Coming soon to this thread: People criticizing Kim Novak about casual use of "rape" in a forum that makes constant casual use of "rape".

For what it's worth, I was once raped when I paid almost forty bucks for my wife and I to watch an IMAX James Cameron deep sea documentary that ended up being an extended commerical for Red Lobster.

Cagey B: For what it's worth, I was once raped when I paid almost forty bucks for my wife and I to watch an IMAX James Cameron deep sea documentary that ended up being an extended commerical for Red Lobster.

So feminists "took back" the word biatch. But they also seem to have stolen the word "rape."

I was raped by the system.
I was really raped on that test.
They took my book and raped it turning it into a screenplay.
She took my kids and accused me of molesting them. No one would listen, I lost all my friends, I feel like I was raped.
They took my screenplay and raped it and then made it a musical!
I had to sell my house and quickly, boy do I feel raped.

If you say these things, you are probably pro-rape, a rape apologizer, and quite likely a rapist yourself.

Raped or raped-raped?

FishyFred: //and do not give comfort to the enemy

I guess I don't understand. Who is the enemy? I really don't have any enemies and I try not to view categorize individuals or groups of people as enemies.

Can you clarify this? Who are the enemies you see?

I liked The Artist.

FishyFred: I'm at the point where I look at people weird when they use the word like you do in your examples.

That's interesting. I'm a bit older than you, judging from your profile picture, and I feel that way about the word biatch. I was raised never to use it, and would never express it in public (in anything other than a Breaking Bad reference.) I kind of look funny at anyone that does use it in a casual manner. But you seem to feel differently and use it casually in addressing me without thinking of how it expresses your misogyny since you use it as a put down.

I don't think using a word like rape to express forced and unfair injustice (enforced at the point of a gun) from the legal system for example weakens the word rape, or somehow makes it okay to rape others.

I don't think saying, "I killed on that test", or "I was slaughtered", condones murder or war.

I think our darling Kim has perhaps gone a bit too far. Don't you?

I thought old people were all like happy and wise and shiat.

So she was a song. After all these years she's come out of the sound studio

Dammit, now I have to watch Vertigo again.

FishyFred: I would have likened my use of the word there to the gay community's reclaiming of the word "fag." I never use it as a putdown, but more as an in-joke. I didn't mean for it to have a mean-spirited tone.

The gays prefer you use "queer".

RoyBatty: Cagey B: For what it's worth, I was once raped when I paid almost forty bucks for my wife and I to watch an IMAX James Cameron deep sea documentary that ended up being an extended commerical for Red Lobster.

So feminists "took back" the word biatch. But they also seem to have stolen the word "rape."

I was raped by the system.
I was really raped on that test.
They took my book and raped it turning it into a screenplay.
She took my kids and accused me of molesting them. No one would listen, I lost all my friends, I feel like I was raped.
They took my screenplay and raped it and then made it a musical!
I had to sell my house and quickly, boy do I feel raped.

If you say these things, you are probably pro-rape, a rape apologizer, and quite likely a rapist yourself.

I would add "George Lucas raped my childhood" to the list.

I think somebody is getting a tad grumpy in her old age ;)

Her logic tied me up and raped me.



/Da do do do

FishyFred: I would have likened my use of the word there to the gay community's reclaiming of the word "fag." I never use it as a putdown, but more as an in-joke. I didn't mean for it to have a mean-spirited tone.

I absolutely believe you, but that's my point.

You have a word, biatch, that you use in jest, to make a point, but that word's history, and your use of it is absolutely a misogynistic putdown .In using that word, you feel you are not condoning or encouraging misogyny.

But you also have another word, rape, that if other people use to express how they feel totally violated and usually coerced, where they had no choice, by more powerful individuals, you think that their use of that word is out of bounds, and somehow weakens the vile act of rape, or even encourages and gives aid and comfort to rapists.

I'm not a linguist or etymologist -- I am generally curious as to when rape became relatively widely used to mean an act of violation but not an act of sexual violation.

23FPB23: FishyFred: I would have likened my use of the word there to the gay community's reclaiming of the word "fag." I never use it as a putdown, but more as an in-joke. I didn't mean for it to have a mean-spirited tone.

The gays prefer you use "queer".

Queer sounds like a put down.
I thought you were supposed to call male gays "d*ck smokers"

foo monkey: I liked The Artist.

I think it's the film of the year, so this means that the overrated "Tree of Life" will win despite that movie not having a solid story structure.

And of all the things Novak could have chosen to put her name back in the news, she chose this? I thought she was dead in the first place.

So, was this a hate-filled anger type rape, or more of a happy fun "how you doin'?" kind of rape?

AdolfOliverPanties: R.I.P. Novak

That Novak can burn in hell.

Mugato: Well whatever you shiat stabbers want to call yourselves, we can at least have a little more Kim Novak in this thread

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Hey if we had life extension she'd still look like that today, but nooOOOoooo.... You want moon rocks.

Mugato: Quantum Apostrophe: Hey if we had life extension she'd still look like that today, but nooOOOoooo.... You want moon rocks.

Vertigotohell. I was just trying to get away from the butt nut talk. :p

lol

Cagey B: Coming soon to this thread: People criticizing Kim Novak about casual use of "rape" in a forum that makes constant casual use of "rape".

For what it's worth, I was once raped when I paid almost forty bucks for my wife and I to watch an IMAX James Cameron deep sea documentary that ended up being an extended commerical for Red Lobster.

You said rape thrice

My aunt in law sits with a bunch of other ladies in their 70's and 80's and eats breakfast after church every week.
I sat in with them one time, and the subject of sex came up. Goodness gracious, I never knew old women could get so raunchy. And all of the sudden, too. One minute they were having several conversations about their aches and pains, the next minute they were all excited and laughing and making sexual comments.

So it doesn't suprise me a bit that the 78 year old Novak brought up rape.
She's probably been waiting for years to somehow work it into the conversation.

Novak wants some attention. The movie took the incidental music from Vertigo and she's upset about it because The Artist twists around Vertigo and reverses the gender roles to great effect. If anything, she should be flattered that her movie was paradied in such a way because it works brilliantly.

skinink: foo monkey: I liked The Artist.

I think it's the film of the year, so this means that the overrated "Tree of Life" will win despite that movie not having a solid story structure.

Not terribly likely. It's been shut out of all the major guild nominations, and those generally line up with the Oscar noms (like, 4 out of 5 if not 5 out of 5), and it's even more rare when the DGA winner especially doesn't go on to win Best Director or Best Picture or in many cases both. I think it's a film that critics loved but everyone else kind of gave it a big "meh".

If you liked vertigo watch the machinist

varmitydog: My aunt in law sits with a bunch of other ladies in their 70's and 80's and eats breakfast after church every week.
I sat in with them one time, and the subject of sex came up. Goodness gracious, I never knew old women could get so raunchy. And all of the sudden, too. One minute they were having several conversations about their aches and pains, the next minute they were all excited and laughing and making sexual comments.

So it doesn't suprise me a bit that the 78 year old Novak brought up rape.
She's probably been waiting for years to somehow work it into the conversation.

I was always curious about what age I was supposed to throw my personality into the wood chipper.

That reminds me, I saw "Badlands" the other day, and Tony Scott can kiss my ass for just about everything in "True Romance"--but the score, dude? The same freaking score? It is kind of a low blow, somehow cheapens the original film, and indicates--a bit--laziness.

While her phrasing may be poorly-chosen, she's right about that particular piece of music. The recent stage version of The 39 Steps used it at one point and I found myself completely pulled out of the play and picturing myself lost in the redwoods until the music stopped.

*taps finger*arches eyebrow*

Ms. Novak? A word about your choice of words....

Buckaroo Beeblebrox: While her phrasing may be poorly-chosen, she's right about that particular piece of music. The recent stage version of The 39 Steps used it at one point and I found myself completely pulled out of the play and picturing myself lost in the redwoods until the music stopped.

I haven't seen The Artist but I know if the climactic sequence of a new action movie used John Williams' entire 9-minute Battle of Yavin cue for its underscore, that wouldn't be a homage, it would be like Star Wars was playing in a split screen with the other movie.

1) Kim Novak is an idiot.
2) The director of The Artist was extremely lame for using Vertigo's music for its climax.

/And the lead female character was underdeveloped

Vertigo is one of my favorite movies of all time. IMO, it'shiatchcock's best work.

Guntram Shatterhand: Novak wants some attention. The movie took the incidental music from Vertigo and she's upset about it because The Artist twists around Vertigo and reverses the gender roles to great effect. If anything, she should be flattered that her movie was paradied [sic] in such a way because it works brilliantly.

It's more than incidental music, it's an entire suite that forms the emotional climax of the film. And it distracts from The Artist because anyone who's seen Vertigo will be thinking of that movie instead of what's going on in front of them.

/Also, you might want to check out what "parody" means.

Buckaroo Beeblebrox: While her phrasing may be poorly-chosen, she's right about that particular piece of music. The recent stage version of The 39 Steps used it at one point and I found myself completely pulled out of the play and picturing myself lost in the redwoods until the music stopped.

I think she knew what she was doing with her choice of words.

"Hmmmmm...I'm Kim Novak and I've been out of the spotlight for decades, despite being in one of the most acclaimed moves ever made. How do I get myself back in the papers again? Oh, look. Here's a movie that's been getting a lot of buzz that uses the score from Vertigo during a climactic scene. I could call it a lovely homage, but nobody cares when people in the movie industry have nice things to say about each other. I could say that I'm disappointed, but that just doesn't seem strong enough. Let me think. What's a loaded buzzword that will guarantee that my comments will make ink?"

FishyFred: Orgasmatron138: IMO, it'shiatchcock's best work.

SNARFLE

Weird, but really how often do I type that?