Heh, nothing like the pucker factor during that extra three feet of sink in the flare. "Okay, we should be on the wheels righ..."

Also, video title is misleading, should say "A Couple of Gmps."

That plane will fly again. That propeller won't, however.

How does one simply ignore the alarm?

They're French.

That explains everything.

Marcus Aurelius: How does one simply ignore the alarm?

Distraction. You think "I'll get on that as soon as the traffic ahead is no longer conflicting and after I finish this forward slip to lose altitude."

Then you don't.

Also, it's a lot less loud with the headsets on than it seems from watching the video.

Flint Ironstag: I suspect someone learned on a Tobago and this was their first flight in a Trinidad...

Basically the same plane, with one big difference. Can you guess what that is?

The propeller's not bent?

Charlie Freak: Marcus Aurelius: How does one simply ignore the alarm?

Distraction. You think "I'll get on that as soon as the traffic ahead is no longer conflicting and after I finish this forward slip to lose altitude."

Then you don't.

Also, it's a lot less loud with the headsets on than it seems from watching the video.

I've always found alarms to be much more distracting than traffic. Especially on descent.

Pretty sure this is a repeat. Looking now.

Flint Ironstag: Marcus Aurelius: Flint Ironstag: I suspect someone learned on a Tobago and this was their first flight in a Trinidad...

Basically the same plane, with one big difference. Can you guess what that is?

The propeller's not bent?

Okay, two big differences.


/I cannot imagine anything more embarrassing for a pilot. I read on one pilot who selected "Gear up" when taxiing so the second he lifted off the gear would retract, because it just looked cool. Until he took off from a runway with a bump half way. That did not look so cool.

There's the story of the instructor asking the student the best way to test the landing gear ground retraction lock-out, and the student suggests they just try retracting the gear. The instructor agrees.

They only bent their propeller on one side.

Flint Ironstag: Marcus Aurelius: Flint Ironstag: I suspect someone learned on a Tobago and this was their first flight in a Trinidad...

Basically the same plane, with one big difference. Can you guess what that is?

The propeller's not bent?

Okay, two big differences.


/I cannot imagine anything more embarrassing for a pilot. I read on one pilot who selected "Gear up" when taxiing so the second he lifted off the gear would retract, because it just looked cool. Until he took off from a runway with a bump half way. That did not look so cool.

One of the very few Gulfstream (I think?) tragedies happened when the pilot enjoyed lifting the nose wheel early to allay the bumps on take-off, and one day caught a sudden ~35 knot cross wind. He suddenly found himself visiting a hanger on the edge of the airfield at 150 knots.

Now THAT'S embarrassing.

Ironclad2: Any Pie Left: The approach angle looked steeper than you'd need, unless you were basically gliding it in with a dead engine and windmilling prop. Are we sure this was a case of forgetting the gear, and not something else?

This.

My ears are admittedly untrained, but I couldn't hear the engine or prop noise. Just wind noise over the fuselage, and that damn alarm.

I would think that if that was a dead engine landing, there'd be smiles, applause, backslaps and handshakes for the pilot. And merde falling out of their pantalons.

Ironclad2: Any Pie Left: The approach angle looked steeper than you'd need, unless you were basically gliding it in with a dead engine and windmilling prop. Are we sure this was a case of forgetting the gear, and not something else?

This.

My ears are admittedly untrained, but I couldn't hear the engine or prop noise. Just wind noise over the fuselage, and that damn alarm.

When you're in a steep decent the engine is at or very near idle. I once had an ATC tell me to turn for the numbers when I was halfway down the downwind, to get in ahead of a twin. Forty degrees of flaps, idle throttle, steep decent with a bit of slip, then a WWII carrier landing, turning until about three seconds before mains come down.

And anytime you practice a power off landing (which everyone should practice regularly), it's same deal, you idle the engine, max flaps, side slip as necessary to bleed off alt and come in at a relatively steep angle. Engine is not making much noise at all.

His approach wasn't unreasonable, yes a bit steep but that could be he just picked up the field late. And yes they're farking farktards that I hope are never in the same airspace as me.

I feel like it's some fake or intentional landing, because there are three people and NONE of them heard it? The cameraman couldn't be bothered to say "Hey what's that alert?"

Gig103: I feel like it's some fake or intentional landing, because there are three people and NONE of them heard it? The cameraman couldn't be bothered to say "Hey what's that alert?"

Flint Ironstag: Accident report.

I guess not.

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: I could definitely hear engine and prop noise at the start of the video, but after the initial alarm I don't hear it again even when the alarm pauses. However, that could be due to the change in camera position. I'm wondering if the initial alarm was actually for loss of engine power (they seem high up to get a landing gear alarm, but admittedly I am not a pilot). I'm wondering if this was intentionally a glide in landing for training, but they still forgot the gear because the gear alarm was superceded by the no-power alarm.

The gear alarm is based on engine RPM or manifold pressure. When they throttled back to idle for their slam dunk approach, the gear horn went off.

In a single engine plane, the alarm for loss of engine power is silence.

I am very sorry that no one was injured.

Phoenix_M: A good landing is one you can walk away from unless you're on the flight deck with John McCain, in which case he allegedly likely killed you in 1964.

FTFY

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: clear_prop: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: I could definitely hear engine and prop noise at the start of the video, but after the initial alarm I don't hear it again even when the alarm pauses. However, that could be due to the change in camera position. I'm wondering if the initial alarm was actually for loss of engine power (they seem high up to get a landing gear alarm, but admittedly I am not a pilot). I'm wondering if this was intentionally a glide in landing for training, but they still forgot the gear because the gear alarm was superceded by the no-power alarm.

The gear alarm is based on engine RPM or manifold pressure. When they throttled back to idle for their slam dunk approach, the gear horn went off.

In a single engine plane, the alarm for loss of engine power is silence.

Good point; I guess that's one case where there actually isn't an issue of alarm fatigue, although I suppose if there were enough other alarms going off, you might not notice the silence quite so much (although you might notice a change in vibration)

You'd notice. Small airplane engines are quite loud in the cockpit, and you're right about vibration, too. But, aside from the annunciators that light up, you'd also see the prop start to windmill (which looks way different from idling), and notice a marked reduction in performance.

Simply put, I don't think there are any single-engine pilots out there that have had a catastrophic engine failure and didn't notice it pretty much right away.