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2012-01-10 12:16:31 PM
Umnmm, maybe being overly simplistic, but wouldn't number 1 be: Willard Mitt Romney?
 
2012-01-10 12:17:33 PM
Lemma guess: Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, Michelle Bachman and Jon Huntsman?
 
2012-01-10 12:17:39 PM
"Themselves" conspicuously absent...
 
2012-01-10 12:19:02 PM
4. Barack Obama

Jon Huntsman is making his last stand in New Hampshire, and there is some upward movement for him in the polls. But if he doesn't defeat Romney there (or at least come in a close second), we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.


So Obama is at fault for the Republican Party's lack of patriotism?
 
2012-01-10 12:19:02 PM
hungryhungryhorus: "Themselves" conspicuously absent...

The party of personal responsibility is never at fault.
 
2012-01-10 12:19:40 PM
Gah... reading fail! I read as if Mitt Romney DOESN'T win. I think the two posts following mine sum up the real answers.
 
2012-01-10 12:19:53 PM
hungryhungryhorus: "Themselves" conspicuously absent...

It's actually there in the last sentence.

we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

Who knew that GOP primary voters could hold such contempt for a blah person?
 
2012-01-10 12:21:28 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: 4. Barack Obama

Jon Huntsman is making his last stand in New Hampshire, and there is some upward movement for him in the polls. But if he doesn't defeat Romney there (or at least come in a close second), we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

So Obama is at fault for the Republican Party's lack of patriotism?


Indeed. Obama should have known that people would want a not-Romney in the 2012 GOP primary, so he shouldn't have made Huntsman the ambassador to China.

What, you mean he did know, and still made Huntsman ambassador to China? How about that.
 
2012-01-10 12:21:37 PM
Sock Ruh Tease: hungryhungryhorus: "Themselves" conspicuously absent...

It's actually there in the last sentence.

we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

Who knew that GOP primary voters could hold such contempt for a blah person?


...doesn't the appointment actually mean that he has experience in foreign affairs to the extent that the sitting President thought that he was up to the job?

I'm confused.
 
2012-01-10 12:23:03 PM
hungryhungryhorus: "Themselves" conspicuously absent...

Done in three.
 
2012-01-10 12:23:39 PM
does anyone have that demotivator with the six canidates (minus Huntsman) saying something along the lines of "idiocy: the idea that any of these could be president" ?
 
2012-01-10 12:25:11 PM
qorkfiend: Indeed. Obama should have known that people would want a not-Romney in the 2012 GOP primary, so he shouldn't have made Huntsman the ambassador to China.

What, you mean he did know, and still made Huntsman ambassador to China? How about that.


That tinfoil may be a bit tight.
 
2012-01-10 12:26:09 PM
I just want to point out that only in the Republican party is nominating their most electable candidate a "bad thing."
 
2012-01-10 12:27:32 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: qorkfiend: Indeed. Obama should have known that people would want a not-Romney in the 2012 GOP primary, so he shouldn't have made Huntsman the ambassador to China.

What, you mean he did know, and still made Huntsman ambassador to China? How about that.

That tinfoil may be a bit tight.


You don't think "Also, this guy could be a formidable re-election challenge" was part of the calculus?
 
2012-01-10 12:27:57 PM
I'll be honest, I was really expecting something more like:

1 - Rick Perry
2 - Newt Gingrich
3 - Herman Cain
4 - John Hunstman
5 - Ron Paul

I mean, he's pretty much going to win because the rest are either terrible at campaigning or terrible in general (or, in Gingrich's case, both).
 
2012-01-10 12:30:45 PM
qorkfiend: Philip Francis Queeg: qorkfiend: Indeed. Obama should have known that people would want a not-Romney in the 2012 GOP primary, so he shouldn't have made Huntsman the ambassador to China.

What, you mean he did know, and still made Huntsman ambassador to China? How about that.

That tinfoil may be a bit tight.

You don't think "Also, this guy could be a formidable re-election challenge" was part of the calculus?


I don't think that anyone would have predicted that the Republican Party would become so filled with unreasoning hate that serving your country as an Ambassador would kill any chase of getting the nomination.
 
2012-01-10 12:32:31 PM
Zerochance: I just want to point out that only in the Republican party is nominating their most electable candidate a "bad thing."

That would be a good point if it were not completely wrong.

/you will still get a participation trophy.
 
2012-01-10 12:32:40 PM
6. Soros
7. The Liberals
8. That teenager kid down the street
9. Foreigners
10. Minorities
11. The doctor for saying they had to lower their sodium
12. The coffee table for stubbing their toes
13. Stalin (He's still out there, damnit!)
14. That disrespectful young lady at the bank who said they needed TWO valid forms of ID?!
15. The Queen
16. The Vatican
17. The Gettys
18. The Rothschilds
19. Colonel Saunders (He's still out there, damnit!)
20. etc...
 
2012-01-10 12:33:40 PM
Five people conservatives should blame if Mitt Romney wins

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2012-01-10 12:37:04 PM
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FTFY
 
2012-01-10 12:38:39 PM
Wow, eleven months in advance and the GOP's already pre-cooking the excuses for the 2012 loss. That's...about the closest I've seen conservatives come to self-awareness in years.
 
2012-01-10 12:41:20 PM
soy_bomb: FTFY

Y'know what's funny about your (supposed) Judeophilia?

No matter how shrill the anti-semitic loon with the sign is, there's a 75-80% likelihood that the guy in the kippah isn't going to vote for any of your beloved Republican candidates because THEIR shrill bigotry is much more powerful and more threatening to minority communities than anything coming from one whackadoodle on the street.
 
2012-01-10 12:44:47 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: qorkfiend: Philip Francis Queeg: qorkfiend: Indeed. Obama should have known that people would want a not-Romney in the 2012 GOP primary, so he shouldn't have made Huntsman the ambassador to China.

What, you mean he did know, and still made Huntsman ambassador to China? How about that.

That tinfoil may be a bit tight.

You don't think "Also, this guy could be a formidable re-election challenge" was part of the calculus?

I don't think that anyone would have predicted that the Republican Party would become so filled with unreasoning hate that serving your country as an Ambassador would kill any chase of getting the nomination.


I think by August of 2009 you could tell that association with Obama was a major problem to the GOP base.
 
2012-01-10 12:46:37 PM
qorkfiend: I think by August of 2009 you could tell that association with Obama was a major problem to the GOP base.

To be fair, you could have figured that out by August of 2008.
 
2012-01-10 12:47:25 PM
qorkfiend: Philip Francis Queeg: qorkfiend: Philip Francis Queeg: qorkfiend: Indeed. Obama should have known that people would want a not-Romney in the 2012 GOP primary, so he shouldn't have made Huntsman the ambassador to China.

What, you mean he did know, and still made Huntsman ambassador to China? How about that.

That tinfoil may be a bit tight.

You don't think "Also, this guy could be a formidable re-election challenge" was part of the calculus?

I don't think that anyone would have predicted that the Republican Party would become so filled with unreasoning hate that serving your country as an Ambassador would kill any chase of getting the nomination.

I think by August of 2009 you could tell that association with Obama was a major problem to the GOP base.


Obama, history's greatest monster.
 
2012-01-10 12:47:29 PM
I didn't realize Mitch Daniels is incapable of independent thought and has to get his wife's permission before doing anything. You wanna blame somebody for Mitch Daniels not running, blame Mitch Daniels. After all, there's a good chance voters might nothing think that nothing screams "fiscal responsibility" like being the Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget under George W. Bush. (Remember him? The president who told the nation, "We've been attacked!! Go buy some shiat!") But yeah, it's that evil biatch of a wife's fault that he's not running!

Party of accountability, indeed!
 
2012-01-10 12:50:56 PM
Why blame anyone? Romney is by far their most competent candidate.
 
2012-01-10 12:53:19 PM
that bosnian sniper: Wow, eleven months in advance and the GOP's already pre-cooking the excuses for the 2012 loss. That's...about the closest I've seen conservatives come to self-awareness in years.

The New Yorker
is now a Republican publication?

/it does have cartoons...
 
2012-01-10 12:53:29 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: 4. Barack Obama

Jon Huntsman is making his last stand in New Hampshire, and there is some upward movement for him in the polls. But if he doesn't defeat Romney there (or at least come in a close second), we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

So Obama is at fault for the Republican Party's lack of patriotism?


Most of the Republicans looking for a Not-Romney wouldn't have voted for Huntsman anyway, regardless of whether he was worked for Obama.
 
2012-01-10 12:57:09 PM
Bill_Wick's_Friend: soy_bomb: FTFY

Y'know what's funny about your (supposed) Judeophilia?

No matter how shrill the anti-semitic loon with the sign is, there's a 75-80% likelihood that the guy in the kippah isn't going to vote for any of your beloved Republican candidates because THEIR shrill bigotry is much more powerful and more threatening to minority communities than anything coming from one whackadoodle on the street.


Oh, come on, leave soy_bomb alone. He's been really, really humping this "Occupy is anti-Semitic!" thing hard and it's not catching on, there's no point in rubbing his nose in it.
 
2012-01-10 01:01:03 PM
Their lucky stars?
 
2012-01-10 01:14:20 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: 4. Barack Obama

Jon Huntsman is making his last stand in New Hampshire, and there is some upward movement for him in the polls. But if he doesn't defeat Romney there (or at least come in a close second), we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

So Obama is at fault for the Republican Party's lack of patriotism?


I wonder if they also hold the same hatred for the military as well. I mean, those pinkos are part of Obama's army, right. The people who are going to help him take over, right.
 
2012-01-10 01:20:51 PM
qorkfiend: Philip Francis Queeg: qorkfiend: Philip Francis Queeg: qorkfiend: Indeed. Obama should have known that people would want a not-Romney in the 2012 GOP primary, so he shouldn't have made Huntsman the ambassador to China.

What, you mean he did know, and still made Huntsman ambassador to China? How about that.

That tinfoil may be a bit tight.

You don't think "Also, this guy could be a formidable re-election challenge" was part of the calculus?

I don't think that anyone would have predicted that the Republican Party would become so filled with unreasoning hate that serving your country as an Ambassador would kill any chase of getting the nomination.

I think by August of 2009 you could tell that association with Obama was a major problem to the GOP base.


The problem there lies with the fact that the GOP is a bunch of spiteful morons, not anything Obama did.
 
2012-01-10 01:49:00 PM
Has anyone considered even Republican voters don't want a far right zealot?
 
2012-01-10 02:05:02 PM
downpaymentblues: Has anyone considered even Republican voters don't want a far right zealot?

Someone should tell them that.
 
2012-01-10 02:18:34 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: 4. Barack Obama

Jon Huntsman is making his last stand in New Hampshire, and there is some upward movement for him in the polls. But if he doesn't defeat Romney there (or at least come in a close second), we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

So Obama is at fault for the Republican Party's lack of patriotism?


I watched that Sunday morning debate and gritted my teeth when the issue came up and Huntsman went on about others being "divisive." News flash: most Republicans don't give a rat's ass about being divisive (cue the Goldwater quote on extremism being a virtue), except when others do it. Here's how he had to answer the question: "The opportunity to serve my country arose, and I took it. Does anybody here think that we should refuse to serve our country, that we shouldn't answer the call to make things better for our country, as long as a Democrat is president? Raise your hand if you think that. (Pause.) No one? Okay. I do not want to hear any more criticism of my decision to serve as ambassador to China." Instead, all he said is "hey, that's divisive," and it scored him no points with anyone.
 
2012-01-10 02:33:15 PM
Super Chronic: Philip Francis Queeg: 4. Barack Obama

Jon Huntsman is making his last stand in New Hampshire, and there is some upward movement for him in the polls. But if he doesn't defeat Romney there (or at least come in a close second), we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

So Obama is at fault for the Republican Party's lack of patriotism?

I watched that Sunday morning debate and gritted my teeth when the issue came up and Huntsman went on about others being "divisive." News flash: most Republicans don't give a rat's ass about being divisive (cue the Goldwater quote on extremism being a virtue), except when others do it. Here's how he had to answer the question: "The opportunity to serve my country arose, and I took it. Does anybody here think that we should refuse to serve our country, that we shouldn't answer the call to make things better for our country, as long as a Democrat is president? Raise your hand if you think that. (Pause.) No one? Okay. I do not want to hear any more criticism of my decision to serve as ambassador to China." Instead, all he said is "hey, that's divisive," and it scored him no points with anyone.


But you still felt that way anyway.
 
2012-01-10 02:40:13 PM
downpaymentblues: Has anyone considered even Republican voters don't want a far right zealot?

Were you aware that last Tuesday did in fact happen?
 
2012-01-10 03:14:25 PM
coeyagi: downpaymentblues: Has anyone considered even Republican voters don't want a far right zealot?

Were you aware that last Tuesday did in fact happen?


Iowa is not representative of the nation as a whole. But, how did Bachmann do? Perry?
 
2012-01-10 03:19:28 PM
imashark: Sock Ruh Tease: hungryhungryhorus: "Themselves" conspicuously absent...

It's actually there in the last sentence.

we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

Who knew that GOP primary voters could hold such contempt for a blah person?

...doesn't the appointment actually mean that he has experience in foreign affairs to the extent that the sitting President thought that he was up to the job?

I'm confused.


Remember in Republicanland: Everything Obama does is wrongTM. So if Obama thinks that Huntsman would be good at foreign relations and a good representative of the USA, then in republican reality, Huntsman is bad a foreign relations and would be a poor representative of the USA.
 
2012-01-10 03:24:50 PM
downpaymentblues: coeyagi: downpaymentblues: Has anyone considered even Republican voters don't want a far right zealot?

Were you aware that last Tuesday did in fact happen?

Iowa is not representative of the nation as a whole. But, how did Bachmann do? Perry?


Yeah, it's only representative of South Carolina, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi, parts of Missouri, Georgia, parts of Louisiana, most of Texas, Oklahoma, most of Tennessee and Kentucky, most of the Dakotas.

//not whole, but not in a small minority, sir
 
2012-01-10 03:37:59 PM
Hyjamon:
Remember in Republicanland: Everything Obama does is wrongTM. So if Obama thinks that Huntsman would be good at foreign relations and a good representative of the USA, then in republican reality, Huntsman is bad a foreign relations and would be a poor representative of the USA.


It's quite beautiful. No matter how well a Republican does a job, if it in any way involved working in cahoots with a Democrat, they are tainted. And the conservatives don't realize how weird this looks to 60-65% of the voting public.
 
2012-01-10 03:43:32 PM
EyeballKid: I didn't realize Mitch Daniels is incapable of independent thought and has to get his wife's permission before doing anything. You wanna blame somebody for Mitch Daniels not running, blame Mitch Daniels. After all, there's a good chance voters might nothing think that nothing screams "fiscal responsibility" like being the Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget under George W. Bush. (Remember him? The president who told the nation, "We've been attacked!! Go buy some shiat!") But yeah, it's that evil biatch of a wife's fault that he's not running!

Party of accountability, indeed!


I seem to recall some persistent rumors that the Daniels' marriage had just recovered from being on the rock on account of Mrs. Daniels stepping out on her hubby, something that surely would have come up in the rough and tumble of the nomination race. So Mitch might get the "True mensch" award for that one
 
2012-01-10 03:47:42 PM
Super Chronic: Philip Francis Queeg: 4. Barack Obama

Jon Huntsman is making his last stand in New Hampshire, and there is some upward movement for him in the polls. But if he doesn't defeat Romney there (or at least come in a close second), we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

So Obama is at fault for the Republican Party's lack of patriotism?

I watched that Sunday morning debate and gritted my teeth when the issue came up and Huntsman went on about others being "divisive." News flash: most Republicans don't give a rat's ass about being divisive (cue the Goldwater quote on extremism being a virtue), except when others do it. Here's how he had to answer the question: "The opportunity to serve my country arose, and I took it. Does anybody here think that we should refuse to serve our country, that we shouldn't answer the call to make things better for our country, as long as a Democrat is president? Raise your hand if you think that. (Pause.) No one? Okay. I do not want to hear any more criticism of my decision to serve as ambassador to China." Instead, all he said is "hey, that's divisive," and it scored him no points with anyone.


He went harder at Romeny that same evening, saying almost exactly what you wanted him to say, and Romney, flat out replied that YES he DID think that Huntsman should have refused the appointment because NOT helping Obama was more important than serving one's country. He basically reversed McCain's campaign slogan and now apparently embraces "Party first, country last" as his
 
2012-01-10 04:20:08 PM
Magorn: Super Chronic: Philip Francis Queeg: 4. Barack Obama

Jon Huntsman is making his last stand in New Hampshire, and there is some upward movement for him in the polls. But if he doesn't defeat Romney there (or at least come in a close second), we can trace Huntsman's loss to his decision to accept Barack Obama's offer to be ambassador to China in 2009. That single decision transformed Huntsman from a successful, popular governor from the most conservative state in the country into an employee of Obama, the most despised figure among G.O.P. primary voters.

So Obama is at fault for the Republican Party's lack of patriotism?

I watched that Sunday morning debate and gritted my teeth when the issue came up and Huntsman went on about others being "divisive." News flash: most Republicans don't give a rat's ass about being divisive (cue the Goldwater quote on extremism being a virtue), except when others do it. Here's how he had to answer the question: "The opportunity to serve my country arose, and I took it. Does anybody here think that we should refuse to serve our country, that we shouldn't answer the call to make things better for our country, as long as a Democrat is president? Raise your hand if you think that. (Pause.) No one? Okay. I do not want to hear any more criticism of my decision to serve as ambassador to China." Instead, all he said is "hey, that's divisive," and it scored him no points with anyone.

He went harder at Romeny that same evening, saying almost exactly what you wanted him to say, and Romney, flat out replied that YES he DID think that Huntsman should have refused the appointment because NOT helping Obama was more important than serving one's country. He basically reversed McCain's campaign slogan and now apparently embraces "Party first, country last" as his


Then I missed it. (I saw the Sunday morning, not the Saturday evening.) In which case... fark.
 
2012-01-10 04:43:50 PM
Fabric_Man: 6. Soros
7. The Liberals
8. That teenager kid down the street
9. Foreigners
10. Minorities
11. The doctor for saying they had to lower their sodium
12. The coffee table for stubbing their toes
13. Stalin (He's still out there, damnit!)
14. That disrespectful young lady at the bank who said they needed TWO valid forms of ID?!
15. The Queen
16. The Vatican
17. The Gettys
18. The Rothschilds
19. Colonel Saunders (He's still out there, damnit!)
20. etc...


21. The queers, and what they are doing to our soil.
 
2012-01-10 04:54:29 PM
hungryhungryhorus: "Themselves" conspicuously absent...

Man, I hate you.

I was going to say:

5. Themselves,
4. Themselves
3. Themselves
2. Themselves
1. Dick Cheney
 
2012-01-10 05:11:33 PM
I'm actually kind of proud that I was around and paid very close attention to this election. It's going to be one hell of a time to refer to in politics in the future. Possibly the worst and craziest set of candidates for a major political party in our history.
 
2012-01-10 09:53:08 PM
I'd also add Mike Huckabee to that list. Instead of beating Mitt Romney in a moderately hard fought race, he decided that his new Fox News gig and Florida villa was just too damn comfy and cozy to give up.

Seriously, I think he was one of the very few candidates who could have won the Republican primaries and ultimately the Presidency, fairly easily even. Aside from NY Governor Mario Cuomo, Huckabee has to be the person most likely to have been elected President had he actually decided to run, at least in my lifetime.
 
2012-01-11 12:26:58 AM
"themselves"

i hate circle jerk threads. bad enough one person doesn't rtfa and makes a dumbass comment, but then another pats him on the back, someone finally corrects him by pointing out that yup, that's in the list, and then two more after agree. oh and others guess what's in tfa when it's so hard to flick that scroll-wheel down and read the bolded headers to each section.

this kinda knee-jerk crap commenting is making fark almost as hard to read as the right wing psycho blogs

Done in three

i can't remember the last time a thread was actually done when this stupid meme was invoked, it's lost all meaning.
 
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