*Waves*

HI!! Thanks for coming by. We have some snacks over here- it's potluck of course. So you want to talk about Socialism? Well, we support Obama because while he's not nearly liberal enough, he's better than anyone else on the national circuit.

Some of us have been saying this for years now.

Bears are apparently socialist...

Thank God.

shivashakti: And after he signed NDAA, I'm not sure I'm going to be voting for him again.

After the NDAA, I'm decidedly NOT voting for him again.

GAT_00: shivashakti: And after he signed NDAA, I'm not sure I'm going to be voting for him again.

After the NDAA, I'm decidedly NOT voting for him again.

What if the race is really close? Would you want the current GOP mindset in total control?

Obama managed to weaken the NDAA from the full derp that was before.

I seriously doubt that anyone wants to claim him at this point.

shivashakti: And after he signed NDAA, I'm not sure I'm going to be voting for him again. I'm staunchly anti-totalitarian.

You do realize that Obama's signing statement on the NDAA effectively says that he doesn't like the provisions in the law and doesn't plan on enforcing them. But the law had to be signed because of all of the things that were in the bill that were good.

Do not blame Obama for having to sign a bad bill, blame Congressional Democrats for letting a bill with a poison pill get to his desk. Remember the President doesn't write the legislation that he signs, and the party that does write the bills does not have our civil rights in mind,

BillCo: I seriously doubt that anyone wants to claim him at this point.

Then he should be easy to beat in November right?

Jan 5th - Jan 9th Reuters/Ipsos poll, +/- 3%:

Obama - Romney
48% - 43%

Obama - Paul
48% - 41%

Obama - Santorum
51% - 41%

Obama - Gingrich
53% - 38%

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Code_Archeologist: shivashakti: And after he signed NDAA, I'm not sure I'm going to be voting for him again. I'm staunchly anti-totalitarian.

You do realize that Obama's signing statement on the NDAA effectively says that he doesn't like the provisions in the law and doesn't plan on enforcing them. But the law had to be signed because of all of the things that were in the bill that were good.

Do not blame Obama for having to sign a bad bill, blame Congressional Democrats for letting a bill with a poison pill get to his desk. Remember the President doesn't write the legislation that he signs, and the party that does write the bills does not have our civil rights in mind,

No, I'm voting for Obama, but this is a weak excuse. He could have made a stand and demanded the whole thing be cut out. It would have been historical.

It doesn't matter how much good stuff there is-a bad idea is a bad idea!

But as it is, this will be recognized as his Alien & Sedition act.

Darth_Lukecash: What if the race is really close? Would you want the current GOP mindset in total control?

It isn't even a question that Tennessee will vote Republican.

Of course he's not if you ask a real Socialist.

/But just ask any Republican and he's the greatest socialist threat to the US since LeninStalinTrotskyKruschev
//frikkin pantswetters

GAT_00: Darth_Lukecash: What if the race is really close? Would you want the current GOP mindset in total control?

It isn't even a question that Tennessee will vote Republican.

So basically your pissing in the wind when you say stuff like that?

Your vote dosent matter and the protest vote is even less.

Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: Darth_Lukecash: What if the race is really close? Would you want the current GOP mindset in total control?

It isn't even a question that Tennessee will vote Republican.

So basically your pissing in the wind when you say stuff like that?

Your vote dosent matter and the protest vote is even less.

Of course my vote doesn't matter. Neither does yours.

shivashakti: I'm a socialist and I voted for Obama. However, Obama is not a socialist.

This.

Darth_Lukecash: It isn't even a question that Tennessee will vote Republican.

So basically your pissing in the wind when you say stuff like that?

Your vote dosent matter and the protest vote is even less.

Actually because of the way that the electoral college is set up I am in the same boat as GAT_00... I am in Georgia, and thanks to the sister farking red necks outside of Atlanta my vote for anybody but the Republican is never going to count in the Presidential election.

Duh, that dude can't do anything right.

Code_Archeologist: Darth_Lukecash: It isn't even a question that Tennessee will vote Republican.

So basically your pissing in the wind when you say stuff like that?

Your vote dosent matter and the protest vote is even less.

Actually because of the way that the electoral college is set up I am in the same boat as GAT_00... I am in Georgia, and thanks to the sister farking red necks outside of Atlanta my vote for anybody but the Republican is never going to count in the Presidential election.

You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

/farkin love it
//Suck it, CA

Yes. We visited this back in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

Code_Archeologist: Darth_Lukecash: It isn't even a question that Tennessee will vote Republican.

So basically your pissing in the wind when you say stuff like that?

Your vote dosent matter and the protest vote is even less.

Actually because of the way that the electoral college is set up I am in the same boat as GAT_00... I am in Georgia, and thanks to the sister farking red necks outside of Atlanta my vote for anybody but the Republican is never going to count in the Presidential election.

The electoral college has worked for us in the past. And worked against us once.

If the Ogilarchy ever figures out how to bribe the electoral college, then we're seriously farked.

A Fark Handle: no shiat...he's basically a black reagan. well, less effective...

speaker of the house tip o'neill worked with reagan. boehner refuses to work with obama. pretty tough to be effective in a three-branch government when two are united in their opposition to you.

He's just a South Chicago bullshiater, nothing more.

shivashakti: I'm a socialist and I voted for Obama. However, Obama is not a socialist.

If I could vote for a real socialist like Bernie Sanders, I would. Or even a real leftist like Dennis Kucinich. But this country is far too right-wing to allow a real socialist to stand a chance at winning the Presidency.

Obama's WAY too corporate friendly to be a socialist.

And after he signed NDAA, I'm not sure I'm going to be voting for him again. I'm staunchly anti-totalitarian.

Unless you own GM Stock or if they owed you money. I guess taking over a company to protect the unionized workers at the expense of the creditors and taxpayers doesn't qualify anymore.

cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

Majority rule would never allowed Clinton, nor Lincoln to be president. Nor George W.

This is a republic-not a democracy. There is something about the mob mentality the Founding Fathers had a right to be worried about.

Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

Majority rule would never allowed Clinton, nor Lincoln to be president. Nor George W.

This is a republic-not a democracy. There is something about the mob mentality the Founding Fathers had a right to be worried about.

Lincoln and Clinton would both still be President. They won a plurality.

GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

I live in a state of 1.5 million. If it ever came to a popular vote, why would presidental wannabes come to my state? Why would they care about a measly 300,000 votes?

The Electoral college forces these potential presidents because it makes our votes worth more.

cman: GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

I live in a state of 1.5 million. If it ever came to a popular vote, why would presidental wannabes come to my state? Why would they care about a measly 300,000 votes?

The Electoral college forces these potential presidents because it makes our votes worth more.

It makes low population states have a proportionally higher impact on the vote than high pop states. It's just another way to disenfranchise people today. A vote in Wyoming is worth far more than a vote in Texas or California by the electoral college, and that's just stupid.

GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

I live in a state of 1.5 million. If it ever came to a popular vote, why would presidental wannabes come to my state? Why would they care about a measly 300,000 votes?

The Electoral college forces these potential presidents because it makes our votes worth more.

It makes low population states have a proportionally higher impact on the vote than high pop states. It's just another way to disenfranchise people today. A vote in Wyoming is worth far more than a vote in Texas or California by the electoral college, and that's just stupid.

Protecting the minority from the majority is always a noble cause.

GaryPDX: He's just a South Chicago bullshiater, nothing more.

2008. Secret communist terrorist Kenyan Muslin
2009 Fake Christian Socialist of questionable birth
2010 Uppity Progressive Urban Liberal Elitist
2011 Anti-captialist, class warfare baiter
January 2012 South Chicago Bullshiater

I see a positive progression here. By November 2012, I expect the GOP label for Obama will be "Experienced Liberal President"

cman: Protecting the minority from the majority is always a noble cause.

Please explain how Wyoming is threatened by Texas, using argument not from the 18th century.

GAT_00: cman: Protecting the minority from the majority is always a noble cause.

Please explain how Wyoming is threatened by Texas, using argument not from the 18th century.

I am not as learned as this writer, so I shall leave this here for you to read.

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GAT_00: Some of us have been saying this for years now.

Specifically, the socialists. (new window)

cman: GAT_00: cman: Protecting the minority from the majority is always a noble cause.

Please explain how Wyoming is threatened by Texas, using argument not from the 18th century.

I am not as learned as this writer, so I shall leave this here for you to read.

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Subheadline: rural wouldn't matter

So without even having to read, you're saying letting the majority speak is bad because the minority should outweigh the majority when electing people. This makes perfect sense. I wonder if it has anything to do with all those rural-heavy states voting Republican...

As suspected, this thread is a troll magnet

GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: Protecting the minority from the majority is always a noble cause.

Please explain how Wyoming is threatened by Texas, using argument not from the 18th century.

I am not as learned as this writer, so I shall leave this here for you to read.

Link (new window)

Subheadline: rural wouldn't matter

So without even having to read, you're saying letting the majority speak is bad because the minority should outweigh the majority when electing people. This makes perfect sense. I wonder if it has anything to do with all those rural-heavy states voting Republican...

Enjoying those cherries?

Serious Black: cman: GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

I live in a state of 1.5 million. If it ever came to a popular vote, why would presidental wannabes come to my state? Why would they care about a measly 300,000 votes?

The Electoral college forces these potential presidents because it makes our votes worth more.

It makes low population states have a proportionally higher impact on the vote than high pop states. It's just another way to disenfranchise people today. A vote in Wyoming is worth far more than a vote in Texas or California by the electoral college, and that's just stupid.

Protecting the minority from the majority is always a noble cause.

So you think it's okay for us to keep using a system that can let 22% of the population of America determine who our President is?

22%? I aint no good at that math thing, but I gotta say that number sounds a bit off. If you could link me to it I would appreciate it.

cman: GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

I live in a state of 1.5 million. If it ever came to a popular vote, why would presidental wannabes come to my state? Why would they care about a measly 300,000 votes?

The Electoral college forces these potential presidents because it makes our votes worth more.

...and why should your votes be worth more?

Lord Dimwit: cman: GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

I live in a state of 1.5 million. If it ever came to a popular vote, why would presidental wannabes come to my state? Why would they care about a measly 300,000 votes?

The Electoral college forces these potential presidents because it makes our votes worth more.

...and why should your votes be worth more?

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Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: cman: You wouldnt be saying bad things about the electoral college if you lived in a state like mine.

The electoral college is bad for the entire country. This isn't the 19th century anymore. A system where the votes of the majority of the people are worthless because the state is going to vote for one side no matter what is stupid. Election by straight popular vote is the only intelligent option.

Majority rule would never allowed Clinton, nor Lincoln to be president. Nor George W.

This is a republic-not a democracy. There is something about the mob mentality the Founding Fathers had a right to be worried about.

It's a democratic republic to people who have taken a 100 level political science class.