Darth_Lukecash: People just like throwing their money away, don't they?

Corporations aren't people.

RexTalionis: You know, I don't mind Scott Brown. He seems like a pretty moderate person. Of course, what between the Tea Party being pissed at him for being moderate and a lot of the Democrats going for Warren, I don't think he's got a snowball's chance in hell. But still, for the short time that he has been in office, he did pretty well.

Did what pretty well?

/Seriously... curious.

Even if he doesn't lose, the Dems still win.

If he loses to Warren, then the Dems come out on top there.

If he wins against Warren, the Dems still win because in order to win, he'll have to surge to the left and try and distance himself from the GOP and vote according to how his constituents demand...in which case, the Dems win again.

It's a no-lose scenario for the Dems, and a no-win scenario for the GOP.

This is not how our political system was supposed to work.

Also has sizzling daughters (new window).

Doesn't the Boston Herald know that when it loudly supports a candidate, the candidate becomes even more unpopular?

The Herald is written for and read by people who can barely read, and need Howie Carr to form their opinions for them.

This is a tremendous achievement, reflecting the widespread appeal of Senator Brown's independent voting record,

BAHAHA every vote where his vote actually counted he has voted with the GOP. Not one vote has voted against the GOP when his vote would of made a difference. Even for blocking DADT repeal, which he said he supported he tried to block because his vote would of let it go through.

The only time he doesn't vote with the GOP is when he already knows his vote will not count.

Infernalist: and a no-win scenario for the GOP.

True, but even a RINO is better than Warren.

RexTalionis: You know, I don't mind Scott Brown. He seems like a pretty moderate person.

He isn't. It's all BS to get him re-elected every vote he has made where he would be the 60th vote for a filibuster he has voted with the GOP. He only doesn't vote with the GOP when he knows it won't matter.

One good thing I like Scott Brown for: when the Republicans were trying to block the payroll tax cut in the Senate, Brown stood against them. He tried to argue to his more conservative colleagues that economic growth would pay for the tax cut.

It might be reaction to Elizabeth Warren gaining on him, but he could be a fairly moderate guy.

He seems OK to me. With that much cash available he will be tough to beat, short of the usual Republican scandal, which his state seems fine with anyway.

RexTalionis: You know, I don't mind Scott Brown. He seems like a pretty moderate person.

Here voted to block repeal of DADT like all senate Republicans even though he said he wanted it repealed:

WASHINGTON -- A major defense authorization bill carrying the repeal of the military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' law was blocked on Thursday by Senate Republicans and one Senate Democrat after negotiations between the parties failed. A number of moderate Republicans who said they supported a repeal, including Scott Brown (R-Mass.) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), voted to filibuster the measure. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) joined their efforts.

He only voted for it when it went to a majority vote and he knew it would pass no matter how he voted. He does this a lot. He sides with the Republicans when it counts but then pretends he is "independent" when his vote doesn't matter. It's a sham.

Why should we be cheering this asshole on, exactly?

RexTalionis: sinanju: RexTalionis: You know, I don't mind Scott Brown. He seems like a pretty moderate person. Of course, what between the Tea Party being pissed at him for being moderate and a lot of the Democrats going for Warren, I don't think he's got a snowball's chance in hell. But still, for the short time that he has been in office, he did pretty well.

Did what pretty well?

/Seriously... curious.

Representing the views and interests of his constituency. All things considered, he's got a pretty high approval rating in Massachusetts - prior to Elizabeth Warren joining the race, he had a 73% approval rating in MA.

Represented their views by doing what? Again, I'm not arguing against anything you're saying being true... but what did he actually do "pretty well". The already-mentioned DADT votes don't seem support the thesis.

RexTalionis: He voted in favor of repeal in the end, didn't he?

When he voted to filibuster DADT he voted against his constitutes and his own opinion.

The fact that he the voted for it just shows he a massive coward.

He is not independent, not at all. Which is why he has been so quiet, if he stays under the radar he has a shot because people will think he came through as being a moderate.

I hope Warren destroys him.

RexTalionis: Corvus: RexTalionis: You know, I don't mind Scott Brown. He seems like a pretty moderate person.

Here voted to block repeal of DADT like all senate Republicans even though he said he wanted it repealed:

WASHINGTON -- A major defense authorization bill carrying the repeal of the military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' law was blocked on Thursday by Senate Republicans and one Senate Democrat after negotiations between the parties failed. A number of moderate Republicans who said they supported a repeal, including Scott Brown (R-Mass.) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), voted to filibuster the measure. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) joined their efforts.

He only voted for it when it went to a majority vote and he knew it would pass no matter how he voted. He does this a lot. He sides with the Republicans when it counts but then pretends he is "independent" when his vote doesn't matter. It's a sham.

He voted in favor of repeal in the end, didn't he?

Yes, when he vote no longer mattered. Don't you see the point I am making?

He blocked it even though he ran on it's repeal when the GOP need all 60 votes. But then when his vote no longer matter because it went to a majority vote instead and Democrats could pass it by themselves, then he voted for it because his vote no longer mattered. He does this every time. The only time he ever votes against Republicans is when he vote no longer matters, the legislation would pass or not not counting his vote.. You could have replaced him in the Senate with the most conservative senator and not one thing would of changed in congress for the entire time he has been in there.

You get it?

When the GOP needs 60 votes to filibuster and they have 59, Brown always takes the GOP side. When a law will already pass or not and his vote will make no difference then is he the "moderate".

He only does it to pretend he is moderate. He isn't he sees if his vote counts and if it does he always votes with the GOP. That's not independent.

Mighty Taternuts: When he voted to filibuster DADT he voted against his constitutes and his own opinion.

The fact that he the voted for it just shows he a massive coward.

well when he then voted for it later he knew it would pass with or without his vote. Only during the filibuster that he tried to block DADT repeal did his vote actually matter. And on that he sided with the GOP like he always has when his vote is the deciding factor on a bill.

RexTalionis: He voted in favor of repeal in the end, didn't he?

Only when it didn't count and only to try and minimize the votes that can be thrown in his face when he faces the impossible task of going against Warren.

Moreover, in the current political atmosphere, anything done that keeps dragging out these votes, and wasting time not getting things done in Washington is a morally bankrupt and misplaced vote. If you actually don't believe in these things, then by all means, don't vote for them. If you are calculating every vote on a "sticking it to Obama" vs. "hurting re-election chances" continuum... then kindly go fark yourself and leave the governing to the adults.

Obligatory "buying the election" comment.

RexTalionis: Representing the views and interests of his constituency. All things considered, he's got a pretty high approval rating in Massachusetts - prior to Elizabeth Warren joining the race, he had a 73% approval rating in MA.

He even voted to filibuster a bill he co-sponsored because he was told by Republican leadership to do so. How the hell is that independent? (new window)

Jackson Herring: Man I sure do love our own version of the New York Post. Need something to wrap all of our delicious fresh-caught seafood in, might as well buy local

ew, if you want your cod to taste of shame, then i suppose...

"See? I actually do have opposable thumbs. Joke's on you. Stupid Libtard Fartbama Poopie Pants Vomit-turds!"
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MorrisBird: Does he still have a truck? This is important.

Do you want him to have a truck? Because he will totally have a truck if you want him to. He doesn't even care what the Republican party wants. If the voters want him to have a truck - by gum, a truck he will have.

Corvus: RexTalionis: Representing the views and interests of his constituency. All things considered, he's got a pretty high approval rating in Massachusetts - prior to Elizabeth Warren joining the race, he had a 73% approval rating in MA.

He even voted to filibuster a bill he co-sponsored because he was told by Republican leadership to do so. How the hell is that independent? (new window)

More info:

"The businesses at work here have the potential to create new industries and jobs for Massachusetts," said Senator Brown. "But these entrepreneurs need help converting their new ideas into jobs; that's why I continue to push for pro-growth policies and have filed targeted legislation to speed their success."

Makes total sense, and no doubt that's why Brown co-sponsored S. 493.

But then he filibustered it. WTF? Why would you filibuster a bill that you actually co-sponsored? Now, maybe there's a perfectly good reason, like some evil amendment got slipped in or something. If so, I'd love to hear about it.

Or maybe Scott Brown was doing what, sadly, he does a lot: following Mitch McConnell's lead when not too many people are watching. Sure, he likes the bill - that's why he co-sponsored it. But Mitch wants a filibuster? OK, he'll go along. Wouldn't want to annoy Mitch too much.

He even blocks his own bill when Republicans want him to. This is "independence"?

A toaster?

little known fact
Brown has always been embarrassed about his small thumbs, he's tried several times to have them enlarged surgically but without success. often times you can find him blowing on his thumb tips trying to make them expand like you see in popular cartoons. Only recently, has he been able to overcome this crippling if not debilitating conundrum. So, albeit reluctant, here's two thumbs up & best wishes in the coming election year!

RexTalionis: You know, you keep saying that while citing me. However, I never said he was independent. I said he seemed fairly moderate and seem to represent the interests and views of his constituency (hence his 73% approval rating in MA, at one point).

How is voting the same (when it counts) as the most conservative senator in the senate being a "moderate". You think Massachusetts was against the repeal of DADT?

You think think voting the same as the most conservative senator in the senate reflects Massachusetts?

RexTalionis: And frankly, he's a hell of a lot better than most of the rest of the Republican members of the Senate.

Well he has never voted against the rest of the GOP when his vote counted. So how can you see he is better when he has never done anything different when it would make a difference?

So you are saying you like him because he lies to you and pretends to be moderate even though his voting record shows this to be untrue? You like him lying to you?

RexTalionis: Corvus: RexTalionis: You know, you keep saying that while citing me. However, I never said he was independent. I said he seemed fairly moderate and seem to represent the interests and views of his constituency (hence his 73% approval rating in MA, at one point).

How is voting the same (when it counts) as the most conservative senator in the senate being a "moderate". You think Massachusetts was against the repeal of DADT?

You think think voting the same as the most conservative senator in the senate reflects Massachusetts?

And if the government only considers the single issue of DADT, that would be an effective argument.

He has done it every time. He even filibuster his own bill. I showed this to you too. You seem to be ignoring it.

Everytime where his vote matters he votes with the GOP. It's not just DADT but that is one of the worst examples because he said he was for it's repeal and then voted to block it because his vote actually mattered.

Corvus: How is voting the same (when it counts) as the most conservative senator in the senate being a "moderate".

Your logic is the same tired reasoning used to name both John Kerry and Barack Hussein Obama "most liberal senator" during their prospective runs for President.

Let us not forget that the only reason he voted against DADT repeal is because he was using the tax cuts as a hostage. He is a Republican, after all. He did end up voting for both cloture and the repeal after the tax cuts were passed.

Shaggy_C: Corvus: How is voting the same (when it counts) as the most conservative senator in the senate being a "moderate".

Your logic is the same tired reasoning used to name both John Kerry and Barack Hussein Obama "most liberal senator" during their prospective runs for President.

Let us not forget that the only reason he voted against DADT repeal is because he was using the tax cuts as a hostage. He is a Republican, after all. He did end up voting for both cloture and the repeal after the tax cuts were passed.

You mean he voted against it because the GOP leadership told him he had to? Wow that blow a hole in my theory that Brown votes based on whatever the GOP leadership tells him.

Oh wait no you are saying the exact same thing I am and pretending it's contradicting me.

RexTalionis: Whatever. As I said, this is my perception of his performance, which seems, to me, a lot better than most other Senate Republicans (and hell, better than my own senator's). However, it seems like you're pretty set on using your time to prove to me how wrong I am. Frankly, I don't feel like devoting the time and effort into arguing this because, quite simply, he's not my Senator and he doesn't impact me a hell of a whole lot. If you want to chalk this up as a win on the internet argument counter, feel free.

Like I said you like him because he fools you into thinking that he is moderate. You enjoy politicians that fool you because it makes you feel better about yourself believing they are moderate when they are just lying to you.

If you want to live that way go ahead. But I don't consider it a "waste of time" to look into things and base my opinion on politics on facts instead of their PR campaigns.

Corvus: You mean he voted against it because the GOP leadership told him he had to? Wow that blow a hole in my theory that Brown votes based on whatever the GOP leadership tells him.

Oh wait no you are saying the exact same thing I am and pretending it's contradicting me.

They were still against it after the tax cut vote, fool. Why else were they still filibustering?