meh, maybe? if i was drunk enough...

/looks like she progressing down the faces of meth trail

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Small caliber bra

Some of us can only conceal derringers.



Ahhh, now there's the inflated sense of self-esteem.

Is this some kind of bust?

Funny, she doesn't look Mexican...

So....why'd she tell them she had a gun? Never talk to police. Even if you "know" they're going to find whatever it is you don't want them to find...don't tell them about it. They say "oh we'll go easy on you if you tell us" but they're LYING. They can legally lie to you. Don't do their job for them. Make them at least do a little bit of work for their conviction.
On another note, I don't have any problem with her carrying a gun. If she uses it to commit a crime, then there's already laws against that and making it "super-double-illegal" isn't going to do anything to stop it from happening. If she doesn't use it to commit a crime, then what's the problem?

jbuist:

I don't think society would be any more dangerous if we let, say, Martha Stewart own a gun.

we, well, I, can only hope that would turn out something like this


/one of these days Martha'll snap.
//and she'll be making decorative doilies out of someone's insides

Disturbing Porn Choreographer: Is this some kind of bust?

Uh, no ma'am. Not really .

imprimere: Disturbing Porn Choreographer: Is this some kind of bust?

Uh, no ma'am. Not really .

A Fark Handle: faces of meth

untaken_name: So....why'd she tell them she had a gun? Never talk to police. Even if you "know" they're going to find whatever it is you don't want them to find...don't tell them about it. They say "oh we'll go easy on you if you tell us" but they're LYING. They can legally lie to you. Don't do their job for them. Make them at least do a little bit of work for their conviction.
On another note, I don't have any problem with her carrying a gun. If she uses it to commit a crime, then there's already laws against that and making it "super-double-illegal" isn't going to do anything to stop it from happening. If she doesn't use it to commit a crime, then what's the problem?

These pretty much cover it all.

untaken_name: So....why'd she tell them she had a gun? Never talk to police. Even if you "know" they're going to find whatever it is you don't want them to find...don't tell them about it. They say "oh we'll go easy on you if you tell us" but they're LYING. They can legally lie to you. Don't do their job for them. Make them at least do a little bit of work for their conviction.

You are correct. Hell, even most cops will tell you not to talk to cops. Unless they're on duty, of course.



On another note, I don't have any problem with her carrying a gun. If she uses it to commit a crime, then there's already laws against that and making it "super-double-illegal" isn't going to do anything to stop it from happening. If she doesn't use it to commit a crime, then what's the problem?

There you go using logic.

She's 20? I would have accepted 40. I *might* have accepted 30.

I don't know what her priors are, but I'm going to guess they involve lots and lots of chemical abuse.

untaken_name: So....why'd she tell them she had a gun? Never talk to police. Even if you "know" they're going to find whatever it is you don't want them to find...don't tell them about it. They say "oh we'll go easy on you if you tell us" but they're LYING. They can legally lie to you. Don't do their job for them. Make them at least do a little bit of work for their conviction.
On another note, I don't have any problem with her carrying a gun. If she uses it to commit a crime, then there's already laws against that and making it "super-double-illegal" isn't going to do anything to stop it from happening. If she doesn't use it to commit a crime, then what's the problem?

Not answering truthfully when an officer asks if you're carrying a concealed weapon is a class 1 misdemeanor in AZ. If you they're going to find it anyway, not telling them is just going to be another charge on the list. ARS 13-3102.A(1)b

Not to mention that there is measurable increase in the risk of getting shot if their discovery of the gun doesn't go just right.

Normally I'd say you're right to not tell the police anything, but in this case it really could make things much worse for you.

this woman could hide some serious firepower



/stand back. I'll frisk her

JesseL: untaken_name: So....why'd she tell them she had a gun? Never talk to police. Even if you "know" they're going to find whatever it is you don't want them to find...don't tell them about it. They say "oh we'll go easy on you if you tell us" but they're LYING. They can legally lie to you. Don't do their job for them. Make them at least do a little bit of work for their conviction.
On another note, I don't have any problem with her carrying a gun. If she uses it to commit a crime, then there's already laws against that and making it "super-double-illegal" isn't going to do anything to stop it from happening. If she doesn't use it to commit a crime, then what's the problem?

Not answering truthfully when an officer asks if you're carrying a concealed weapon is a class 1 misdemeanor in AZ. If you they're going to find it anyway, not telling them is just going to be another charge on the list. ARS 13-3102.A(1)b

Not answering at all is your right.

Not to mention that there is measurable increase in the risk of getting shot if their discovery of the gun doesn't go just right.

Normally I'd say you're right to not tell the police anything, but in this case it really could make things much worse for you.

I'm not going to argue with you here because most cops don't do their job well in the first place, but if she makes no sudden or suggestive moves, they should have no reason to use deadly force. Sadly, the reality is that they will go into full-dick mode once they find it and will then be begging for a reason to harm or kill her.

JesseL: Not answering truthfully when an officer asks if you're carrying a concealed weapon is a class 1 misdemeanor in AZ. If you they're going to find it anyway, not telling them is just going to be another charge on the list. ARS 13-3102.A(1)b

Not to mention that there is measurable increase in the risk of getting shot if their discovery of the gun doesn't go just right.

Normally I'd say you're right to not tell the police anything, but in this case it really could make things much worse for you.


Not answering at all is not the same thing as answering untruthfully. The only information you are required by law to provide is your name. And you must furnish proof of ID, if you have such, in certain types of stops. Other than that, you have the right to remain silent. But you can waive that right at any time by not keeping your mouth shut. If you say "no officer I don't have any weapons", you're boned. But if they're executing a warrant on someone else, they have no call to be reaching inside your bra anyway. The article didn't say who the warrant was for, and I'm guessing that this chick just got harassed because of her priors (which is the main reason I don't think you should be legally required to identify yourself to an officer, even though the Supreme Court came down with that terrible Hiibel ruling.)

Boobs are very, very dangerous.

untaken_name: Not answering at all is not the same thing as answering untruthfully.

13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

1. Carrying a deadly weapon except a pocket knife concealed on his person or within his immediate control in or on a means of transportation:

(a) In the furtherance of a serious offense as defined in section 13-706, a violent crime as defined in section 13-901.03 or any other felony offense; or

(b) When contacted by a law enforcement officer and failing to accurately answer the officer if the officer asks whether the person is carrying a concealed deadly weapon; or
...

Not saying anything is failing to answer truthfully. A felon with a gun might beat the charge on fifth amendment grounds, but I wouldn't count on it.

/my GED in law is bigger than yours

Banned on the Run: this woman could hide some serious firepower

Yes, very impressive.

/it was up there somewhere

I'm not really a gun guy but I do ask: Is it a bra a common place to carry? It certainly looks cool in the movies but I would have to think even a small gun would bee too bulky for that sort of thing.

In fact, I can't think of a place that carrying a large piece of metal would appear seamless.

I did once have the chance to wear both of these in twin shoulder holsters. Let's just say it was difficult to "blend" on the street.

JesseL: untaken_name: Not answering at all is not the same thing as answering untruthfully.

13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

1. Carrying a deadly weapon except a pocket knife concealed on his person or within his immediate control in or on a means of transportation:

(a) In the furtherance of a serious offense as defined in section 13-706, a violent crime as defined in section 13-901.03 or any other felony offense; or

(b) When contacted by a law enforcement officer and failing to accurately answer the officer if the officer asks whether the person is carrying a concealed deadly weapon; or
...

Not saying anything is failing to answer truthfully. A felon with a gun might beat the charge on fifth amendment grounds, but I wouldn't count on it.

/my GED in law is bigger than yours

You're wrong and that state law is trumped by federal law

JesseL: untaken_name: Not answering at all is not the same thing as answering untruthfully.

13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

1. Carrying a deadly weapon except a pocket knife concealed on his person or within his immediate control in or on a means of transportation:

(a) In the furtherance of a serious offense as defined in section 13-706, a violent crime as defined in section 13-901.03 or any other felony offense; or

(b) When contacted by a law enforcement officer and failing to accurately answer the officer if the officer asks whether the person is carrying a concealed deadly weapon; or
...

Not saying anything is failing to answer truthfully. A felon with a gun might beat the charge on fifth amendment grounds, but I wouldn't count on it.

/my GED in law is bigger than yours

I'm not lawyer, but laws often step upon one another and with so many, how could they not? This is why we have so many supreme court rulings. My question, is does this law negate your right to remain silent?

Grobbley:
state law is trumped by federal law

Good point. I'm sure it's much more reasonable to expect people to be aware of their amendment rights rather than every law of every state as well.

JesseL: Not saying anything is failing to answer truthfully

No, it isn't. You cannot be legally compelled to testify against yourself. Refusal to answer a question is not the same thing as answering it falsely, even if one Arizona statute appears to say differently, but I'll note that "failing to accurately answer" could easily be legally distinguished from "failing to answer". What if the person is deaf? Even if the law does say what you claim that it says, that doesn't mean it's correct. There are still vagrancy laws on the books in some places, for example, even though they were declared un-Constitutional by the Supreme Court in the 60s. If you don't fight what the police are doing, they will get away with it. But that isn't the same thing as it being legal or right.

imprimere: JesseL: untaken_name: Not answering at all is not the same thing as answering untruthfully.

13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

1. Carrying a deadly weapon except a pocket knife concealed on his person or within his immediate control in or on a means of transportation:

(a) In the furtherance of a serious offense as defined in section 13-706, a violent crime as defined in section 13-901.03 or any other felony offense; or

(b) When contacted by a law enforcement officer and failing to accurately answer the officer if the officer asks whether the person is carrying a concealed deadly weapon; or
...

Not saying anything is failing to answer truthfully. A felon with a gun might beat the charge on fifth amendment grounds, but I wouldn't count on it.

/my GED in law is bigger than yours

I'm not lawyer, but laws often step upon one another and with so many, how could they not? This is why we have so many supreme court rulings. My question, is does this law negate your right to remain silent?

I'd say it negates your right to carry a concealed weapon. The charge isn't exactly for failing to answer, it's for failing to comply with the requirements for carrying a concealed weapon.

JesseL: imprimere: JesseL: untaken_name: Not answering at all is not the same thing as answering untruthfully.

13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

1. Carrying a deadly weapon except a pocket knife concealed on his person or within his immediate control in or on a means of transportation:

(a) In the furtherance of a serious offense as defined in section 13-706, a violent crime as defined in section 13-901.03 or any other felony offense; or

(b) When contacted by a law enforcement officer and failing to accurately answer the officer if the officer asks whether the person is carrying a concealed deadly weapon; or
...

Not saying anything is failing to answer truthfully. A felon with a gun might beat the charge on fifth amendment grounds, but I wouldn't count on it.

/my GED in law is bigger than yours

I'm not lawyer, but laws often step upon one another and with so many, how could they not? This is why we have so many supreme court rulings. My question, is does this law negate your right to remain silent?

I'd say it negates your right to carry a concealed weapon. The charge isn't exactly for failing to answer, it's for failing to comply with the requirements for carrying a concealed weapon.

You don't have a right to carry a concealed weapon and I don't see anyone arguing that point. You're straying a bit off topic.

imprimere: You don't have a right to carry a concealed weapon and I don't see anyone arguing that point.

Actually, many people (myself included) believe that the right to bear arms is not one that should be subject to any regulation whatsoever, which means that many people DO believe and argue that one has the right to carry a concealed weapon if one so desires. And, in fact, I argued the point that she should be allowed to do so in my initial missive in this thread.

Faces of meth candidate.
Definitely an addict, alcoholic at the very least.
Crazy eyes.
Angry person, very angry.

/Learned my lesson about these types
//Never again

imprimere: You don't have a right to carry a concealed weapon and I don't see anyone arguing that point. You're straying a bit off topic.

In AZ you do have a right to carry a concealed weapon, as long as you're not a prohibited possessor.

untaken_name: imprimere: You don't have a right to carry a concealed weapon and I don't see anyone arguing that point.

Actually, many people (myself included) believe that the right to bear arms is not one that should be subject to any regulation whatsoever, which means that many people DO believe and argue that one has the right to carry a concealed weapon if one so desires. And, in fact, I argued the point that she should be allowed to do so in my initial missive in this thread.

Count me as one who agrees with you, but for the sake of "letter-law" argument and all...

BUSTED.

T.M.S.: In fact, I can't think of a place that carrying a large piece of metal would appear seamless.

It really depends on what you're wearing. My standard outfit is jeans, tshirt (tucked in), and either a button up shirt or a hoodie. A pistol (especially my single stack 1911) will easily go inside my waistband, and my shirts/hoodies are big enough to go over the gun. You'd never notice unless you were looking, and maybe not even then. Check the pics on this page (^). That guy is hiding a gun under a not very loose tucked in shirt. You can only kind of see the gun if you know it's there, if you didn't know you wouldn't notice. In this (^) old video, a high school kid pulls a couple dozen guns (including a full length shotgun) out of his pants. Granted, walking around with all of them would likely get him busted, but not with just one or two.

T.M.S.: I'm not really a gun guy but I do ask: Is it a bra a common place to carry? It certainly looks cool in the movies but I would have to think even a small gun would bee too bulky for that sort of thing.

In fact, I can't think of a place that carrying a large piece of metal would appear seamless.

I did once have the chance to wear both of these in twin shoulder holsters. Let's just say it was difficult to "blend" on the street.



I work as a retail store manager, and I've seen women pull wads of money, wallets, and even their cell phones out of their bras while standing at the counter, so I would imagine it could be possible.

I have a CCL myself, and carry a S&W Sigma .40 in an inside-the-waist holster in the small of my back. That gun is a small cannon, and you'd never know it was there unless I showed it to you.

calbert: "christ that's a hard 20"

Looks like a meth-20.

tbartman68: T.M.S.: I'm not really a gun guy but I do ask: Is it a bra a common place to carry? It certainly looks cool in the movies but I would have to think even a small gun would bee too bulky for that sort of thing.

In fact, I can't think of a place that carrying a large piece of metal would appear seamless.

I did once have the chance to wear both of these in twin shoulder holsters. Let's just say it was difficult to "blend" on the street.



I work as a retail store manager, and I've seen women pull wads of money, wallets, and even their cell phones out of their bras while standing at the counter, so I would imagine it could be possible.

I have a CCL myself, and carry a S&W Sigma .40 in an inside-the-waist holster in the small of my back. That gun is a small cannon, and you'd never know it was there unless I showed it to you.

I want to know where you work, not to judge you, but to judge your customer base. In my world, the only acceptable place for a woman to pull anything other than her tit out of a bra, is a brothel.

I too have a .40 cal. - Beretta PX4 Storm. Absolutely love it! I've waited on getting my CCP because I didn't feel that I was emotionally mature enough to carry it in my everyday life. Now, I'm just too lazy, but I need to get that done. I never really thought about where I'd carry it though. I have a shoulder holster, but it's fairly uncomfortable. Is yours leather or other?

Meth's a helluva drug....

untaken_name:

So....why'd she tell them she had a gun? Never talk to police.

Is there a legal-type out there who can say whether the cops had a legal cause to search HER? It wasn't her they were looking for.

I'd just clam up, myself. But then I don't wear a bra.

imprimere:

Grobbley: state law is trumped by federal law

Good point. I'm sure it's much more reasonable to expect people to be aware of their amendment rights rather than every law of every state as well.

These days, why would anybody assume we have any rights at all?

I'm a green-eyed raised-Methodist white guy, but I could have converted to Islam. Therefore I'm a terrorist suspect, right?

Is it better for me if suspected of Islam to profess some Xian faith or to admit that I can't be a Muslim because I'm an atheist? (I already know it's Bad Form to point out that fundy Xianity and fundy Islam have more in common with each other than either does with atheism because I read Fark.)