FARK.com: (6868059) Early polling rumors indicate that Romney will take first place in New Hampshire, and second place will go to RON PA--sorry, wait, it will go to...Jon Huntsman. Who?

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		Early polling rumors indicate that Romney will take first place in New Hampshire, and second place will go to RON PA--sorry, wait, it will go to...Jon Huntsman. Who? (talkingpointsmemo.com)		96
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coco ebert		2012-01-09 03:57:37 PM

Jon Huntsman's failure to garner more support is the reason it's hard for me to take Republicans seriously. He's very conservative, articulate, intelligent, has led a state as governor, has foreign policy bona fides, etc. If I were conservative I'd probably vote for him.

GAT_00		2012-01-09 04:05:44 PM

Beerguy		2012-01-09 04:11:23 PM

Pocket Ninja		2012-01-09 04:15:28 PM

Huntsman is a coward more scared of the word "moderate" than Santorum is of Google. If had the balls to actually distinguish himself as such, instead of running like a shrieking girl from the association every time somebody says it in his near vicinity, he might have been a little more surprised at what slinked out of the woodwork to support him. Instead he wants to hunch down into the same swamp his opponents have been bathing in and then act surprised that the scum inhabiting it know he's not their kind of filth.

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-01-09 04:15:32 PM

A conservative buddy of mine got one of those "Who should you vote for?" fwd:fwd:fwd: etc. quiz emails. When he answered the questions, it came back that his best choice was Huntsman.

/Who's Huntsman?, he asked me
//[facepalm.jpg]

Walker		2012-01-09 04:17:39 PM

coco ebert: Jon Huntsman's failure to garner more support is the reason it's hard for me to take Republicans seriously. He's very conservative, articulate, intelligent, has led a state as governor, has foreign policy bona fides, etc. If I were conservative I'd probably vote for him.

Reasons they won't vote for him, just from a quick look at Wikipedia:

Strike 1: He's Mormon
Strike 2: In 2007, when asked about a healthcare mandate, Huntsman said, "I'm comfortable with a requirement"
Strike 3: He also supported an increase in the federal minimum wage.
Strike 4: In 2005, Huntsman signed a bill giving illegal aliens access to "driving-privilege cards", which allowed them to have driving privileges
Strikes 5 and 6: Huntsman the governor backed bills providing civil rights protections to gays and lesbians, and threatened to veto a measure repealing in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants.
Strikes 7 and 8: Huntsman warned that the Republicans should not become the "anti-science" party, and stated: "To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy."

You're crazy, and you're out! At least to most in the GOP.

make me some tea		2012-01-09 04:21:39 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: A conservative buddy of mine got one of those "Who should you vote for?" fwd:fwd:fwd: etc. quiz emails. When he answered the questions, it came back that his best choice was Huntsman.

/Who's Huntsman?, he asked me
//[facepalm.jpg]

lol

Grand_Moff_Joseph		2012-01-09 04:31:53 PM

As much as I hate Romney and his flip-flopping, if all Huntsman and others can succeed in doing is torpedo Frothy and Tin-foil Paul, then that's at least a silver lining of sorts.

MaxxLarge		2012-01-09 04:49:49 PM

It's about f**king time. Huntsman is smart, sensible, seasoned, and an experienced statesman, I'd still never vote for Huntsman in an open race against a similarly-qualified Democrat, but honestly...The fact that he's actually doing well for once? It gives me a little hope that the ENTIRE Republican party hasn't given itself over to the hate-filled lunatic fringe.

Plus, let's not forget what's REALLY important, here: His daughters are smoking hot.

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what_now		2012-01-09 05:07:09 PM

HUntsman is running for president in 2016.

I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be playing the long game against Huntsman. In four years, he's going to have a machine behind him.

Darth_Lukecash		2012-01-09 05:09:31 PM

The problem is that Huntsman HAS to win NH to even stay in the race. second isn't good enough. Iowa is a good fundraiser an place to hone your message.

brigid_fitch		2012-01-09 05:20:15 PM

what_now: HUntsman is running for president in 2016.

I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be playing the long game against Huntsman. In four years, he's going to have a machine behind him.

It'll be interesting to see what the GOP has become by 2016. Will they lick their wounds and finally say, "You know what? We've been fighting this war all wrong" or turn the derp past 11? It's a tough call.

Regardless, I'd love to see a Huntsman/Christie debate in a few years.

Osomatic		2012-01-09 05:24:16 PM

MaxxLarge: It's about f**king time. Huntsman is smart, sensible, seasoned, and an experienced statesman, I'd still never vote for Huntsman in an open race against a similarly-qualified Democrat, but honestly...The fact that he's actually doing well for once? It gives me a little hope that the ENTIRE Republican party hasn't given itself over to the hate-filled lunatic fringe.

Plus, let's not forget what's REALLY important, here: His daughters are smoking hot.

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My god. We must elect this man immediately.

Rapmaster2000		2012-01-09 05:40:59 PM

I went to high school with a guy named Jon Kuntsman.

sprawl15		2012-01-09 05:41:12 PM

Maud Dib		2012-01-09 05:42:26 PM

And meanwhile, Perry is Tailend Charlie in NH polls.

"oops".

Emposter		2012-01-09 05:43:41 PM

Headlines tomorrow: Romney wins with massive lead of over 25%

Romney: 37.8%
Santorum: 11%
Gingrich: 9.7%
Perry: 1%

someonelse		2012-01-09 05:44:12 PM

what_now: I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

I wonder if such behavior will be considered a plus by the GOP in 2016, because it certainly isn't now.

Donnchadha		2012-01-09 05:45:29 PM

Who really cares anymore? It might be brokered, but it'll be Romney at the end of the day. He's the least likely to be a total embarrassment.

In the mean time, let's get back to the important issues -- Jon Huntsman's daughters!

AntiNerd		2012-01-09 05:45:35 PM

GAT_00: He's relatively sane. Of course he's doing badly in a modern Republican primary.

I came here to say this.

However what I think we are seeing is that all the other contenders are so batsheet insane that he might be getting support from hidden power brokers and average voters just simply because the alternatives are all so horrific.

tlchwi02		2012-01-09 05:46:23 PM

Pocket Ninja: Huntsman is a coward more scared of the word "moderate" than Santorum is of Google. If had the balls to actually distinguish himself as such, instead of running like a shrieking girl from the association every time somebody says it in his near vicinity, he might have been a little more surprised at what slinked out of the woodwork to support him. Instead he wants to hunch down into the same swamp his opponents have been bathing in and then act surprised that the scum inhabiting it know he's not their kind of filth.

i don't know as how he really is a moderate though? I think he's just using a definition of conservative that would have been more recognisable 20 or even 30 years ago.

He is after all the only man who whole heartedly embraced the ryan tax plan. that is not a fiscally moderate stance

Algebrat		2012-01-09 05:47:25 PM

Early polling rumors? It's like the day before the vote.

Geotpf		2012-01-09 05:48:04 PM

Pocket Ninja: Huntsman is a coward more scared of the word "moderate" than Santorum is of Google. If had the balls to actually distinguish himself as such, instead of running like a shrieking girl from the association every time somebody says it in his near vicinity, he might have been a little more surprised at what slinked out of the woodwork to support him. Instead he wants to hunch down into the same swamp his opponents have been bathing in and then act surprised that the scum inhabiting it know he's not their kind of filth.

But he's not a moderate. He is at least as conservative, probably more so, on economic issues than the rest of the field, and a typical conservative on social issues (my understanding is that he hates gays less than Santorum, but is just as pro-life). He just doesn't live on Planet Derp in the Drooling Moron Galaxy like the rest of the Republican field, which makes everybody think he's a "moderate".

Infernalist		2012-01-09 05:49:30 PM

someonelse: what_now: I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

I wonder if such behavior will be considered a plus by the GOP in 2016, because it certainly isn't now.

He's betting it will be.

As for whether or not it'll pay dividends in 2016 depends solely upon who has control of the GOP after 2012.

If it's the crazies, then no. He'll be a pariah for daring to seem reasonable and rational with the Dems.

if it's the establishment GOP again, then he'll have a chance to run with some credentials.

Close2TheEdge		2012-01-09 05:49:36 PM

Who cares? Even if he does pull 2nd place, he'll be lucky to place behind Mr. Ed in South Carolina and Florida. Romney is it unless Teabaggers go full retard in the South and throw away their votes to Frothy. The race is all but over.

liverleef		2012-01-09 05:50:16 PM

I really like Huntsman. I believe him to be the only candidate capable of factual analysis. He also comes across as the most honest and trustworthy by a wide margin. As others have said he is the only candidate that could actually beat Obama. I find it so odd that electability isn't a bigger factor.

A Dark Evil Omen		2012-01-09 05:50:43 PM

Geotpf: Pocket Ninja: Huntsman is a coward more scared of the word "moderate" than Santorum is of Google. If had the balls to actually distinguish himself as such, instead of running like a shrieking girl from the association every time somebody says it in his near vicinity, he might have been a little more surprised at what slinked out of the woodwork to support him. Instead he wants to hunch down into the same swamp his opponents have been bathing in and then act surprised that the scum inhabiting it know he's not their kind of filth.

But he's not a moderate. He is at least as conservative, probably more so, on economic issues than the rest of the field, and a typical conservative on social issues (my understanding is that he hates gays less than Santorum, but is just as pro-life). He just doesn't live on Planet Derp in the Drooling Moron Galaxy like the rest of the Republican field, which makes everybody think he's a "moderate".

Yeah, this is how we get this monotonous rightward march. Insane bullshiat makes the guy who looked like a far-right extremist last year look reasonable, the Overton window shifts in his direction, repeat until dead.

Liberals need to start rallying around the far left. I'd like to see the game played in the opposite direction.

sprawl15		2012-01-09 05:51:23 PM

Geotpf: and a typical conservative on social issues (my understanding is that he hates gays less than Santorum, but is just as pro-life)

Yup. He supports a "right-to-life amendment" to the Constitution, outlawing abortion. He doesn't support any federal laws that enable gay marriage, punting a 'civil unions' question back to the states.

whidbey		2012-01-09 05:52:36 PM

Well I suppose the plus side is that people are finally starting to express their voting opinion that RON PAUL is an extremist who has no place being elected to the Presidency.

TyrantII		2012-01-09 05:53:58 PM

GAT_00: coco ebert: Jon Huntsman's failure to garner more support is the reason it's hard for me to take Republicans seriously. He's very conservative, articulate, intelligent, has led a state as governor, has foreign policy bona fides, etc. If I were conservative I'd probably vote for him.

He's relatively sane. Of course he's doing badly in a modern Republican primary.

Don't forget he worked for a commie socialist black guy.

Honestly, I'd like to believe the GOP in NH is still sane, but I think they like the fact that Romney trolled MA as governor and are probably still hot for that. They love to do anything that flips off the state where most of them work.

qorkfiend		2012-01-09 05:54:46 PM

brigid_fitch: what_now: HUntsman is running for president in 2016.

I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be playing the long game against Huntsman. In four years, he's going to have a machine behind him.

It'll be interesting to see what the GOP has become by 2016. Will they lick their wounds and finally say, "You know what? We've been fighting this war all wrong" or turn the derp past 11? It's a tough call.

Regardless, I'd love to see a Huntsman/Christie debate in a few years.

The Democratic primary will be equally entertaining. We can safely predict most of the 2016 GOP primary field - it will probably be wide open and attract many of the national figures who passed this year - but the Democratic primary will be relative unknowns, and I think Biden would face a significant primary challenge even if he decided to run (he'll be 74 in 2016).

what_now: I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

If he does that, and does it well (and the GOP is still full of lunatics), he will probably be well-positioned to launch a serious third-party bid.

Corvus		2012-01-09 05:56:18 PM

whidbey		2012-01-09 05:56:28 PM

qorkfiend: brigid_fitch: what_now: HUntsman is running for president in 2016.

I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be playing the long game against Huntsman. In four years, he's going to have a machine behind him.

It'll be interesting to see what the GOP has become by 2016. Will they lick their wounds and finally say, "You know what? We've been fighting this war all wrong" or turn the derp past 11? It's a tough call.

Regardless, I'd love to see a Huntsman/Christie debate in a few years.

The Democratic primary will be equally entertaining. We can safely predict most of the 2016 GOP primary field - it will probably be wide open and attract many of the national figures who passed this year - but the Democratic primary will be relative unknowns, and I think Biden would face a significant primary challenge even if he decided to run (he'll be 74 in 2016).

what_now: I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

If he does that, and does it well (and the GOP is still full of lunatics), he will probably be well-positioned to launch a serious third-party bid.

"serious third-party bid" being one of those oxymorons like "jumbo shrimp" and "military intelligence."

Corvus		2012-01-09 05:57:37 PM

I got a good campaign slogan:

Jon Huntsman: Just really wrong, but not crazy!

Geotpf		2012-01-09 05:59:47 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Geotpf: Pocket Ninja: Huntsman is a coward more scared of the word "moderate" than Santorum is of Google. If had the balls to actually distinguish himself as such, instead of running like a shrieking girl from the association every time somebody says it in his near vicinity, he might have been a little more surprised at what slinked out of the woodwork to support him. Instead he wants to hunch down into the same swamp his opponents have been bathing in and then act surprised that the scum inhabiting it know he's not their kind of filth.

But he's not a moderate. He is at least as conservative, probably more so, on economic issues than the rest of the field, and a typical conservative on social issues (my understanding is that he hates gays less than Santorum, but is just as pro-life). He just doesn't live on Planet Derp in the Drooling Moron Galaxy like the rest of the Republican field, which makes everybody think he's a "moderate".

Yeah, this is how we get this monotonous rightward march. Insane bullshiat makes the guy who looked like a far-right extremist last year look reasonable, the Overton window shifts in his direction, repeat until dead.

Liberals need to start rallying around the far left. I'd like to see the game played in the opposite direction.

It doesn't work the other way, because the far left insists that "both parties are the same" and then goes and votes for Ralph Farking Nader, while the far right stays within the Republican Party.

So, the far right pushes the Republicans to the right, and the Democrats move to the right to fill the gap in the center (since the far left hates their guts anyways). So, duh, all of government moves rightward. If the lefties would work within the Democratic Party instead of cursing it, this wouldn't happen. But, nooooooooo...

odinsposse		2012-01-09 06:01:53 PM

someonelse: what_now: I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

I wonder if such behavior will be considered a plus by the GOP in 2016, because it certainly isn't now.

Being familiar seems like it is a really big deal in the GOP nomination. Nixon was VP before he was president. Reagan made a failed primary run before he was nominated. H.W. Bush was VP. Dole made a failed primary run before he was nominated. Bob Dole made a failed primary run before he was nominated. McCain made a failed primary run before he was nominated. Romeny made a failed primary run and is probably going to be nominated. W. Bush is the only exception but he had a famous last name. Ford doesn't count.

It's almost a guarantee that the nominee for 2016 will be somebody who ran before. Huntsman is the only one with a chance. Maybe Huckabee if he felt like it, which it doesn't seem like he does. The others are crazies with little chance to draw outside of the base.

Close2TheEdge		2012-01-09 06:02:33 PM

qorkfiend: brigid_fitch: what_now: HUntsman is running for president in 2016.

If he does that, and does it well (and the GOP is still full of lunatics), he will probably be well-positioned to launch a serious third-party bid.

I don't get this fascination Farkers have with supposed 3rd party runs. Do you really think that Huntsman wants to burn his bridges in the GOP for a 3rd party run that has ZERO chance of being a success? Campaigns cost money. Corporate and PAC money, none of which is going to go to John farking Huntsman if he decides to run as an Independent. And then he immediately dooms himself with the party establishment, which despite his protests to the contrary, he would go back to in an instant if he thought it made a difference.

Jesus, people can be so delusional.

qorkfiend		2012-01-09 06:02:48 PM

whidbey: qorkfiend: brigid_fitch: what_now: HUntsman is running for president in 2016.

I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be playing the long game against Huntsman. In four years, he's going to have a machine behind him.

It'll be interesting to see what the GOP has become by 2016. Will they lick their wounds and finally say, "You know what? We've been fighting this war all wrong" or turn the derp past 11? It's a tough call.

Regardless, I'd love to see a Huntsman/Christie debate in a few years.

The Democratic primary will be equally entertaining. We can safely predict most of the 2016 GOP primary field - it will probably be wide open and attract many of the national figures who passed this year - but the Democratic primary will be relative unknowns, and I think Biden would face a significant primary challenge even if he decided to run (he'll be 74 in 2016).

what_now: I expect him to finish well in NH, drop out of the race after South Carolina, and spend the next four years being reasonable.

If he does that, and does it well (and the GOP is still full of lunatics), he will probably be well-positioned to launch a serious third-party bid.

"serious third-party bid" being one of those oxymorons like "jumbo shrimp" and "military intelligence."

Well, he'd be serious about it. And say what you want about Ross Perot, but his presidential campaign was pretty serious. Maybe not as effective as he hoped, but serious nonetheless.

BilltheThrill		2012-01-09 06:03:50 PM

Brian Schweitzer 2016

BarbadoSlim		2012-01-09 06:05:34 PM

And just like that Mr. Frothy becomes a footnote.A

colon_pow		2012-01-09 06:05:57 PM

get your google-bombs ready if he takes over first place.

you sordid soldiers of scum.

whidbey		2012-01-09 06:06:15 PM

qorkfiend: "serious third-party bid" being one of those oxymorons like "jumbo shrimp" and "military intelligence."

Well, he'd be serious about it. And say what you want about Ross Perot, but his presidential campaign was pretty serious. Maybe not as effective as he hoped, but serious nonetheless

Ross Perot's campaign was "serious" because he had about 60 million bucks of his own money, for starters.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face		2012-01-09 06:06:58 PM

what_now: If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be playing the long game against Huntsman. In four years, he's going to have a machine behind him.

Throw in Christie and maybe even Jindal and Rubio and 2016 could be just as fun as this clown car ride.

whidbey		2012-01-09 06:07:38 PM

colon_pow: get your google-bombs ready if he takes over first place.

you sordid soldiers of scum.

Hey am I on your "Soldiers of Satan" list yet?

/ohplsohplsohpls

qorkfiend		2012-01-09 06:07:55 PM

Close2TheEdge: qorkfiend: brigid_fitch: what_now: HUntsman is running for president in 2016.

If he does that, and does it well (and the GOP is still full of lunatics), he will probably be well-positioned to launch a serious third-party bid.

I don't get this fascination Farkers have with supposed 3rd party runs. Do you really think that Huntsman wants to burn his bridges in the GOP for a 3rd party run that has ZERO chance of being a success? Campaigns cost money. Corporate and PAC money, none of which is going to go to John farking Huntsman if he decides to run as an Independent. And then he immediately dooms himself with the party establishment, which despite his protests to the contrary, he would go back to in an instant if he thought it made a difference.

Jesus, people can be so delusional.

I didn't say I wanted it to happen (thought it would be fascinating if it did); I said I think it could happen given current trends. If the electorate continues to become polarized, if the extreme dissatisfaction with both established parties continues its current trend, if the GOP continues to be insane, it could open up the middle to someone who is 1) an established politician, a) not beholden to either national party and i) can articulate a relatively clear agenda.

henryhill		2012-01-09 06:07:58 PM

m3000		2012-01-09 06:08:06 PM

My tea party mom who is now going for Santorum (as Bachman dropped out) also had no clue who Huntsman was when I watched the debates with her on Saturday. No clue at all.

Of course when I said he used to be an ambassador for Obama, she immediately disliked him and almost seemed to think he was some kind of trick planned by Obama.

Of course in her mind she actually does think Obama is a Muslim socialist hell bent on destroying America, so anything could be plausible to her.

/csb
//my friends often wonder how I am so different than my parents

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Mrtraveler01		2012-01-09 06:08:10 PM

colon_pow: get your google-bombs ready if he takes over first place.

you sordid soldiers of scum.

Why?

It's not like Huntsman is a piece of vile human trash compared to Frothy.

Corvus		2012-01-09 06:08:49 PM

Geotpf: So, the far right pushes the Republicans to the right, and the Democrats move to the right to fill the gap in the center (since the far left hates their guts anyways). So, duh, all of government moves rightward. If the lefties would work within the Democratic Party instead of cursing it, this wouldn't happen. But, nooooooooo...

Exactly. You don't like what going on in the Democratic party, get more involved. When more people from the left are involved with the Democrats then it will be able to move it to the left. But many on the left are "What?!? they don't do 100% of what I want? F them!" and that doesn't help anyone. It makes a weaker Democratic party and pushes it to the right.

whidbey		2012-01-09 06:14:25 PM

Mrtraveler01: colon_pow: get your google-bombs ready if he takes over first place.

you sordid soldiers of scum.

Why?

It's not like Huntsman is a piece of vile human trash compared to Frothy.

Actually he's looking more and more like Reagan 3.0, which I'd think would send Tea Partiers into fits of frothing even more...

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