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2012-01-11 10:14:11 AM  

unyon: And I bet that it sounded awesome. Even though it was early in the CD era, I can't believe that it could have been much more expensive than replacing the stereo outright. Either he wasn't very bright, or you might just have been the worst stereo sales guy ever.


There were no in-dash CD players out yet. Portables had JUST hit the market. CDs were still a novelty item for most consumers.

Actually, the sound quality wasn't all that bad, considering. The higher dynamic range helped counterbalance any losses which might have been the result of going through 2 inductive couplings. (CD to cassette adapter to 8-track)

As far as being the "worst" salesman ever, the guy left happy, and was a good repeat customer, so there's that.
 
2012-01-11 10:16:06 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Hawnkee: So does that mean the hipsters will have record players installed in their vehicles now?

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It's been done.


Jay Leno's 1956 Chrysler Imperial with that option
 
2012-01-11 10:18:43 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Lesbian Assault Vehicle


I lol'd. Also, dibs on band name.
 
2012-01-11 10:24:00 AM  
Hmmm... I actually spent 3 years working on GM's current generation of MP3 CD radios... I'm proud that it is still being used in their vehicle lines (almost 6 years since I left that project), and even featured in some of the commercials, but I think there are very good reasons for getting rid of the CD, mostly the mechanical issues.

The company I contracted with built three radios for GM, a simple CD Radio, a single MP3-capable CD Radio and a 6-disc changer. They were the "lead" team for those models of radio (and well known for their line of premium after-market car audio equipment). Early in development, we had issues with the 6-disc changer mechanism; the optical drive mechanisms are incredibly complex, and getting them just right is bad enough... making them durable to last in automotive environments is very difficult.

At the time we had also looked at using hard drives and converting the users' CDs to a digital format. The scheme was ponderous due to legal concerns at the time (Thanks, RIAA, for stifling innovation!!) and combined with barely being cost-effective at the time, it was dropped.

Today, with flash being cheap and legal issues mostly swept away by commercial pressure, I can see a pure solid-state media system being standard equipment in vehicles.

/Now if we could just get rid of those overbearing "hazardous materials" regulations imposed by Canada, California and Massachusetts...
 
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2012-01-11 10:33:02 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Hawnkee: So does that mean the hipsters will have record players installed in their vehicles now?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 481x500]
It's been done.




houseofcat.net
Haters gonna hate.
 
2012-01-11 10:37:33 AM  
this is an outrage.

well, i guess it means that you no longer need to give a shiat about the quality of your sound system though.
 
2012-01-11 10:43:09 AM  
shop.sirius.com

Got one of these. Even looked up a little mod online that makes it so it never tries to auto-reverse on you.
 
2012-01-11 10:50:26 AM  
My Ford came with SYNC, 6-disk CD changer, line in and USB. Nothing has ever been in the CD player. It's a complete waste of space. I have an old Nano that lives permanently in the car (unless I bring it in to change the music on it) attached to the USB port inside the center console. Never have to touch the Nano, I can control it with voice or the radio buttons. If I didn't have the Nano I could store everything on my phone (or just use Pandora, but I don't have an unlimited data plan) and listen through Bluetooth, though that tends to be hard on the phone battery.

This is the future of music in the car. With a setup like this why would I want to carry CDs around in my car? And even if you buy a CD, why wouldn't you immediately rip it and copy it to a digital music player? Physical media sucks.
 
2012-01-11 11:10:07 AM  

pdieten: My Ford came with SYNC, 6-disk CD changer, line in and USB. Nothing has ever been in the CD player. It's a complete waste of space. I have an old Nano that lives permanently in the car (unless I bring it in to change the music on it) attached to the USB port inside the center console. Never have to touch the Nano, I can control it with voice or the radio buttons. If I didn't have the Nano I could store everything on my phone (or just use Pandora, but I don't have an unlimited data plan) and listen through Bluetooth, though that tends to be hard on the phone battery.

This is the future of music in the car. With a setup like this why would I want to carry CDs around in my car? And even if you buy a CD, why wouldn't you immediately rip it and copy it to a digital music player? Physical media sucks.


I agree to a certain point about physical media, as I pretty much use a FM transmitter and my Nano the same way (except the Nano leaves the car because I use it for my alarm clock too). I prefer physical for films, because let's face it, Criterion Blu-rays are not only pretty to watch, and have awesome special features, they have some pretty sweet packaging:

i5.photobucket.com

I just like movies on DVD and BD more, and I still like a good old physical book, rather than a digital one. I do read and watch DCs though. Music has totally gone digital - high bitrate mp3s and/or FLAC.

/pic is hot like an exploding Ford Pinto
 
2012-01-11 11:16:32 AM  

markie_farkie: Also in other news, in 40 years, hipster douchebags will be sitting on their hovercouches, gloating over that vintage Sony 5 disc changer and enormous stack of CDs they scored at your estate sale.


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In 40 years I'll be 80, and probably my kids will be cleaning out my house. The house currently contains a 5-disc Sony CD changer and a 5'x3' media cabinet completely full of CDs that nobody listens to.

But check this. My wife also has a 200-CD carousel. Wait till they find that bad boy in 2052.
 
2012-01-11 11:17:42 AM  

BohemianGraham:
My Focus was kinda the bastard love child of the Tempo and Escort (replaced both, and it's a pre-2006 model), so I'm also in a little car that's low to the ground. Nova Scotians are notorious for tailgating, and on weekends I made a 45 minute commute on a major highway at night, and even those asshats without the HIDs tailgating me with their brights on blinds me, because so many people don't turn their brights off. I often get ...


Those moments are when I love having power outside mirrors. Just diddle with them until the glare from the brights shines back to the car behind.

Better yet, mount a small mirror to the inside top-center of your rear window.

/Who knew Nova Scotians were tailgating-with-the-brights-on assholes?
//I thought Canadians were nice and polite?
 
2012-01-11 11:23:42 AM  
I own one of these so that I can take my music with me where ever I go.
retrothing.typepad.com
 
2012-01-11 11:29:35 AM  
I almost exclusively use the following combination:

Phone -> Bluetooth FM transmitter -> FM radio

I have a 10GB playlist on my phone, and I'm not anal enough to be concerned about the quality of the sound. Plus, no wires!

I have never used the CD player I'm my car.
 
2012-01-11 11:31:39 AM  
BohemianGraham:

Buy a cheap secondhand beater Nano, load it with tunes and leave it in the car. The older and uglier the better, less likely to get stolen if you have to leave it out and if you can hide it then you don't have to look at it anyway. It's much more convenient this way. A Nano like my old gen2 works great.....

Video is not ready for the elimination of physical media. Needs too much bandwidth. I'm just talking audio right now.
 
2012-01-11 11:32:31 AM  
Oh dear, swype fail!
 
2012-01-11 11:36:16 AM  

digistil: adenosine: Migrating Coconut: The sound quality of a CD is so much better than a MP3 and i'm not an audiophile.

The mind is a powerful thing. Have you ever actually tested yourself to see if you could distinguish high bitrate MP3 files from uncompressed CD audio? A true blind listening test can be pretty humbling.

This. I'm guessing there's a much bigger difference between (good condition) vinyl and CD, than there is between CD and 320kbps MP3.

/Will never forget the first time someone schooled me in the vinyl vs CD... my grandma would be able to tell the difference in a blind test, side by side.


bullshiat. a properly mastered cd can be made to sound EXACTLY to the human ear like a vinyl record. will the waveforms be the same? nah. but i will tell you this -

a PBTHAL vinyl rip burned to cd is for all intents and purposes indistinguishable from the original record. NO, you CAN'T hear the difference, UNLESS you have about 20 grand in your stereo at which point the point is moot anyway because you have more money than sense.
 
2012-01-11 11:40:29 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: " "They were very worried about cost. They said to us: 'Get rid of the CD player. We don't use it.'"

That CD player probably represents .000001 percent of the cost of your car.

I can 'almost' see getting rid of CD drives because of the relative ease of ripping music to USB, etc...but movies are a bit more of a pain. It's not even "legal" to make copies of your movies that aren't "digital copies" included with your purchase. Sure, you can download some relatively small file from Itunes for mobile use, but what about the collection you already have? Good luck getting that DVD on a USB drive in a format that'll work in your vehicle.

Granted, I use software that'll do just that, but not eveyone can or is willing to do so.


Yes it is. Granted, though, it's illegal to make or distribute DVD ripping software, which I think is kind of a catch-22
 
2012-01-11 11:41:17 AM  

reported: But dagnabit, I still like to enjoy actual "CD quality" sound for good music with decent equipment.


Um... if you have any sort of decent MP3 player (say, I dunno, an iPod) you can just rip your CDs to ALAC/FLAC and play them that way.

Not that the overwhelming majority of people can tell the difference between a CD and a 128k VBR AAC file, however.
 
2012-01-11 11:51:31 AM  

Knara: reported: But dagnabit, I still like to enjoy actual "CD quality" sound for good music with decent equipment.

Um... if you have any sort of decent MP3 player (say, I dunno, an iPod) you can just rip your CDs to ALAC/FLAC and play them that way.

Not that the overwhelming majority of people can tell the difference between a CD and a 128k VBR AAC file, however.


any human with working ears can hear the diff between cd and 128. go up to 320 however and you simply aren't going to find many if any that can, however. there is that one guy that challenged audiophiles to tell the difference and offered a large reward to the one that actually could.

that reward remains unclaimed.
 
2012-01-11 11:57:33 AM  

Occam's Chainsaw: MissFeasance: I've had my car for a year and a half... I've never used the CD player. It also has a plugin for an iPod, but I've never used that, either. NPR FOR LYFE

If only my local NPR radio played anything other than classical and jazz. 'Parrently I needs me one o' them H-Dee radios afor I can lissen t'all the good talkin'.


My new (2012 model) came with and audio jack -- USB would've taken an upgrade to the real expensive radio, and I can stream my local NPR station (which is really 3 stations with AM for the news and most talky stuff and FM for the classical stuff with some news and other shows and an HD FM channei that's all xponential radio all the time) streams everything online with their app. Or the NPR app can stream about any show from any of many stations. So with that car radio and my smart phone, I'm all set wherever I am in the car.
 
2012-01-11 11:58:39 AM  

LesserEvil: a single MP3-capable CD Radio


Thank you!! I use it happily in my new to me '08 Sierra. Great work there, it is the best factory system I've heard, and for once, it's in my vehicle. Usually they hurt my ears a bit, and I'm not quite an audiophile. The last time my ears were this happy it took me a decent ~800wrms monstrosity with an Eclipse 8053 running active xo's and lots of time and money even with installing and setting up myself. It was amazing, but it was a gigantic pain. Very happy not having to think about doing that stuff again!

By the way, I can't find any info on it. If you could, could you email the details? Manufacturer, rms and peak wattage, perhaps speaker brand info if you can remember... I don't have loose lips, I'd just like to know since I'll be keeping this for quite a while and amazingly would like to keep it as close to factory as possible when/if the speakers finally let loose someday... eip
 
2012-01-11 11:59:31 AM  

frepnog: any human with working ears can hear the diff between cd and 128. go up to 320 however and you simply aren't going to find many if any that can, however. there is that one guy that challenged audiophiles to tell the difference and offered a large reward to the one that actually could.

that reward remains unclaimed.



AAC 128k vbr, not mp3 128k

Yes there is a difference

A huge difference

And no, most people can't hear it
 
kab
2012-01-11 11:59:54 AM  
Well, thank god. This will surely drive down the cost of vehicles.

/most car audio systems suck anyhow, and you're constantly fighting at least a 30+db noise level to begin with, so yeah, whatever
 
2012-01-11 12:02:18 PM  

frepnog: digistil: adenosine: Migrating Coconut: The sound quality of a CD is so much better than a MP3 and i'm not an audiophile.

The mind is a powerful thing. Have you ever actually tested yourself to see if you could distinguish high bitrate MP3 files from uncompressed CD audio? A true blind listening test can be pretty humbling.

This. I'm guessing there's a much bigger difference between (good condition) vinyl and CD, than there is between CD and 320kbps MP3.

/Will never forget the first time someone schooled me in the vinyl vs CD... my grandma would be able to tell the difference in a blind test, side by side.

bullshiat. a properly mastered cd can be made to sound EXACTLY to the human ear like a vinyl record. will the waveforms be the same? nah. but i will tell you this -

a PBTHAL vinyl rip burned to cd is for all intents and purposes indistinguishable from the original record. NO, you CAN'T hear the difference, UNLESS you have about 20 grand in your stereo at which point the point is moot anyway because you have more money than sense.


Uhmm, no. I use RCA 100 watt vacuum tube theater amps in my system, the phono preamp is from the 1960's, the turntable is Technics Sl1200 using a Shure VIII cart. The roomie's ten year old occasionally listens to 80's music. She PREFERS the vinyl copy of the song to digital, even she says that vinyl sounds better. When I go from CD to Vinyl, it's literally What the hell just happened?. The soundstage explodes into the room. It's like your'e in the room with the singer and my speakers aren't that great, just Cerwin Vegas with 15's, mid's and a tweeter. I can always tell a difference when going from vinyl to digital and vice-versa.

CD's are flat, and sterile and lifeless.

ALso, they are limited on frequency response. There's a whole layer of sound effects missing from the Dire Strait song Money for Nothing on the CD. Turntable picks it up, no problem.

And there is a difference between uncompressed CD audio and 320kbps mp3. The difference in high end, cymbals sound watery or very weak in most mp3.
 
kab
2012-01-11 12:05:04 PM  
Why don't you extend this a bit, and get rid of your utterly pointless (in most cases) 19" and up bling rims, and bring back actual option sheets on cars?

Too much trouble? Thought so.
 
2012-01-11 12:10:29 PM  
Unless car manufacturs want to do away with the DIN mounts altogether there is no appreciable difference in cost in having the CD slot in the stereo.

Now removing the ability to have a DIN mount, squeezing the amplifier(s) in somewhere behind the dash and just having a 1" deep touchscreen interface that controls everything - I could see a financial benefit to that. Those 10" deep DIN slots do take up a lot of room and limit the cabin shape. Previously the amplifier and media reader was jammed into a metal box to fit in that slot. Digital media could break that mould. This might be what the industry is talking about. The DIN form-factor for the stereo head unit being replaced could save money. The actual cost of having a CD drive in a typical head unit is negligible - maybe $10 at most.
 
2012-01-11 12:12:41 PM  

kab: Well, thank god. This will surely drive down the cost of vehicles.

/most car audio systems suck anyhow, and you're constantly fighting at least a 30+db noise level to begin with, so yeah, whatever


Yeah. It's why even thought at home I have everything in ALAC, on my iPhone (which is mostly used through my car system) everything is downconverted. The road/car noise just makes having the extra fidelity totally pointless.
 
2012-01-11 12:16:33 PM  

pdieten: BohemianGraham:

Buy a cheap secondhand beater Nano, load it with tunes and leave it in the car. The older and uglier the better, less likely to get stolen if you have to leave it out and if you can hide it then you don't have to look at it anyway. It's much more convenient this way. A Nano like my old gen2 works great.....

Video is not ready for the elimination of physical media. Needs too much bandwidth. I'm just talking audio right now.


I don't mind lugging my Nano around, it's rare that I forget it (only happens on mornings when I'm in a really big hurry and haven't had a coffee, last time that happened was 3 months ago). It's a 16GB 4th gen I bought on clearance 2 years ago. The less things I leave in my car, the better. Sometimes I even listen to it when I'm at work, so taking the Nano everywhere with me is far more convenient.

mistersnark: BohemianGraham:
My Focus was kinda the bastard love child of the Tempo and Escort (replaced both, and it's a pre-2006 model), so I'm also in a little car that's low to the ground. Nova Scotians are notorious for tailgating, and on weekends I made a 45 minute commute on a major highway at night, and even those asshats without the HIDs tailgating me with their brights on blinds me, because so many people don't turn their brights off. I often get ...

Those moments are when I love having power outside mirrors. Just diddle with them until the glare from the brights shines back to the car behind.

Better yet, mount a small mirror to the inside top-center of your rear window.

/Who knew Nova Scotians were tailgating-with-the-brights-on assholes?
//I thought Canadians were nice and polite?


You haven't experienced Canadian hospitality until you've lived here. Our politicians are very polite to 15 year old kids who chat with them on Twitter (new window)

Also, Halifax has Twitter to shame bad drivers too: Not sure who's more of an ass here, the drivers or the tweeters (new window)
 
2012-01-11 12:18:05 PM  

Artcurus: ALso, they are limited on frequency response.


(Rolls eyes)

How old are you? More than likely YOU are limited in frequency response. That little girl can probably hear 3-4k cycles higher than you.

Don't believe me? Test yourself.

I am 40 and 14Khz is the highest I can hear. My 6 year old can hear 21khz.

What you are hearing is hum and noise, which coincidentally human hearing actually likes. Many people have trouble falling asleep in a completely quiet room. That background hum can be very soothing.
 
2012-01-11 12:18:42 PM  
I still use CDs, but I also hook up my phone for MP3s and Pandora sometimes... and how much does removing a CD player lower the price of a car?

Why not just have a CD Player/USB Port/Aux Port combo?
 
2012-01-11 12:21:34 PM  

Enemabag Jones: When did cars stop being things to get from point A to point B and become these things where everything is about boring comfort. How about simplistic fun.


Probably when people realized that there is absolutely nothing fun about driving a giant metal box for hours with no power steering, ac, or power windows.
 
2012-01-11 12:25:16 PM  
machoprogrammer:
The problem is that high bitrate mp3s take up more storage. CDs fix that problem since you can just swap the CD. With a mp3 player/iPod, it isn't that easy to delete and get a new CD while driving.

Meh. Just get a CD player that plays MP3 files. I bought one last year that had the MP3 CD, Aux In on the front panel, HD radio, and 40 W/ch. for under $150. Just consider it a very minor repair.
 
2012-01-11 12:26:33 PM  

Tallman: Axel_Gear:
Oh, and bluetooth is standard too. So I generally just stream tunes out of my phone :) Pandora + unlimited data + bluetooth = musical driving bliss.


I felt the same... Until I discovered the "Tune in Radio" app. TRUST ME, drop a buck and buy it, it's sooooooo worth it, and you'll NEVER go back to Pandora again.

- you can search for music by genre, country, even city.
- you have a HUGE selection of music providers. It eclipses Pandora's selection
- you can record a song if you like it
- and more

Seriously, it's probably the best music app I've ever seen, and leaves Pandora in the dust. Just an incredible app. I haven't tuned my car radio in months.

/ no, I don't work for them. I just appreciate quality when I see it.
-
 
2012-01-11 12:30:20 PM  

pdieten: And even if you buy a CD, why wouldn't you immediately rip it and copy it to a digital music player?


Because I don't own a digital music player. Why would I buy a digital music player when I already have a CD player in my car, truck, motorcycle, living room, kids' room, lap top, desk top, and work computer?
 
2012-01-11 12:31:22 PM  

Iceberg659: Enemabag Jones: When did cars stop being things to get from point A to point B and become these things where everything is about boring comfort. How about simplistic fun.

Probably when people realized that there is absolutely nothing fun about driving a giant metal box for hours with no power steering, ac, or power windows.


Cars generally aren't "fun" to drive.
The only vehicle I've had that was actually "fun" to drive (as in, "lemme just go out and ride for an hour for kicks") was my motorcycle. Unless it's a luxury car, I don't see where the enjoyment from the experience comes from.
 
2012-01-11 12:35:43 PM  
Set up your damn playlist before you start your car. That way you're much less likely to be screwing around with the music when you should be focusing on the road.

I bought an aftermarket stereo with an iPod adapter. I can control the mp3 player with the radio buttons, which I think is safer then picking up the device itself and trying to fiddle with it while driving.
 
2012-01-11 12:41:00 PM  

Iceberg659: Enemabag Jones: When did cars stop being things to get from point A to point B and become these things where everything is about boring comfort. How about simplistic fun.

Probably when people realized that there is absolutely nothing fun about driving a giant metal box for hours with no power steering, ac, or power windows.


Well it's fun in a tiny metal crate.

www.ridelust.com
 
kab
2012-01-11 12:41:47 PM  

Iceberg659:
Probably when people realized that there is absolutely nothing fun about driving a giant metal box for hours with no power steering, ac, or power windows.


I'd wager that an Ariel Atom is far more fun to drive than a, say, Chrysler 300.

On the other hand, most of the 'advances' in auto have turned cars into personality-free appliances that simply aren't interesting at all, even with decent amounts of horsepower.
 
2012-01-11 12:42:50 PM  

El Morro: Tallman: Axel_Gear:
Oh, and bluetooth is standard too. So I generally just stream tunes out of my phone :) Pandora + unlimited data + bluetooth = musical driving bliss.

I felt the same... Until I discovered the "Tune in Radio" app. TRUST ME, drop a buck and buy it, it's sooooooo worth it, and you'll NEVER go back to Pandora again.

- you can search for music by genre, country, even city.
- you have a HUGE selection of music providers. It eclipses Pandora's selection
- you can record a song if you like it
- and more

Seriously, it's probably the best music app I've ever seen, and leaves Pandora in the dust. Just an incredible app. I haven't tuned my car radio in months.

/ no, I don't work for them. I just appreciate quality when I see it.
-


This, only the free version of Stitcher > free version of Tune-in.

// I use both, though Stitcher actually saves my faves in a list, Tune-in just claims to
 
kab
2012-01-11 12:42:57 PM  
goddammit, Kar98 :P
 
2012-01-11 12:45:06 PM  
Car makers could go back to the way my first car was: all wired for sound, roof antenna installed, but you had to bring your own speakers and stereo, and I'd be fine with that.

/Renault 18
 
2012-01-11 12:56:59 PM  

angry_scientist: LesserEvil: a single MP3-capable CD Radio

Thank you!! I use it happily in my new to me '08 Sierra. Great work there, it is the best factory system I've heard, and for once, it's in my vehicle. Usually they hurt my ears a bit, and I'm not quite an audiophile. The last time my ears were this happy it took me a decent ~800wrms monstrosity with an Eclipse 8053 running active xo's and lots of time and money even with installing and setting up myself. It was amazing, but it was a gigantic pain. Very happy not having to think about doing that stuff again!

By the way, I can't find any info on it. If you could, could you email the details? Manufacturer, rms and peak wattage, perhaps speaker brand info if you can remember... I don't have loose lips, I'd just like to know since I'll be keeping this for quite a while and amazingly would like to keep it as close to factory as possible when/if the speakers finally let loose someday... eip


I've since gotten rid of most of the doco I had from that customer... but there is a reason why it sounds so good. ;) We didn't do the speakers, though, nor the amps... I will say that GM did have pretty good standards when they engineered the system, and pretty good suppliers. GM's biggest downfall, unfortunately is that many vehicle line engineers had their own little "kingdoms" - I once saw a Buick engineer put us and other suppliers through hoops over illumination settings for the radio and HVAC on one car... spending probably $20k in engineering time, and in the end, she was "happy" with the settings we all started with, despite the fact there was no way she could have actually determined the difference in settings, anyway.

CSB time.... I was driving in a prototype car with the engineers (who were Japanese), and they were visibly cringing every time I gunned the engine on the expressway... one of my fellow engineers on the project explained that they were afraid the car would fall apart. I had to assure them that wasn't the case at all. Their prior experience had been with Toyota and Nissan cars that were more baling wire and chewing gum at that stage of development.

By the time we were finally putting our radios into production vehicles, many of the engineers had bought GM vehicles and were quite happy with them, despite an incredible cultural bias toward Japanese products.
 
2012-01-11 01:14:42 PM  

markie_farkie: unyon: And I bet that it sounded awesome. Even though it was early in the CD era, I can't believe that it could have been much more expensive than replacing the stereo outright. Either he wasn't very bright, or you might just have been the worst stereo sales guy ever.

There were no in-dash CD players out yet. Portables had JUST hit the market. CDs were still a novelty item for most consumers.

Actually, the sound quality wasn't all that bad, considering. The higher dynamic range helped counterbalance any losses which might have been the result of going through 2 inductive couplings. (CD to cassette adapter to 8-track)

As far as being the "worst" salesman ever, the guy left happy, and was a good repeat customer, so there's that.


Ok, your story checks out... this time. Carry on, citizen.

/CSB police
 
2012-01-11 01:26:52 PM  

Artcurus: frepnog: digistil: adenosine: Migrating Coconut: The sound quality of a CD is so much better than a MP3 and i'm not an audiophile.

The mind is a powerful thing. Have you ever actually tested yourself to see if you could distinguish high bitrate MP3 files from uncompressed CD audio? A true blind listening test can be pretty humbling.

This. I'm guessing there's a much bigger difference between (good condition) vinyl and CD, than there is between CD and 320kbps MP3.

/Will never forget the first time someone schooled me in the vinyl vs CD... my grandma would be able to tell the difference in a blind test, side by side.

bullshiat. a properly mastered cd can be made to sound EXACTLY to the human ear like a vinyl record. will the waveforms be the same? nah. but i will tell you this -

a PBTHAL vinyl rip burned to cd is for all intents and purposes indistinguishable from the original record. NO, you CAN'T hear the difference, UNLESS you have about 20 grand in your stereo at which point the point is moot anyway because you have more money than sense.

Uhmm, no. I use RCA 100 watt vacuum tube theater amps in my system, the phono preamp is from the 1960's, the turntable is Technics Sl1200 using a Shure VIII cart. The roomie's ten year old occasionally listens to 80's music. She PREFERS the vinyl copy of the song to digital, even she says that vinyl sounds better. When I go from CD to Vinyl, it's literally What the hell just happened?. The soundstage explodes into the room. It's like your'e in the room with the singer and my speakers aren't that great, just Cerwin Vegas with 15's, mid's and a tweeter. I can always tell a difference when going from vinyl to digital and vice-versa.

CD's are flat, and sterile and lifeless.

ALso, they are limited on frequency response. There's a whole layer of sound effects missing from the Dire Strait song Money for Nothing on the CD. Turntable picks it up, no problem.

And there is a difference between uncompressed CD audio and 320k ...


i will be the first one to tell you that most cd's sound like garbage. but what i said was also 100 percent true - capture one of your vinyl albums to a lossless file. dither it to cd quality. burn it.

a\b it with your roomie. she won't hear the difference. the "difference" she thinks she hears between cd and vinyl is surface noise. she misses it in the cd audio because on most cd's, the sound is crystal clear. problem is that humans LIKE that surface noise and actively miss it when it isn't there.

example - the Kiss album Alive II. I LOVE that album (fark you, it was one of my first vinyl records as a kid). I got the cd and the sound is farking superb. However, I HATE listening to it because it sounds so damn clear. I got a PBTHAL vinyl rip and suddenly I was rocking out like I was a kid again and then it dawned on me - on the vinyl rip i could hear the slight surface noise of a needle on vinyl.

it is nothing but perception, NOT actual sound quality.
 
2012-01-11 01:31:44 PM  

madgonad: Artcurus: ALso, they are limited on frequency response.

(Rolls eyes)

How old are you? More than likely YOU are limited in frequency response. That little girl can probably hear 3-4k cycles higher than you.

Don't believe me? Test yourself.

I am 40 and 14Khz is the highest I can hear. My 6 year old can hear 21khz.

What you are hearing is hum and noise, which coincidentally human hearing actually likes. Many people have trouble falling asleep in a completely quiet room. That background hum can be very soothing.


this. most people that are talking about "frequency response" and what not and about how vinyl is superior to cd have pretty much no idea what they are talking about, even if some of the science is on their side. yeah, a vinyl record holds a wave form.

so what. your ears can not tell the difference.
 
2012-01-11 01:36:26 PM  
Just bought a new car with USB and a CD player.

First thing I find out is that it is not compatible with my "old" 30GB IPod.

FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!
 
2012-01-11 02:09:39 PM  

amindtat: pdieten: And even if you buy a CD, why wouldn't you immediately rip it and copy it to a digital music player?

Because I don't own a digital music player. Why would I buy a digital music player when I already have a CD player in my car, truck, motorcycle, living room, kids' room, lap top, desk top, and work computer?


Good morning, Mr. Van Winkle. It's now the year 2012, and many people have discovered by now that CDs are a highly suboptimal format for music storage, since you can fit hundreds of CDs' worth of content into a space 1/8 the size of one jewel box.
 
2012-01-11 02:11:27 PM  

frepnog: problem is that humans LIKE that surface noise and actively miss it when it isn't there.


Interestingly, in my experience, this holds up for visual arts as well.

Not only that, but when it comes to video, the well known "it looks like a movie" effect of the ridiculously low framerate of modern filmmaking is considered superior in a lot of folks' minds.
 
2012-01-11 02:18:02 PM  

Knara: frepnog: problem is that humans LIKE that surface noise and actively miss it when it isn't there.

Interestingly, in my experience, this holds up for visual arts as well.

Not only that, but when it comes to video, the well known "it looks like a movie" effect of the ridiculously low framerate of modern filmmaking is considered superior in a lot of folks' minds.


that is because if the frame rate is too high it looks like a soap opera, and that to most people = cheap.
 
2012-01-11 02:20:02 PM  

frepnog: Knara: frepnog: problem is that humans LIKE that surface noise and actively miss it when it isn't there.

Interestingly, in my experience, this holds up for visual arts as well.

Not only that, but when it comes to video, the well known "it looks like a movie" effect of the ridiculously low framerate of modern filmmaking is considered superior in a lot of folks' minds.

that is because if the frame rate is too high it looks like a soap opera, and that to most people = cheap.


I am aware.
 
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