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"America's detention camp at Guantánamo Bay will have been open for 10 years. For seven of them, I was held there without explanation or charge. During that time my daughters grew up without me"
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UseLessHuman
2012-01-10 02:17:33 PM
You can't make an omelet...
Ricardo Klement
2012-01-10 02:18:31 PM
In German there's a phrase: "Mit gegangen, mit gehangen." Don't get rounded up with a bunch of terrorists and you'll be fine.
epoc_tnac
2012-01-10 02:18:32 PM
Maybe he should have thought about that before becoming a terrorist enemy freedom hating frenchman.
Stinkyy
2012-01-10 02:18:34 PM
Sad tag? O.k. But you didn't have to eat your morning cereal reading that one of those dirka-dirks killed one of your kids or the soldier living down the street. Now go back to your regular scheduled Kardashians and Portlandia.
JRoo
2012-01-10 02:19:03 PM
Giving a shiat about guilt or innocence or truth is for pansy-ass liberals.
Wellon Dowd
2012-01-10 02:19:30 PM
Next time, if you don't want to be detained indefinitely on suspicion of being a terrorist, be born in the United States.
The My Little Pony Killer
2012-01-10 02:20:20 PM
Stinkyy
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Sad tag? O.k. But you didn't have to eat your morning cereal reading that one of those dirka-dirks killed one of your kids or the soldier living down the street. Now go back to your regular scheduled Kardashians and Portlandia.
Neither did you. STFU and get back to work.
ArtosRC
2012-01-10 02:20:59 PM
Wellon Dowd
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Next time, if you don't want to be detained indefinitely on suspicion of being a terrorist, be born in the United States.
NDAA 2012 says what?
/Oh, you were being facetious!
Bill_Wick's_Friend
2012-01-10 02:21:05 PM
Just sing "....laaaaaaand of the fuh-reeeeeeeee!" louder and longer. Maybe you can convince yourselves it's true.
The Larch
2012-01-10 02:21:24 PM
I love how they dropped the charges just before he finally got into court, so they wouldn't have present the evidence against him.
And by "love", I mean "I would love to cock-punch the asshole who invented that tactic."
NightOwl2255
2012-01-10 02:21:31 PM
Gitmo, the new internment camps.
Every generation has something to be ashamed of, Gitmo is ours.
IKanHazaBukkit
2012-01-10 02:22:07 PM
War against
Terrorism
...
Dictators
... Humanity.
HotWingConspiracy
2012-01-10 02:22:07 PM
The GOP probably should be outlawed for allowing their leadership to become a torture regime.
BooBoo23
2012-01-10 02:23:32 PM
Ricardo Klement
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In German there's a phrase: "Mit gegangen, mit gehangen." Don't get rounded up with a bunch of terrorists and you'll be fine.
Well said, good citizen! Why even bother with a trial?
MeinRS6
2012-01-10 02:23:33 PM
They should turn GITMO over to FEMA, so there would be at least one FEMA camp.
Flakeloaf
2012-01-10 02:23:54 PM
Ricardo Klement
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In German there's a phrase: "Mit gegangen, mit gehangen." Don't get rounded up with a bunch of terrorists and you'll be fine.
Yup. Doing absolutely nothing wrong but knowing a guy who thought about it totally justifies seven years of unlawful detention in a gulag.
The Names Dalton
2012-01-10 02:23:57 PM
Giving a shiat about guilt or innocence or truth is for pansy-ass liberals.
The same "pansy-ass liberals" who will be voting for the Warden of Guantanamo come election day? The homophobic Warden of Guantanamo Bay?
Pansy-ass liberals care about their team winning. Barak could gas every kid in Cuba and- as long as he keeps the proper letter next to his name- his party, and the "liberals" in it, will support him.
FarkinSneakyBastage
2012-01-10 02:24:01 PM
7 years in Gitmo? That's a lot of cockmeat sandwiches...
MugzyBrown
2012-01-10 02:24:08 PM
JRoo
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Giving a shiat about guilt or innocence or truth is for pansy-ass liberals.
HotWingConspiracy
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The GOP probably should be outlawed for allowing their leadership to become a torture regime.
Yeah, it would be much more just to have just hit his car with a hellfire missile launched from a predator.
NExD
2012-01-10 02:24:14 PM
I can't wait for the time when hippy liberals stop whining about Gitmo. It beats secret CIA prisons, and it beats having these arses on US soil.
downtownkid
2012-01-10 02:24:15 PM
Well maybe you shouldn't have been a terrorist, then.
TofuTheAlmighty
2012-01-10 02:24:58 PM
A corrective before the Obama-über-alles apologists show up:
Obama only wanted to close the literal Guantanamo facility. The plan was to ship Gitmo prisoners to a location within the continental US. Congress blocked funding of this move. Obama has no compunction about locking people away for years without charges or access to the legal system.
manimal2878
2012-01-10 02:25:08 PM
Wellon Dowd
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Next time, if you don't want to be detained indefinitely on suspicion of being a terrorist, be born in the United States.
or
Next time, if you don't want to be detained indefinitely on suspicion of being a terrorist, too bad.
fastfxr
2012-01-10 02:25:50 PM
It's called guilt by association. They must have had something on him...or evidence that he was planning something.
I do note that he doesn't exactly deny terrorist leanings or involvement, he only states he "wasn't planning on blowing up THAT embassy" or something to that effect.
manimal2878
2012-01-10 02:27:06 PM
The Names Dalton
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Giving a shiat about guilt or innocence or truth is for pansy-ass liberals.
The same "pansy-ass liberals" who will be voting for the Warden of Guantanamo come election day? The homophobic Warden of Guantanamo Bay?
Pansy-ass liberals care about their team winning. Barak could gas every kid in Cuba and- as long as he keeps the proper letter next to his name- his party, and the "liberals" in it, will support him.
Ah, the glass muffin argument.
JerseyTim
2012-01-10 02:27:07 PM
Why is this guy struggling to find a job? Shouldn't there be repercussions? Shouldn't he be due some huge lump sum payment? WTF?
Submitted First With a Better Headline
2012-01-10 02:27:14 PM
Wellon Dowd
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Next time, if you don't want to be detained indefinitely on suspicion of being a terrorist, be born in the United States.
Ricardo Klement
2012-01-10 02:27:38 PM
BooBoo23
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Ricardo Klement: In German there's a phrase: "Mit gegangen, mit gehangen." Don't get rounded up with a bunch of terrorists and you'll be fine.
Well said, good citizen! Why even bother with a trial?
There's an administrative process. It may not be a trial, but you don't get on the list for no reason.
LeroyBourne
2012-01-10 02:27:59 PM
If there was a reason to hate something so much he should have it now.
HotWingConspiracy
2012-01-10 02:28:14 PM
MugzyBrown
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JRoo: Giving a shiat about guilt or innocence or truth is for pansy-ass liberals.
HotWingConspiracy: The GOP probably should be outlawed for allowing their leadership to become a torture regime.
Yeah, it would be much more just to have just hit his car with a hellfire missile launched from a predator.
More what? Deadly? Yes I agree. We shouldn't kill or imprison innocent men. At least with a hellfire missile you can say it was an impulse mistake. Seven years of knowing that you're dead wrong and keeping the facade going is on another level.
AdolfOliverPanties
2012-01-10 02:28:21 PM
How the hell did this terrorist get an Op-Ed printed in the...oh, the New York America hatin' Times.
Never mind.
Rock, Flag and Eagle!
Mearen
2012-01-10 02:28:36 PM
NExD
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I can't wait for the time when hippy liberals stop whining about Gitmo. It beats secret CIA prisons, and it beats having these arses on US soil.
You're exactly what's wrong with this country. You've assumed that because they've been arrested and detained in gitmo they must actually be guilty of something.
Ricardo Klement
2012-01-10 02:29:02 PM
Flakeloaf
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Ricardo Klement: In German there's a phrase: "Mit gegangen, mit gehangen." Don't get rounded up with a bunch of terrorists and you'll be fine.
Yup. Doing absolutely nothing wrong but knowing a guy who thought about it totally justifies seven years of unlawful detention in a gulag.
It wasn't cold, and the Gulag was way worse. Just read Solzenitsyn (I know - a NAZI apologist) and tell me Gitmo is even close.
9beers
2012-01-10 02:29:27 PM
It's cool, Obama is closing it once he becomes president.
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier
2012-01-10 02:29:30 PM
You know, when the liberals said this was war crimes material, they were told to sit down and shut up. They did.
Both sides suck, but both sides don't suck equally.
/Vote anti-fascism
MugzyBrown
2012-01-10 02:30:06 PM
HotWingConspiracy
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More what? Deadly? Yes I agree. We shouldn't kill or imprison innocent men. At least with a hellfire missile you can say it was an impulse mistake. Seven years of knowing that you're dead wrong and keeping the facade going is on another level.
More
just
Like our current system. Obama has skirted around the GTMO issue by just having people killed.
Bush did too, but Obama has stepped up the practice.
DGS
2012-01-10 02:30:16 PM
fastfxr
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It's called guilt by association. They must have had something on him...or evidence that he was planning something.
I do note that he doesn't exactly deny terrorist leanings or involvement, he only states he "wasn't planning on blowing up THAT embassy" or something to that effect.
I also note that you've not denied an interest in or a plan to blow up mentioned embassy.
/I must conclude you're a terrorist.
//You also didn't mention God enough in your statement.
manimal2878
2012-01-10 02:30:22 PM
fastfxr
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They must have had something on him
Then prove it, prove it in court like the system of justice we have cherished in our country up until now use to require before throwing somebody in prison.
drb9
2012-01-10 02:30:36 PM
"This essay was translated by Felice Bezri from the Arabic."
In Arabic, the essay reads, "Death to America, Israel, and Chetniks."
Hydra
2012-01-10 02:30:46 PM
Bill_Wick's_Friend
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Just sing "....laaaaaaand of the fuh-reeeeeeeee!" louder and longer. Maybe you can convince yourselves it's true.
FTA:
About 90 prisoners have been cleared for transfer out of Guantánamo. Some of them are from countries like Syria or China -
where they would face torture if sent home
- or Yemen, which the United States considers unstable.
No one said we were perfect; we're just the tallest pygmy.
/won't matter, anyway
//your post just made you an enemy of the state
///and there's nothing you or anyone else here can do about it
owlywowly
2012-01-10 02:30:54 PM
NExD
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I can't wait for the time when hippy liberals stop whining about Gitmo. It beats secret CIA prisons, and it beats having these arses on US soil.
I can't wait until you are staring an angry cop in the face while being held incommunicado and being told that you are not a citizen (since you have threatened some pol or other) and thus don't have any rights.
RedEmily
2012-01-10 02:31:14 PM
Can someone clear something up for me?
Are we bound to give them our rights or the geneva convention or world court? I've never quite understood whether they were criminals, detainees, pows.
LandOfChocolate
2012-01-10 02:31:35 PM
Relatively Obscure
2012-01-10 02:31:45 PM
NExD
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It beats secret CIA prisons, and it beats having these arses on US soil.
Why?
Iggymac
2012-01-10 02:32:13 PM
Wellon Dowd
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Next time, if you don't want to be detained indefinitely on suspicion of being a terrorist, be born in the United States.
And try and be born with a lighter skin hue.
Flakeloaf
2012-01-10 02:32:57 PM
Ricardo Klement
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BooBoo23: Ricardo Klement: In German there's a phrase: "Mit gegangen, mit gehangen." Don't get rounded up with a bunch of terrorists and you'll be fine.
Well said, good citizen! Why even bother with a trial?
There's an administrative process. It may not be a trial, but you don't get on the list for no reason.
An administrative process held in secret, with no rules of evidence, no chance of repudiation and no meaningful way to address what happens when it gets things obviously wrong. At least the German Jews knew who they were.
Iggymac
2012-01-10 02:33:00 PM
NightOwl2255
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Gitmo, the new internment camps.
Every generation has something to be ashamed of, Gitmo is ours.
That and Jersey Shore.
Ricardo Klement
2012-01-10 02:33:39 PM
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier
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You know, when the liberals said this was war crimes material, they were told to sit down and shut up. They did.
Both sides suck, but both sides don't suck equally.
/Vote anti-fascism
Better fascism than communism. A fascist state is less totalitarian and arguably less murderous. Certainly if you fall in line, you're safe. In a communist state, anyone can accuse you of being a Kulak or Class Enemy and off you go. In fascism, once you've established your credentials you're generally quite safe.
Grables'Daughter
2012-01-10 02:34:00 PM
I have a question, and I am being very serious here.
How are we as a country viewed by the rest of the world?
It seems to me that WE are the terrorists.
/please correct me if I am way off here
manimal2878
2012-01-10 02:34:10 PM
RedEmily
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Can someone clear something up for me?
Are we bound to give them our rights or the geneva convention or world court? I've never quite understood whether they were criminals, detainees, pows.
You understand perfectly, your lack of understanding is the exact legal situation these detainees are in, they are neither criminals or POWs. They are terrorists and thus no law seems to apply.
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