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2012-01-09 05:22:53 PM
If could travel back in time, he would have never sat on Lou Gehrig's toilet seat.
 
2012-01-09 05:37:51 PM
I read an interview years ago about how Hawking likes to bet but will never take a bet about the existence of time travel. His reasoning was that if time travel existed, his opponent may have already been to the future and knew the answer.
 
2012-01-09 06:03:55 PM
What happens when Stephen Hawking dies?
The Windows Shutdown sound plays.

What did Stephen Hawking say when his computer crashed?
Nothing.

When he dies, can you imagine Stephen Hawking in front of the stairway to heaven going: "fark..."

I'm Stephen Hawking, and I'm a PC.

A thought. If I enter Stephen Hawking against his will, am I a rapist or a hacker?
 
2012-01-09 06:07:48 PM
TommyymmoT: If could travel back in time, he would have never sat on Lou Gehrig's toilet seat.

Wouldn't he go back and kill Lou Gehrig's mother? Lou obviously invented the thing. The only way to be sure.
 
2012-01-09 06:07:58 PM
Everyone knows the secret to time travel. You're all traveling through time right now. It just happens that the travel is along a fixed direction at roughly the same rate.
 
2012-01-09 06:27:30 PM
Pffft.

According to the most reliable, accepted models of quantum theory, you'd never have any guarantee that the timeline you returned to after looking at tomorrow's lottery numbers would produce the same eventual number draw. In fact, according to most projections, you'd actually REDUCE your chances. The odds would go up from from fixed odds of about one in 200,000,000, to one in a doubled measure of infinity. This, since you left one timeline and created another to go forward, and then subsequently left THAT one to create yet a third upon your "return" to the past/present. You'd then resume forward-linear time/space motion upon any of an infinity (X2) of split diversions from the initial departure singularity, which statistically speaking, has a for all intents and purposes zero practical chance of producing the desired outcome!

Ugh...I think I need to go lie down for a minute.
 
2012-01-09 06:45:13 PM
TommyymmoT , as the boobies you missed a hilarious opportunity to say boobies and have it time travel IN A FARK LIKE REPLY LOLOLOL you blew it
 
2012-01-09 07:09:37 PM
Wait a minute... That response was written in 1995, and here it is appearing on Fark in 2012! How did he do that?
 
2012-01-09 07:10:34 PM
Massive quantities of speed and whiskey. When you're done it will be days in the future but feel like only an instant has passed.
 
2012-01-09 07:20:05 PM
Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl

RexTalionis: Everyone knows the secret to time travel. You're all traveling through time right now. It just happens that the travel is along a fixed direction at roughly the same rate.

I have a feeling this idea of a single direction through time will become more and more blurry as work with the LHC progresses. I also have a sneaking suspicion the Higgs-Boson is part of the answer. The next hundred years are going to be so interesting for science.
 
2012-01-09 07:28:59 PM
Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl


images.wikia.com
 
2012-01-09 07:31:15 PM
Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

Some friends of mine wrote what I think is a very good song about this theory.
 
2012-01-09 07:39:11 PM
RexTalionis: Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl


[images.wikia.com image 640x393]


Yay. I'm not too old for that one yet.
 
2012-01-09 07:41:02 PM
Peki: RexTalionis: Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl


[images.wikia.com image 640x393]

Yay. I'm not too old for that one yet.


Fun fact: The "Sun" used in the slingshot sequence was created by bouncing a laser beam off of a beer can.
 
2012-01-09 07:41:32 PM
RexTalionis: Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl

[images.wikia.com image 640x393]


Or you can just give up and plough into it whilst listening to Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire.

/kudos if you get THAT reference
 
2012-01-09 08:09:23 PM
snuff3r: RexTalionis: Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl

[images.wikia.com image 640x393]

Or you can just give up and plough into it whilst listening to Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire.

/kudos if you get THAT reference


It rings a bell but not enough to put a name to it. I'm sure you are disappoint.
 
2012-01-09 08:23:21 PM
MaxxLarge: The odds would go up from from fixed odds of about one in 200,000,000, to one in a doubled measure of infinity.

Logic fail.

The odds of anything are one once it happens. So all you do is steal the money, and go back in time to before you stole it with the bills and launder them double quick.
 
2012-01-09 08:41:10 PM
Larry Niven's Conjecture: The simplest change to resolve any time travel paradox is getting rid of the time machine.
"Niven's Law": If the universe of discourse permits the possibility of time travel and of changing the past, then no time machine will be invented in that universe.
Rephrased more poetically: Nature abhors a vacuum, but actively despises a time machine.
 
2012-01-09 08:48:22 PM
abb3w: If the universe of discourse permits the possibility of time travel and of changing the past, then no time machine will be invented in that universe.

I've always thought that if time travel were possible it would have already occurred at some point. Also, if I were to travel back in time for a given purpose (say I wanted to make some investments) and my mission was successful, wouldn't that negate the initial need/purpose of my trip? Plus things are going to get pretty hairy if I want to reorder the universe to some previous state.
 
2012-01-09 08:51:00 PM
abb3w: Larry Niven's Conjecture: The simplest change to resolve any time travel paradox is getting rid of the time machine.
"Niven's Law": If the universe of discourse permits the possibility of time travel and of changing the past, then no time machine will be invented in that universe.
Rephrased more poetically: Nature abhors a vacuum, but actively despises a time machine.


so what you're saying is it shouldn't be a time machine, it should be a time stick or pair of pants or something. interesting...interesting.

*goes back to lab*
 
2012-01-09 09:09:58 PM
You can time travel if you throw yourself at the time-space continuum and miss.
 
2012-01-09 09:12:56 PM
ultraholland: Massive quantities of speed and whiskey. When you're done it will be days in the future but feel like only an instant has passed.

I can vouch for that.
 
2012-01-09 09:16:38 PM
FunkOut: You can time travel if you throw yourself at the time-space continuum and miss.

Is that anything like flying by throwing yourself at the ground and missing?
 
2012-01-09 09:36:44 PM
abb3w: Larry Niven's Conjecture: The simplest change to resolve any time travel paradox is getting rid of the time machine.
"Niven's Law": If the universe of discourse permits the possibility of time travel and of changing the past, then no time machine will be invented in that universe.
Rephrased more poetically: Nature abhors a vacuum, but actively despises a time machine.


I wonder if "time" is total fiction to begin with. Like "color." Which is not a fundamental property of the universe but a biological mechanism our brains use to detect different wave lengths of light.
 
2012-01-09 09:49:10 PM
This guy has the secret to time travel

www.lolriot.com
 
2012-01-09 09:49:55 PM
DarnoKonrad: abb3w: Larry Niven's Conjecture: The simplest change to resolve any time travel paradox is getting rid of the time machine.
"Niven's Law": If the universe of discourse permits the possibility of time travel and of changing the past, then no time machine will be invented in that universe.
Rephrased more poetically: Nature abhors a vacuum, but actively despises a time machine.

I wonder if "time" is total fiction to begin with. Like "color." Which is not a fundamental property of the universe but a biological mechanism our brains use to detect different wave lengths of light.


"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."
 
2012-01-09 09:51:16 PM
MaxxLarge: intentssive and purposes

FTFY
 
2012-01-09 09:52:04 PM
/Am I doing it right?
//paging Trosky
///...or something
 
2012-01-09 10:14:52 PM
MaxxLarge: Pffft.

According to the most reliable, accepted models of quantum theory, you'd never have any guarantee that the timeline you returned to after looking at tomorrow's lottery numbers would produce the same eventual number draw. In fact, according to most projections, you'd actually REDUCE your chances. The odds would go up from from fixed odds of about one in 200,000,000, to one in a doubled measure of infinity. This, since you left one timeline and created another to go forward, and then subsequently left THAT one to create yet a third upon your "return" to the past/present. You'd then resume forward-linear time/space motion upon any of an infinity (X2) of split diversions from the initial departure singularity, which statistically speaking, has a for all intents and purposes zero practical chance of producing the desired outcome!

Ugh...I think I need to go lie down for a minute.


You grew a goatee writing that.
 
2012-01-09 10:15:56 PM
tomWright: FunkOut: You can time travel if you throw yourself at the time-space continuum and miss.

Is that anything like flying by throwing yourself at the ground and missing?


Yes, but it requires one to be even drunker than normal.
 
2012-01-09 10:16:38 PM
ultraholland: I've always thought that if time travel were possible it would have already occurred at some point.

Poor reasoning. If time travel WASN'T possible, we wouldn't be doing it every hour of every day naturally.

The thing about reverse time travel is more along the lines of light cones. The present is set in stone. It simply is (for a very short time) absolutely static. The further from the present we get, the more options the future holds. The more options we've got, the bigger the cone gets. Assume the past is as mutable as the future. Now you've got unknown and fluidity in BOTH directions. Yesterday is tomorrow as well.

Even if someone were to Time Travel HG Wells style into the heart of London and announce with the leather goggles and Victorian mustache that they had done it, there would be no reliable way for them to get back to the Victorian age they had left because he was no longer in it then. It would be a different past with a whole slew of different choices when he went back, hence it would be as though he never left.

Also consider cost effectiveness. Perhaps time travel is dead easy but really expensive like rocketry. Any moron can go to the moon with enough money to pay the engineers. All the ground work is set and we've done it many times already and it's not like you'll need to look far to find volunteers to join your project.

The problem is it requires sums of money unheard of even among most of America's super elite aristocracy. If Fort Knox's entire gold reserve at the peak of it's size were somehow on the Moon and all you had to do was fly up there and get that gold in nice, easy to carry bars and take it back home, you'd lose money on every trip. Time travel might indeed be happening in very small, very controlled ways, but if it was prohibitively expensive to send back people it might go undetected.
 
2012-01-09 10:20:05 PM
SoCalSurfer: What happens when Stephen Hawking dies?
The Windows Shutdown sound plays.

What did Stephen Hawking say when his computer crashed?
Nothing.

When he dies, can you imagine Stephen Hawking in front of the stairway to heaven going: "fark..."

I'm Stephen Hawking, and I'm a PC.

A thought. If I enter Stephen Hawking against his will, am I a rapist or a hacker?


Let's put another 20 seconds on the clock
 
2012-01-09 10:33:59 PM
Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl


Worse than five?

Worse than Nemesis?
 
2012-01-09 10:43:48 PM
Garbonzo42: Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl

Worse than five?

Worse than Nemesis?


No and not worse than Generations.
 
2012-01-09 10:53:30 PM
MaxxLarge: Pffft.

According to the most reliable, accepted models of quantum theory, you'd never have any guarantee that the timeline you returned to after looking at tomorrow's lottery numbers would produce the same eventual number draw. In fact, according to most projections, you'd actually REDUCE your chances. The odds would go up from from fixed odds of about one in 200,000,000, to one in a doubled measure of infinity. This, since you left one timeline and created another to go forward, and then subsequently left THAT one to create yet a third upon your "return" to the past/present. You'd then resume forward-linear time/space motion upon any of an infinity (X2) of split diversions from the initial departure singularity, which statistically speaking, has a for all intents and purposes zero practical chance of producing the desired outcome!

Ugh...I think I need to go lie down for a minute.


Primer is not a "realizable, accepted" quantum theory. The closest to what you describe, the Many Worlds interpretation, doesn't involve creating new worlds at all.

The common sci-fi trope of alternate realities invoked by time travel are as likely as the possibility of you creating a new x-axis the next time you turn left.
 
2012-01-09 11:08:00 PM
MaxxLarge: Pffft.

According to the most reliable, accepted models of quantum theory, you'd never have any guarantee that the timeline you returned to after looking at tomorrow's lottery numbers would produce the same eventual number draw. In fact, according to most projections, you'd actually REDUCE your chances. The odds would go up from from fixed odds of about one in 200,000,000, to one in a doubled measure of infinity. This, since you left one timeline and created another to go forward, and then subsequently left THAT one to create yet a third upon your "return" to the past/present. You'd then resume forward-linear time/space motion upon any of an infinity (X2) of split diversions from the initial departure singularity, which statistically speaking, has a for all intents and purposes zero practical chance of producing the desired outcome!

Ugh...I think I need to go lie down for a minute.


Yeah, no. Quantum physics collapses to classical physics at large (read: anything over a micron and a msecond for sure) scales and lottery numbers are determined by classical events, not quantum ones. Looking into a classically identical parallel universe that's two days ahead or whatever would have nowhere near that much deviation, the lotto numbers would be the same. The only classical changes would be that you picked the right numbers, unless you live next door to the mechanic that services the ball machines or something.
 
2012-01-09 11:09:13 PM
CruiserTwelve: Wait a minute... That response was written in 1995, and here it is appearing on Fark in 2012! How did he do that?

/he clearly has this time travel figured out
 
2012-01-09 11:14:45 PM
That guy is barely moving forward in time. Asking if he can go backward is a bit much.
 
2012-01-09 11:53:54 PM
I'd have been more impressed if Hawking had simply stated 'no', but dated his fax for the day after it was actually sent.
 
2012-01-09 11:55:30 PM
Mugato: Garbonzo42: Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl

Worse than five?

Worse than Nemesis?

No and not worse than Generations.


Who said the reference was a movie? Star Trek introduced "slingshot effect" time travel in the original TV series episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday", and reused the conceit in "Assignment: Earth" as though it had become a routine tool for historical research. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home was written in rough continuity with those episodes ("We've done it before") and was the third and last time Star Trek used the slingshot time-travel method. It was further mentioned in a throwaway line in a TNG episode aired a few years later.
 
2012-01-10 12:16:07 AM
dennysgod: This guy has the secret to time travel

[www.lolriot.com image 390x116]


The author and winner of that Cool Story Bro classified:

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/silveira125.html
 
2012-01-10 12:20:42 AM
DarnoKonrad: I wonder if "time" is total fiction to begin with. Like "color." Which is not a fundamental property of the universe but a biological mechanism our brains use to detect different wave lengths of light.

Probably from some perspective, given the holographic nature of space-time. I don't think anyone's worked that into a GUToE yet.

devine: "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."

Very deep; you should send that in to the Reader's Digest. They've got a page for people like you.
 
2012-01-10 12:32:40 AM
Boobies
 
2012-01-10 12:39:49 AM
"I told your mother last night....."
 
2012-01-10 12:40:36 AM
"Then again at breakfast."
 
2012-01-10 12:42:16 AM
abb3w: DarnoKonrad: I wonder if "time" is total fiction to begin with. Like "color." Which is not a fundamental property of the universe but a biological mechanism our brains use to detect different wave lengths of light.

Probably from some perspective, given the holographic nature of space-time. I don't think anyone's worked that into a GUToE yet.

devine: "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."

Very deep; you should send that in to the Reader's Digest. They've got a page for people like you.


Not familiar with Douglas Adams?
 
2012-01-10 12:44:55 AM
brigid_fitch: I read an interview years ago about how Hawking likes to bet but will never take a bet about the existence of time travel. His reasoning was that if time travel existed, his opponent may have already been to the future and knew the answer.

Seems like a 50/50 shot right now. Meaning that you have better odds on that than at any casino in Vegas and a hell of a lot better than the lottery.

I would take that bet.

/a time traveler could find easier ways of making money without being forced to reveal that he is a time traveler in order to collect.
 
2012-01-10 12:47:28 AM
You would not only have to deal with time, but space. Consider how fast our Earth orbits the Sun. Consider how fast the galaxy moves. Consider if the universe is moving outside of our movement within it? How many other universes is this universe in that are all moving?
 
2012-01-10 12:55:38 AM
Mugato: Garbonzo42: Peki: Everyone knows the secret of time travel - it's slingshotting around the sun.

/kudos if you get the reference, it was the worst of the series, but oddly enough my favorite as a little girl

Worse than five?

Worse than Nemesis?

No and not worse than Generations.


Well, we'll just agree to disagree then.
 
2012-01-10 01:08:54 AM
unyon: I'd have been more impressed if Hawking had simply stated 'no', but dated his fax for the day after it was actually sent.

Thank you for this fantastic post, good sir.
 
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