I doubt this is the final solution to the problem

IgG4: It's as if after the holocaust they are subconsciously emulating the Nazis,

Nothing subconscious about it. In the late 19th century ethnic nationalism became very popular. The Nazis, Italian Fascists, Atatürk's Pan-turkism, Franco's Falangists, and yes Zionism all share their roots in that era.

Tatsuma: So yeah, next time you want to post pictures of these guys as an example that 'not all Jews are zionists', think who you are busy giving attention to.

Um... What the f*ck are you talking about?

Tatsuma: Wendy's Chili: Um... What the f*ck are you talking about?

Neturei Karta, a group whose name roughly translates as 'How a bout you read TFA?'

I see nothing about Zionism nor pictures of the protesters.

Are you sure you're WHARGARBLing in the right thread?

Tatsuma: Wendy's Chili: I see nothing about Zionism nor pictures of the protesters.

This article is talking about protesters who dressed up as victims of Nazi oppression.

These protesters were also carrying signs saying 'World, save us from zionist oppression, send international forces' and other rubbish

I am pointing out that the people who did this are also the people who have done the things I listed


Seriously would it kill you to just research a modicum into the topics you're posting in?

No one here or in the article "posted pictures of these guys as an example that 'not all Jews are zionists'".

Who are you talking to?

Tatsuma: Wendy's Chili: No one here or in the article "posted pictures of these guys as an example that 'not all Jews are zionists'".

A certain segment of people love to post pictures of these guys and say 'Welp see my position is perfectly fine look at those fine Jews who agree with me!' on Fark.

I'm pointing out for everyone that these people in this article, and the recent articles about Israel's Haredi community, are those guys.

So it's good to criminalize speech when the speaker has a history of spitting on people?

Tatsuma: Wendy's Chili: So it's good to criminalize speech when the speaker has a history of spitting on people?

Where did I say I supported that law? I'm convinced you're just trolling me at this point

I don't support this law, I think it's idiotic, even if their display (that I actually saw) was revolting.

Leftists in Tel Aviv routinely use that imagery, but suddenly some people use it in Meah Shearim and it's time to outlaw it and curb free speech.

So you just came in to demonize the protesters for fun, not because of anything that has to do with the article?

Wendy's Chili: Um... What the f*ck are you talking about?

The big protests last week with kids dressed up as concentration camp victims and mimicking famous photo poses, to say that the modern general Israeli society and the media are demonizing the ultra-orthodox, which, according to them, is how the Holocaust started and so the comparison is legit.

This horrified all kinds of people in Israel and elsewhere.

But there's been use of Nazi imagery earlier, political settlers were wearing stars (orange so not exactly the same, but referencing it) and using Nazi language during settlement dismantling earlier too - which also bought disgust from other parts of the public, though it didn't make so much international news.

Not being Israeli I've no say in it but my first reaction is banning speech isn't going to help. If anything let more speech out and talk about the issue.

itazurakko: Wendy's Chili: Um... What the f*ck are you talking about?

The big protests last week with kids dressed up as concentration camp victims and mimicking famous photo poses, to say that the modern general Israeli society and the media are demonizing the ultra-orthodox, which, according to them, is how the Holocaust started and so the comparison is legit.

This horrified all kinds of people in Israel and elsewhere.

But there's been use of Nazi imagery earlier, political settlers were wearing stars (orange so not exactly the same, but referencing it) and using Nazi language during settlement dismantling earlier too - which also bought disgust from other parts of the public, though it didn't make so much international news.

Not being Israeli I've no say in it but my first reaction is banning speech isn't going to help. If anything let more speech out and talk about the issue.

Yeah, I get the gist of the situation over there, I just thought it was kinda bizzare that Tatsuma felt compelled to come in and condemn all the non-existent anti-Zionist picture-posting that was going on in this thread rather than comment on the law that is the subject of the article.

Tatsuma: itazurakko: The big protests last week with kids dressed up as concentration camp victims and mimicking famous photo poses, to say that the modern general Israeli society and the media are demonizing the ultra-orthodox, which, according to them, is how the Holocaust started and so the comparison is legit.

It's not 'the ultra-Orthodox' who were protesting and who were there. It was Neturei Karta who was protesting. I actually saw that protest with my own eyes.

The Chareidi world was horrified by this.

itazurakko: But there's been use of Nazi imagery earlier, political settlers were wearing stars (orange so not exactly the same, but referencing it) and using Nazi language during settlement dismantling earlier too

yeah and the rest of society was horrified and they immediately stopped and said 'Welp, sorry about that, that's not really the message we wanted to send'

That was a stupid move on their part

And a LOT of protesters during the tent protests were wearing those stars.

What if you just want to tell someone he's a snappy dresser?

As a matter of fact, the use of Nazi symbols IS illegal in Germany.

Tatsuma: The Chareidi world was horrified by this.

That's where the debate gets a heck of a lot more nuanced.

vpb: The whole "lets change history because it sounds like you are saying something nice about Hitler if you admit that he came to power through constitutional means" is stupid.

Yeah there's people who get upset about various exhibits showing Hitler's (or other dictators') personal effects, or daily stuff like calendars with pro-Nazi messages or advertisements for commemorative department store sales when some atrocities went on in China and whatever else, saying it glorifies things. I can kinda see that argument, but on the other hand I think it's important for people to realize that you can't always tell who is going to go off the rails that badly when it all first starts, that it's so often frog in the pot slow, and YES, ordinary perfectly "nice" people end up getting involved, so in the modern day too people need to think about stuff. Regular people can do some really horrific things.

People like to think afterward that well, gee, I wouldn't have been taken in. Or well, surely MY ancestors were in the opposition or didn't own slaves or whatever it is. Or if they did, surely they were horribly coerced. I'm safe.

...but maybe that's another thread.

How ironic.

I suppose when you are acting like Nazis to the Palistinians, it helps to disassociate yourself a bit.