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Grables'Daughter		2012-01-10 12:00:47 PM

PizzaJedi81: tarkin1: What part of correlation != to causation do they not understand.

The part I bolded.

Correlation excitedly equals causation?

kim jong-un		2012-01-10 12:02:53 PM

GAT_00: jaylectricity: Grables'Daughter: I have never understood this.

People shave under their arms, and that's okay, but having hardwood floors is sexualizing children?

Nobody's having sex with your underarms. Well maybe yours, but in general, no.

It's a fair argument though. Both are technically childish. Why is one OK and the other not? Do you get turned on only by pubic hair? So why does it matter?

It's all about control, not control in a man vs woman manner, but in Man vs nature.

Humans HAVE to have certainty and control. It's known that people are more happy when they can predict the outcome of their life even if that outcome is negative. (see happiness in stable dictatorships vs unstable oppressive regimes)

We can hide pubic hair. But the style of dress for women exposes armpit hair. Due to the location it can not be controlled via combing or spray and thus looks untamed. It subconsciously makes us feel that either we or the unshaved person is not in control of their own body.

It puts forth the same message that uncombed head hair would. So we control it in the only way that works, we shave it off. Pubic hair isn't seen in similar situations, so it doesn't exist. If we were in a situation where we had to be pantless in social situations, shaving your nether regions would be as common as shaving a beard or armpit.

It's not about being childish in this respect, in fact, being unshaved is seen as more childish than being shaved.

Ever see a guy with an unkempt beard? Most opinions people have when seeing that are emotions/opinions we normally apply to adolescents.

So shaved = adult, mature, and powerful because unshaved gives the impression of a lack of control or power.

Dr J Zoidberg		2012-01-10 12:04:45 PM

I prefer shaved but I'm not going to turn down a girl who is neatly trimmed (or most other girls for that matter). But if it looks like the government needs to station a forest ranger down there, that's a different story.

KiplingKat872		2012-01-10 12:05:55 PM

The carpet matches the drapes, so my kitty is pretty red.

(Plus having tried a brazilian on a whim, I found the pressure of the thick seem of a pair of jean rubbing on unprotected squishy bits to be very uncomfortable.)

So bikini lines only.

If a man doesn't like it, the door is that way.

PizzaJedi81		2012-01-10 12:05:57 PM

Grables'Daughter: PizzaJedi81: tarkin1: What part of correlation != to causation do they not understand.

The part I bolded.

Correlation excitedly equals causation?

Yeah, it's far more low key than that, honestly.

LesserEvil		2012-01-10 12:07:04 PM

Nobody has posted this yet?

picture.funnycorner.net

Dr J Zoidberg		2012-01-10 12:07:28 PM

KiplingKat872: The carpet matches the drapes, so my kitty is pretty red.

(Plus having tried a brazilian on a whim, I found the pressure of the thick seem of a pair of jean rubbing on unprotected squishy bits to be very uncomfortable.)

So bikini lines only.

If a man doesn't like it, the door is that way.

Checking out your profile, leaving said profile, disappointed

xenomorpheus		2012-01-10 12:08:16 PM

braedan: knightofargh: The standard answer is "Boots" when asked what I'm wearing under my kilt.

The standard reaction.
[www.myfacewhen.net image 357x319]

don't knock it before you try it... You'd be amazed at the women who flock to you and the drinks you get from everyone...

If you are broke, wear a kilt in the "traditional" manner to a cool bar and you are set for the evening

Utilikilt FTW!

Ika7734		2012-01-10 12:11:18 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: I prefer shaved but I'm not going to turn down a girl who is neatly trimmed (or most other girls for that matter). But if it looks like the government needs to station a forest ranger down there, that's a different story.

So let me get this straight... you're with a chick you're attracted to, you're getting hot and heavy, and as soon as you find out she's not trimmed neatly you're going to go home without getting laid? stop lying.

hailin		2012-01-10 12:12:13 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: Just out of curiosity, what about Shark Week enhances your natural odor? Or is that a euphemism that I am completely missing.
/Sharks on TV are cool, just have no idea why they are odor related.

I have no idea what natural odor you are talking about, but blood/mucus drying onto hair is going to increase the odor except for the two hours after a shower.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost		2012-01-10 12:12:48 PM

Oh yeah... hairless is the way to go.

FrancoFile		2012-01-10 12:14:06 PM

hailin: I hate having hair down there because it hurts (my hair is super thick), I get tons of ingrown hairs, and during shark week is always gross smelling even with daily showers. Shaving really sucks though and makes the hair even thicker (plus it itches like hell after a few days), so I switched to Brazilian waxing over a year ago and absolutely love it. The hair grows in a bit finer, but never gets long enough the hurt. I get maybe one or two ingrown hairs every no and then compared to twenty. The lady that does my waxing is awesome and gives me a 1/2 price discount if I come in every 5 weeks, so it is around $40 a month. It is my monthly spa treatment that I treat myself to and it takes away a huge annoyance from my life.

When I have more money saved up I'm getting laser treatment on my underarms, arms, chest/belly (very fine hair there, but enough to annoy me), chin/lip area, legs, and the fun zone. I'm starting with the fun zone though because no matter how many times I get waxed, it still hurts like hell.

/I don't shave my legs either, I use an epilator
//I only shave my underarms because when I wax or epilate it bleeds too badly from the thick hair

Apparently we've found Kim Kardashian's Fark handle.

Cubicle Jockey		2012-01-10 12:14:22 PM

tansa: historical record bears that out

What you see in the historical record are early marriages between noble families to cement alliances and the increased pressure within landed and titled households to produce a male heir as soon as possible.

Meanwhile the much more numerous commoners/craftsmen were marrying later and having children later. They weren't going to have kids unless they could afford them. The nobles described above did not usually have that limitation.

But no one ever talks about non-nobles in the usual history books.

So you see "Duchess X was married at 12 and died in childbirth at 14", and never "Goodwife Y bore a second child for the village blacksmith at 22".

Teenwolf		2012-01-10 12:14:27 PM

bhcompy: snoopaloopa: So, back in the day abnormally hairy children would be the cause of pedo tendency?

What do you think Teen Wolf was?

Hey, now, don't drag me into this mess.

Dr J Zoidberg		2012-01-10 12:16:11 PM

Ika7734: Dr J Zoidberg: I prefer shaved but I'm not going to turn down a girl who is neatly trimmed (or most other girls for that matter). But if it looks like the government needs to station a forest ranger down there, that's a different story.

So let me get this straight... you're with a chick you're attracted to, you're getting hot and heavy, and as soon as you find out she's not trimmed neatly you're going to go home without getting laid? stop lying.

Maybe the one time depending on how attracted I am, but in terms of a relationship if she flat out refuses to even trim the thing, then no. Then again I'm in my early 20s as the admittedly few girls I've dated, so it's never really been an issue.

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-01-10 12:16:32 PM

hailin: Wicked Chinchilla: Just out of curiosity, what about Shark Week enhances your natural odor? Or is that a euphemism that I am completely missing.
/Sharks on TV are cool, just have no idea why they are odor related.

I have no idea what natural odor you are talking about, but blood/mucus drying onto hair is going to increase the odor except for the two hours after a shower.

euphemism!

When you said shark week I thought Discovery Channel, not a monthly thing.
/Thanks for clearing that up.

DrippinBalls		2012-01-10 12:17:22 PM

I always prefer a shaved clam with meaty lips that I could use as a WW1 army helmet or as a set of leather chaps. But that's me.YMMV.

hailin		2012-01-10 12:17:31 PM

airsupport: I tried to find this sexy, really I did. I tried very hard. But I can't.
I'm sorry.

There is very little about the hair removal process that is sexy. Which is why I find it funny the end result is "OMG YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE A LITTLE GIRL!!!" No, I don't. I want to feel clean and smell good which is the exact same reason people shave their pits. I wouldn't put myself through that much pain and sacrifice if I want to stay young forever. I would have just offed myself at the first signs of maturing...or been bitten by a vampire.

Jim_Callahan		2012-01-10 12:21:55 PM

Yeah, using pavlovian response as an argument for denying individuals moral agency (that porn "makes" you do or feel anything beyond your control) is about as "scientific" as using mendelian genetics as and argument that we should kill all the black people, jews, and retards.

No, seriously, the argument is almost identical, that general trends are more important than individual variation (and that the person making the argument doesn't really understand science and has to resort to the pop-culture version of something that's half a century out of date to begin with).

Oh, but I'm sure it's meaningful and will totally end well this time. Totally.

watson.t.hamster		2012-01-10 12:22:57 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: Primarily the proponents for this theory are men I think. IMO, to me it seems like they are trying to come up with a convenient excuse for being attracted to children. Instead of dealing with their reality they come up with this to go "see, its not REALLY my fault, its all that porn!" Its just another way to dodge responsibility. What they should do is acknowledge they might have inappropriate feelings to themselves and exercise some discipline to not actually ACT on those feelings. In the end its the action part of that equation thats the most important anyway. You could be most attracted to Dugongs and it wouldn't mean jack all to anyone unless you went swimming in south east asia boffing every manatee-like creature in sight.

My thoughts too. The "blame it on porn" crowd almost exclusively seem (and this is just my opinion) to be people who have hangups of their own and want a scapegoat.

Right up there with "I didn't raise a sociopath, it was all those videogames!"

In a different time (or right now in some places) it would be "the devil made me do it!"

pute kisses like a man		2012-01-10 12:24:13 PM

stop liking what I don't like!

but, I have a tendency to think that anyone who over-grooms is paying a lot of attention to something that I don't pay very much attention to.

I can deal with it though. I'd prefer natural beauty, but if a person is more comfortable with a lot of contrivance, that's ok. as long as that person is more comfortable. I'm going to be comfortable either way.

/ I doubt shaving is related to pedophilia. it's probably some more harmless desire

Tyrone Slothrop		2012-01-10 12:27:17 PM

Grables'Daughter: I have never understood this.

People shave under their arms, and that's okay, but having hardwood floors is sexualizing children?

Well, it seems to be generally agreed that the "no public hair" laws in Japanese porn since WWII has led to the creation of Lolicon.

watson.t.hamster		2012-01-10 12:30:51 PM

imontheinternet		2012-01-10 12:31:00 PM

Shaving is more of a hygiene issue than anything. Porn doesn't change the fack that a shaved clam is cleaner. The rise of facials, OTOH, can be linked directly to widespread access to porn.

Raised in a pure pornography vacuum, a man would most likely still prefer shaved, but blasting his partner in the face would probably never cross his mind, and even if it did, I doubt he would want it to the extent that he would put forth the necessary effort to talk a girl into it.

/80% of all porn conundrums are resolved through thought experiments

EbolaNYC		2012-01-10 12:39:27 PM

Ohh bullshiat! They cite a pedophile and a guy who's a little gay as proof? A child has nothing in common with a shaved WOMAN. Also, if you find yourself looking at other dude's junk, it's not the porn, at minimum, you kinda like looking at penis and possibly wouldn't mind touching one... accidentally.

SuperChuck		2012-01-10 12:41:40 PM

KiplingKat872: The carpet matches the drapes, so my kitty is pretty red.

(Plus having tried a brazilian on a whim, I found the pressure of the thick seem of a pair of jean rubbing on unprotected squishy bits to be very uncomfortable.)

So bikini lines only.

If a man doesn't like it, the door is that way.

As a fan of red pubes, I'd like to see where the door is.

hawcian		2012-01-10 12:42:28 PM

imontheinternet: Shaving is more of a hygiene issue than anything. Porn doesn't change the fack that a shaved clam is cleaner. The rise of facials, OTOH, can be linked directly to widespread access to porn.

Raised in a pure pornography vacuum, a man would most likely still prefer shaved, but blasting his partner in the face would probably never cross his mind, and even if it did, I doubt he would want it to the extent that he would put forth the necessary effort to talk a girl into it.

/80% of all porn conundrums are resolved through thought experiments

I've never really understood facials. They don't turn me on, and I've never had the urge to do so with any girlfriend I've had. What exactly is so great about them?

VictoryCabal		2012-01-10 12:43:30 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: Just out of curiosity, what about Shark Week enhances your natural odor? Or is that a euphemism that I am completely missing.
/Sharks on TV are cool, just have no idea why they are odor related.

I believe she's using Shark Week as a euphemism for her period. I lold when I read it.

PizzaJedi81		2012-01-10 12:43:44 PM

SuperChuck: KiplingKat872: The carpet matches the drapes, so my kitty is pretty red.

(Plus having tried a brazilian on a whim, I found the pressure of the thick seem of a pair of jean rubbing on unprotected squishy bits to be very uncomfortable.)

So bikini lines only.

If a man doesn't like it, the door is that way.

As a fan of red pubes, I'd like to see where the door is.

It's around back.

The My Little Pony Killer		2012-01-10 12:48:36 PM

kim jong-un: GAT_00: jaylectricity: Grables'Daughter: I have never understood this.

People shave under their arms, and that's okay, but having hardwood floors is sexualizing children?

Nobody's having sex with your underarms. Well maybe yours, but in general, no.

It's a fair argument though. Both are technically childish. Why is one OK and the other not? Do you get turned on only by pubic hair? So why does it matter?

It's all about control, not control in a man vs woman manner, but in Man vs nature.

Humans HAVE to have certainty and control. It's known that people are more happy when they can predict the outcome of their life even if that outcome is negative. (see happiness in stable dictatorships vs unstable oppressive regimes)

We can hide pubic hair. But the style of dress for women exposes armpit hair. Due to the location it can not be controlled via combing or spray and thus looks untamed. It subconsciously makes us feel that either we or the unshaved person is not in control of their own body.

It puts forth the same message that uncombed head hair would. So we control it in the only way that works, we shave it off. Pubic hair isn't seen in similar situations, so it doesn't exist. If we were in a situation where we had to be pantless in social situations, shaving your nether regions would be as common as shaving a beard or armpit.

It's not about being childish in this respect, in fact, being unshaved is seen as more childish than being shaved.

Ever see a guy with an unkempt beard? Most opinions people have when seeing that are emotions/opinions we normally apply to adolescents.

So shaved = adult, mature, and powerful because unshaved gives the impression of a lack of control or power.

chanarchive.org

Human beings are mammals. We have hair. Your personal preference has nothing to do with the amount of control I may or may not have over my own body. All it does is push you out of my pool of prospective sexual partners, and I'm perfectly okay with that. I prefer my partners to be comfortable with themselves, not obsessed with appearing "in control."

RedEmily		2012-01-10 12:50:19 PM

I just shaved, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

Zel		2012-01-10 12:50:44 PM

The thread was a letdown, but at least I still have this "merrychistmas" email

and a happy new year!

Cyno01		2012-01-10 12:50:53 PM

knightofargh: The standard answer is "Boots" when asked what I'm wearing under my kilt.

I thought the proper response to someone asking you if you have anything on under your kilt is "Just your mothers lipstick". At least thats my standard response...

knightofargh		2012-01-10 12:51:32 PM

RedEmily: I just shaved, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

I believe the phrase is "pics or it didn't happen".

that bosnian sniper		2012-01-10 12:59:52 PM

Meh, I utterly loathe this "pedophilia slippery slope" crap. Women have secondary sexual characteristics that aren't bush, you know. Now, when you get into the whole trend of no boobs and no hips on top of bald as a newborn's asshole from a few years back prior to the health backlash, then you might have a point but short of that it's BS.

/Prefer the hippie look, myself, though bald is my least favorite of styles
//Only ever been with one woman that wasn't bald, and I think explaining my down-below preference to them might've been worse-received than if I told them I wanted to take a huge steaming dump on their chest

Walt_Jizzney		2012-01-10 01:05:05 PM

This "shaving" thing the article speaks of confuses me...could someone please post some links so I may be educated on the subject matter?

The Singing Bush		2012-01-10 01:07:56 PM

hawcian: imontheinternet: Shaving is more of a hygiene issue than anything. Porn doesn't change the fack that a shaved clam is cleaner. The rise of facials, OTOH, can be linked directly to widespread access to porn.

Raised in a pure pornography vacuum, a man would most likely still prefer shaved, but blasting his partner in the face would probably never cross his mind, and even if it did, I doubt he would want it to the extent that he would put forth the necessary effort to talk a girl into it.

/80% of all porn conundrums are resolved through thought experiments

I've never really understood facials. They don't turn me on, and I've never had the urge to do so with any girlfriend I've had. What exactly is so great about them?

What isn't great about them, amiright? HIGH FIVE!!

Lsherm		2012-01-10 01:08:02 PM

hailin: Wicked Chinchilla: Just out of curiosity, what about Shark Week enhances your natural odor? Or is that a euphemism that I am completely missing.
/Sharks on TV are cool, just have no idea why they are odor related.

I have no idea what natural odor you are talking about, but blood/mucus drying onto hair is going to increase the odor except for the two hours after a shower.

You sound suspiciously like someone who beefs in the shower and heels it down the drain.

Tobin_Lam		2012-01-10 01:10:23 PM

By the author's logic, small-breasted women that are also shaved are a definite no-no. You might thing you're having sex with a little girl!

factoryconnection		2012-01-10 01:14:48 PM

On one hand, TFA was heavy on the anecdotes, which isn't the basis of good science. They can be used to exemplify empirical points.

On the other, I feel like most of this thread is reacting to the article based on their biases. What I saw was that, because of the intense reward delivered while watching porn (I mean, that's what I use it for anyhow) the cues from it during orgasm can become ingrained to stimulate physical and mental arousal. That's where the story of seeing a juvenile genital area resulting in an unexpected and unwelcome physical or mental response. Porn also does a whole lot of separating the genitals from the actors... extended close-ups with little but repetitive pistoning with no dialogue or genuine reactions from either partner.

Getting away from porn for a while seemed to dry up these responses (see: the guy that lost his taste for huge, fake cans). They also addressed porn's effect on shaping sexual tastes. Certainly something has turned the ladies of the world on to all the things that are more routine now (exhibitionism, shaving bare, anal, other fun things...) that were rare or even verboten a generation ago. However, maybe I'm just getting old because I can't watch professional porno anymore... the sex is degrading, the women are fake/shrill/bored, and there's just nothing sexy about the sex. It all seems like a naked version of "Fear Factor." Amateur seems way better.

What I did NOT see was: "I like shaven pussy because I'm a pedophile." None of that. If you like a grown woman with no pubic hair, it's probably because you like seeing pussy clearly.

Two Hearted		2012-01-10 01:21:12 PM

factoryconnection: the sex is degrading, the women are fake/shrill/bored, and there's just nothing sexy about the sex. It all seems like a naked version of "Fear Factor." Amateur seems way better.

I'd agree with that. Amateur tends to be more "real". That and Dancing Bear.

Cyno01		2012-01-10 01:26:46 PM

Two Hearted: factoryconnection: the sex is degrading, the women are fake/shrill/bored, and there's just nothing sexy about the sex. It all seems like a naked version of "Fear Factor." Amateur seems way better.

I'd agree with that. Amateur tends to be more "real". That and Dancing Bear.

I never want to let my GF go to another bachelorette party. Seriously, whats the deal w/ that shiat.

DreamyAltarBoy		2012-01-10 01:30:20 PM

factoryconnection: If you like a grown woman with no pubic hair, it's probably because you like ~~seeing~~ eating pussy ~~clearly~~ cleanly.

FTFY

PizzaJedi81		2012-01-10 01:30:56 PM

If the person who just sponsored me for TotalFark is in this thread, thank you! It's a...well, it's a belated Christmas miracle!

Fark_Guy_Rob		2012-01-10 01:42:03 PM

Chicken and Egg argument.....

"People only like X because it's popular in Porn"
Okay - but then *why* is it popular?

"Because SOCIETY SAYS we should like it!"
Okay - but society didn't always say that, why did it change?

Nobody wants to admit it, but the collective wishes of lots of individuals represents societies views. The things that become popular in porn are the things that the majority want to see. Not the other way around. And to be perfectly honest - I'm really, really sick of people acting like this stuff is new. It isn't.

Porn has been around for as long as people have.
Kinky fetishes too.

Pubic hair shaving is not new. It's not a modern invention created by porn stars.

http://beavershaver.com/history_pubic_shaving.htm
"The practice of pubic hair removal goes back to the dawn of civilization. To early Egyptians, a smooth and hairless body was the standard of beauty"

As far as I'm concerned, all it takes is one, factual, statement (like the one above) to completely destroy the argument in the article.

Lsherm		2012-01-10 01:52:15 PM

kim jong-un: It's not about being childish in this respect, in fact, being unshaved is seen as more childish than being shaved.

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LiberalWeenie		2012-01-10 01:53:16 PM

Nothing more aggravating that not being able to pull apart the thicket to make way for the tongue.

Yes sweetie, I can try to be gentle, but pulling hair sometimes hurts. Maybe you should do something about it, then.

Fark_Guy_Rob		2012-01-10 01:54:19 PM

The Singing Bush: hawcian: imontheinternet: Shaving is more of a hygiene issue than anything. Porn doesn't change the fack that a shaved clam is cleaner. The rise of facials, OTOH, can be linked directly to widespread access to porn.

Raised in a pure pornography vacuum, a man would most likely still prefer shaved, but blasting his partner in the face would probably never cross his mind, and even if it did, I doubt he would want it to the extent that he would put forth the necessary effort to talk a girl into it.

/80% of all porn conundrums are resolved through thought experiments

I've never really understood facials. They don't turn me on, and I've never had the urge to do so with any girlfriend I've had. What exactly is so great about them?

What isn't great about them, amiright? HIGH FIVE!!

The Singing Bush: hawcian: imontheinternet: Shaving is more of a hygiene issue than anything. Porn doesn't change the fack that a shaved clam is cleaner. The rise of facials, OTOH, can be linked directly to widespread access to porn.

Raised in a pure pornography vacuum, a man would most likely still prefer shaved, but blasting his partner in the face would probably never cross his mind, and even if it did, I doubt he would want it to the extent that he would put forth the necessary effort to talk a girl into it.

/80% of all porn conundrums are resolved through thought experiments

I've never really understood facials. They don't turn me on, and I've never had the urge to do so with any girlfriend I've had. What exactly is so great about them?

What isn't great about them, amiright? HIGH FIVE!!

I can't speculate on the percentage of people who would 'discover' ejaculating on someone's face; but I can tell you the act certainly pre-dates modern media. By, at least, several hundred years. Probably much, much longer; but I can't find a specific example earlier than the 1700s.

Oral sex has been around since, well, forever. And, really, it's got to go somewhere.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass		2012-01-10 02:18:46 PM

rickycal78		2012-01-10 02:19:12 PM

imontheinternet: Shaving is more of a hygiene issue than anything. Porn doesn't change the fack that a shaved clam is cleaner. The rise of facials, OTOH, can be linked directly to widespread access to porn.

Raised in a pure pornography vacuum, a man would most likely still prefer shaved, but blasting his partner in the face would probably never cross his mind, and even if it did, I doubt he would want it to the extent that he would put forth the necessary effort to talk a girl into it.

Hell most of porn would never cross most people's mind in a porn free vacuum. I can see it now..."You know, it'd be hot if after going down the dirt road with my lady I had her suck me off." "It'd be a total turn on to slap this broad across the face and make her almost vomit on my junk and to see tears in her eyes." "Hey guys come here. What we're going to do is all take turns nailing this chick then we're all going to jizz in a cup and have her drink it. That's hot, right?"

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