin: Speaking from my military experience - and yes, during my enlistment I did manage to neither rape anyone, witness any rape, nor condone any rape - chaplains are pointless and outdated. The military needs trained counselors to deal with things like sexual assault, PTSD, drug abuse and so on. Chaplains are not trained nor licensed as counselors, by and large, and are the equivalent of going to a witch doctor when you need surgery. The DoD employs civilians and contracts out to counselors, but they put them under a huge stigma. Basically if you go to a counselor in the military, you're a "risk," but if you see a chaplain, then you're "spiritually fit," even though the Chaplain is probably not trained to properly help you. The military still has a backwards culture in terms of dealing with your personal problems.


A great deal of these problems has been changing in recent years.

The military (particularly the Army and Marine Corps) have been very actively attempting to change their culture about seeking psychological counselling -- both through changes in policies, procedures, and regulations; and through lots of "re-education" -- especially in the wake of the huge rise in suicides and wife-beating cases. Is there still a stigma? Sure, cultures do not change overnight; but the military leadership are actively endeavouring to change it and measurable progress is being made.

While training in psychology and counselling are not requirements for becoming a chaplain (one must have an accredited master's degree in divinity/theology and be ordained by their respective faith), modern pastoral education programmes tend to include some psych/counselling in their curriculum, with an emphasis on "encourage your parishioner to get help from a psychologist or LCSW when you see x, y, or z", and it is very common for chaplains to further their educations in the clinical arts and earn LCSWs or master's degrees in those fields.