Let's be honest, they are pretty broke and miserable though.

Detroit has had an aging and outdated industry base since the 1980s. This is not news. Sadly it does still seem like everyone's sitting around waiting for a comeback, rather than get all bootstrappy and come up with new economies. Pittsburgh and Cleveland have reinvented themselves since Big Iron and Steel left town. Why is Detroit still so retarded it can't do anything but whine about the golden era of automotive?

ha-ha-guy: KiwDaWabbit: I do have sympathy, but I also get a little tired of hearing that "Detroit needs this" in the context of what they've been going through economically. They didn't suffer an attack or natural disaster, but are rather victims of dead business models. It's shiatty, but a lot of that area's problems are 100% self-inflicted.

It's the fault of white people. See after a bunch of devastating riots the whites all moved up to Oakland County, set up a police force capable of invading many countries, and a functional school system. Never mind the entire middle class (be they white, yellow, or black) fled to Oakland County, it's the white man's fault. Now after decades of mismanagement by local government, it's the fault of white people that the state is going to take the city over.

Detroit of course is totally not at fault for electing people like Coyners or Kilpatrick (or any of the other politicians the FBI has investigated over the years).

/shiat I'm bringing politics into a sports thread
//had to listen to a Detroit native whine about the evils of the people in Oakland County this morning, so I'm grumpy

What is this I don't even.. Pittsburgh, Cleveland and every other old industry city had "white flight" in the 70s and 80s. But they managed to come up with new industries and new reasons to attract talent and investment.

Detroit is just retarded, its right up there with Gary Indiana and Trenton NJ. Maybe Detroit never was meant to be a "major city," take away the cars and you got nothing. Still got nothing.

What a miserable farking city.

Generation_D: Detroit is just retarded, its right up there with Gary Indiana and Trenton NJ. Maybe Detroit never was meant to be a "major city," take away the cars and you got nothing. Still got nothing.

The cars were mostly built in the suburbs. There were a couple plants in the city (Fisher, Packard, etc), but for the most part all the big factories, especially after WW2, were in places like River Rogue, Wayne, Dearborn, Warren, Belleville (Willow Run), Highland Park, and the other suburbs.

Detroit's problem was when the middle class left the city and destroyed the tax base. It's not even a race thing; the middle class blacks left too. The auto industry's decline has certainly hurt southeastern Michigan, but the City of Detroit would still suck even if it were booming again. Nobody wants to live there.

Arkanaut: Crudbucket: Let's be honest, they are pretty broke and miserable though.

You could have said the same about the Lions until this year.


Generation_D: Detroit is just retarded, its right up there with Gary Indiana and Trenton NJ. Maybe Detroit never was meant to be a "major city," take away the cars and you got nothing. Still got nothing.

They got Ann Arbor next door, that's got to be worth something.

It means their education base did not see fit to help rebuild their capital city of their state. Look at Pittsburgh. Carnegie Mellon and Pitt led the way for Pittsburgh's tech and start-up renaissance of the 1990s, and Pittsburgh's downtown is doing fine today overall (though some outlying areas are still pretty bad).

Cleveland too, from butt of jokes in the 70s to where they are now. That had to take a coalition of all parts of the region, not just the suburban angry middle class who no longer had steel or heavy industry jobs.

Why then is Detroit so morally and spiritually bankrupt it can only come up with where it is now?

It reminds me of Reno Nevada. Total urban rot and decay, while what passes for local leadership still thinks the Golden Age before Las Vegas is coming back some day. And the downtown is total Blade Runner/Mad Max land now. Only not in a good way.

None of the points raised here however, have a single thing to do with Aaron Berry's lack of ability to catch a football. ha-ha-guy was right, all he's done was punch his ticket out of town, and it'll end up blowing up in his face with the stellar resume he's compiled in Detroit. Why take a chance on a guy you know will drop a sure interception when you could spend less on a 3rd or 4th round pick who might be able to catch?

So for whatever reason it appears the suburban education, industry and leadership of the Detroit region washed its hands of downtown, and to this day operates as a separate entity.

So .. looks like all-up fail, you got a broken city with no cash, and you got a bunch of gimme gimmes in the burbs who got theirs and say eff-u to the downtown.

Generation_D: So for whatever reason it appears the suburban education, industry and leadership of the Detroit region washed its hands of downtown, and to this day operates as a separate entity.

So .. looks like all-up fail, you got a broken city with no cash, and you got a bunch of gimme gimmes in the burbs who got theirs and say eff-u to the downtown.

Which is all relevant to something, but not Aaron Berry's lack of ability to catch a football, which is part of his job description. It wouldn't matter if no one in the city of Detroit knew what a letter was or if they all penned a version of War and Peace. Aaron Berry sucks.

Your Zionist Leader: None of the points raised here however, have a single thing to do with Aaron Berry's lack of ability to catch a football. ha-ha-guy was right, all he's done was punch his ticket out of town, and it'll end up blowing up in his face with the stellar resume he's compiled in Detroit. Why take a chance on a guy you know will drop a sure interception when you could spend less on a 3rd or 4th round pick who might be able to catch?

Thank you. Berry has done his part to keep Detroit residents miserable. He can shuffle on now.

I like Detroit and have been to it many times.

/live in A2
//I have never been mugged or experienced any violent crime here
///unlike Washington, DC

dickfreckle: We should get together and have a beer. I'm buying.

One of the best things about Michigan is a great brewery scene.

And hockey. It's this game played by toothless white folks on ice.

great_tigers: ha ha Detroit is so miserable.

Anyone that judges this state by the media perception of a couple of areas in Detroit can suck it. I really think it is an awesome city. The rest of the state doesn't even compare to Detroit either. The UP, Saugatuck, Sault Sainte Marie, hunting through the whole state, Grand Haven, skiing, sleeping bear dunes, Grand Rapids, Mt. Pleasant, great golfing, snowmobiling, Bad Axe, Microbrews, Traverse City and Alpena. If you don't like it don't come.

This state is no more miserable than any other that I have been to. Just got back from Phoenix and it was one of the grimiest places ever.

And the most segregation of any state in the Union.