Thanks, Superintendent Gingrich.

One can only imagine the love and respect these janitor/students will be shown by their classmates.

Yeah, they'll have lots of great experience to list on their resumes for those jobs that don't exist for them. So they have that going for them. Which is nice.

That's going to be real useful work experience since you're eliminating janitors and so giving these kids work experience that's worthless.

"Hey Billy, I left a present in the bathroom for you. Have fun cleaning up."

Are these kids going to be using caustic chemicals? What about heavy equipment?

oh yes, those kids are definitely going to pull themselves out of poverty working a few hours a week at $9/hr...

I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

leftteffticle: oh yes, those kids are definitely going to pull themselves out of poverty working a few hours a week at $9/hr...

Sadly that's more than most people make working retail.

cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

Arizona already cut their education budgets. So they're doing this in addition.

Codenamechaz: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

Arizona already cut their education budgets. So they're doing this in addition.

Still, you would rather them see the education budget cut more to save a few jobs?

cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

There are always more than two options.

James!: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

There are always more than two options.

Ok, so give me another option

These students will be gaining valuable experience in the field of custodial engineering. By the time they've entered the workforce, they'll have gained many years worth of the skills which will enable them to find employment in the very field which they've trained. Since they'll be set up for a future, they won't have to do any of that pesky studying which would lead to other opportunities.

I've examined that scenario and can't find any logical flaws in it.

cman: James!: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

There are always more than two options.

Ok, so give me another option

What's the point? You're not actually interested. You want education cut futher.

cman: James!: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

There are always more than two options.

Ok, so give me another option

Leave the school budgets alone and cut somewhere else.

GAT_00: That's going to be real useful work experience since you're eliminating janitors and so giving these kids work experience that's worthless.

That's what I was thinking. What work experience are they getting, when their jobs will just go to more kids, since they are eliminating the full-time, adult positions by and large?

How is the country coming to this where people cannot earn a decent wage, get health insurance, retirement benefits and there is a push for child labor to make a comeback? It's horrible.

I had a job cleaning at my high school during the summer. It was a state funded program that included job training counseling (how to interview for a job), tutoring for kids that needed it, and a lunch program. I qualified because my mom was a single mom with two kids. It was a good program and helped me get into college at MSU on a scholarship. Of course since it helped kids in need it was shiat canned when Republican Governor Engler took over as a welfare scam.

This is nothing like that, this is a big f/u to school employee unions and to poor kids at the same time. A double whammy on two of Conservatives favorite strawmen

cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

Get rid of the athletics department. Get rid of administrators. Heck, I can even understand outsourcing- but for the fact that outsourcing eventually cost taxpayers more.

But to have kids work from 3 to 9? Seriously? When are the supposed to study?

Republican job creation: turn one full-time job into 4 part-time jobs

/Presto!

What is so horrible about a part-time job after school for a high school student? A lot of kids work so they can have some spending money. I did it and I bet many of you did too. If $9 is a competitive wage with what is paid at the mall, supermarket etc, then, aside from the layoff of custodians, there shouldn't be an issue. The only thing that would be really bad (aside from possible harassment by fellow students) would be if they had to work every night which could interfere with school work.

GAT_00: cman: James!: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

There are always more than two options.

Ok, so give me another option

What's the point? You're not actually interested. You want education cut futher.

I didnt say that.

A Fark Handle: James!: cman: James!: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

There are always more than two options.

Ok, so give me another option

Leave the school budgets alone and cut somewhere else.

raise taxes.

In this political environnent it is pretty damn hard to raise taxes, even if it is for the children.

As for leaving the school budgets alone, that means that you will have to take it out of social services, trash disposal, police, fire department, environnemental offices, prevention of domestic and sexual assault groups, etc etc

cman: I didnt say that.

Your posting history said it.

cman: In this political environnent it is pretty damn hard to raise taxes, even if it is for the children.

Good message for these kids: if it's hard, don't do it.

I taught in the AZ public school system for 10 years and saw job cuts every single year. Never was there an administrative position cut. Not one single goddamn admin.

kronicfeld: cman: In this political environnent it is pretty damn hard to raise taxes, even if it is for the children.

Good message for these kids: if it's hard, don't do it.

Now grab a mop, sport. Jan Brewer needs to save some money.

Darth_Lukecash: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

Get rid of the athletics department. Get rid of administrators. Heck, I can even understand outsourcing- but for the fact that outsourcing eventually cost taxpayers more.

But to have kids work from 3 to 9? Seriously? When are the supposed to study?

Our nation is getting fatter and fatter. Everyone is biatching about it. People want schools to serve healthier foods (which isnt cheap), and now you want to get rid of one of the biggest things that keeps children active and exercising?

GAT_00: cman: I didnt say that.

Your posting history said it.

I do not recall ever saying such a thing.

Neither does google Link (new window)

cman: GAT_00: cman: I didnt say that.

Your posting history said it.

I do not recall ever saying such a thing.

Neither does google Link (new window)

Furthermore, its besides any point of this article. Its more of a deflection to attack me than discuss what I have said.

As I said, would you rather see them cut the education budget more to see them save a few jobs?

serpent_sky: How is the country coming to this where people cannot earn a decent wage, get health insurance, retirement benefits and there is a push for child labor to make a comeback? It's horrible.

No joke. It's a race to the bottom.

cman: Darth_Lukecash: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

Get rid of the athletics department. Get rid of administrators. Heck, I can even understand outsourcing- but for the fact that outsourcing eventually cost taxpayers more.

But to have kids work from 3 to 9? Seriously? When are the supposed to study?

Our nation is getting fatter and fatter. Everyone is biatching about it. People want schools to serve healthier foods (which isnt cheap), and now you want to get rid of one of the biggest things that keeps children active and exercising?

Keep gym class. Football, basketball, track and field are not educational. Its just a socially accepted clique. How much do we spend on athletic equipment? Ground maintenance? Insurance? Coaches? Hell, I knew a coach who used his time as a driving instructor to check up on his landscaping buisness staffed by his ex players.

Darth_Lukecash: cman: Darth_Lukecash: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

Get rid of the athletics department. Get rid of administrators. Heck, I can even understand outsourcing- but for the fact that outsourcing eventually cost taxpayers more.

But to have kids work from 3 to 9? Seriously? When are the supposed to study?

Our nation is getting fatter and fatter. Everyone is biatching about it. People want schools to serve healthier foods (which isnt cheap), and now you want to get rid of one of the biggest things that keeps children active and exercising?

Keep gym class. Football, basketball, track and field are not educational. Its just a socially accepted clique. How much do we spend on athletic equipment? Ground maintenance? Insurance? Coaches? Hell, I knew a coach who used his time as a driving instructor to check up on his landscaping buisness staffed by his ex players.

When I went through high school over 10 years ago, only two years of PE were required, and damn is PE weak. Football and basketball are educational as it teaches about teamwork, a necessity in today's corporate world. I wont debate the last points you have made because I have no rebuttal for them.

And last night I heard Jan Brewer was excited about the economy in Arizona for 2012. Her way to help things? Corporate Tax Cuts and Deregulation. Something that would be in place until she's gone in 2014.

Oh and I read an article a few weeks ago that showed the state might be ok, fiscally, until 2014, unless taxes go up or other revenue is found.

Hmmmm.....

/hate the politics of this state

cman: When I went through high school over 10 years ago, only two years of PE were required, and damn is PE weak. Football and basketball are educational as it teaches about teamwork, a necessity in today's corporate world. I wont debate the last points you have made because I have no rebuttal for them.

So, let it be community run- and sponsored, not school sponsored. If there is enough demand, and it is that valuable, parents and people in the community will fund it. And I am not talking about taxes, I'm talking about opening their own wallets to support optional, non-educational sports teams for their kids.

serpent_sky: cman: When I went through high school over 10 years ago, only two years of PE were required, and damn is PE weak. Football and basketball are educational as it teaches about teamwork, a necessity in today's corporate world. I wont debate the last points you have made because I have no rebuttal for them.

So, let it be community run- and sponsored, not school sponsored. If there is enough demand, and it is that valuable, parents and people in the community will fund it. And I am not talking about taxes, I'm talking about opening their own wallets to support optional, non-educational sports teams for their kids.

Fair enough. Its a good suggestion. Dunno how good an execution would be, though.

cman: Fair enough. Its a good suggestion. Dunno how good an execution would be, though.

Odds are it would vary by town and parental interest.

Staff presented the proposal to the school board on Wednesday at its annual retreat as an alternative to outsourcing. School administrators were concerned going with a private company would be an invitation for carelessness and vandalism.

First, I can't help but wonder where this "retreat" was held, and how much it cost the county.

Second, wouldn't letting students in the school after hours be MORE of an invitation for "carelessness and vandalism"? A private company isn't going to allow its employees to do that, plus they'd most likely have to be bonded and insured.

Just a union-busting tactic.

serpent_sky: I'm talking about opening their own wallets to support optional, non-educational sports teams for their kids.

The powerhouse football schools will probably protest that, because they make money that way, and they want the high school talent grounds.

How about for the first time since we let Reagan dominate discourse in this country that instead of haggling over what to cut, we argue over where to spend. How about we properly fund education and draw teachers back by properly paying them? The real reason for the increasing ineffectiveness of education funding is because teacher pay is still cut. With more desirable jobs, the best and brightest don't teach anymore. That's why the system used to be so good and why more spending doesn't help as much anymore.

What's asinine about it. I did custodial and landscape work during study halls throughout high school and learned some skills that I would not have learned until several years later in life.

KiplingKat872: cman: James!: cman: I hate to be the party pooper, but would you rather them cut education instead of custodians?


/DNRFA

There are always more than two options.

Ok, so give me another option

Cut administration salaries and unnecessary jobs in administration.

They are down to cutting custodians. I think that by now they have cut all they can in jobs in other places.

Also, tell that to the Union and ask them to reduce salaries.