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(Orlando Sentinel)   Cops arrest a 25-year-old for writing, 'Justice Equals Liberty' on a sidewalk. In chalk. "Obviously, he had to be stopped"   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 100
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2012-01-09 04:52:01 PM
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What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
 
2012-01-09 04:53:01 PM
So you're objecting to selective policing?

It's been done before, it's being done now, it'll be done in the future. It's not just in America - it's just a part of human nature for people in authority to be an ass every now and then.
 
2012-01-09 04:53:31 PM
Silly human chalk isn't free speech.

Money is free speech.
 
2012-01-09 04:55:35 PM
Silly human chalkwriting isn't free speech.

Money is free speech.

/FTFM
 
2012-01-09 04:57:43 PM

T. Dawg: I hear chalk on a sidewalk is like 1,000x more corrosive than painter's tape on granite..


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-01-09 04:59:47 PM

miss diminutive: Was it written in coloured chalk?


I don't know where you're from, but in America, we spell that "African-American".
 
2012-01-09 05:00:30 PM
Harassment campaigns are standard police tactics to shut down people they don't like. If you think this is bad, here's what's happening in Oakland


T. Dawg
I hear chalk on a sidewalk is like 1,000x more corrosive than painter's tape on granite..

Oh man I didn't even know it was possible to do $7 billion in damages to a sidewalk.
 
2012-01-09 05:00:34 PM
Florida still earns its stripes as the state desperately deserving it's tag.
 
2012-01-09 05:01:37 PM
So every student that has used chalk to write stuff on the walkways of the University of Central Florida will have to be locked up?
 
2012-01-09 05:03:45 PM
Well, my kids are really freakin' cute when they write on the sidewalk in chalk. Is this guy really freakin' cute??

/no homo
//NTTAWWT
 
2012-01-09 05:06:59 PM
So, in the least destructive way imaginable, this man wrote on the sidewalk in protest against totalitarian corporatism, and they arrested him for an offense that they have never prosecuted in this way before, proving that he's right. Nice job, guys.
 
2012-01-09 05:09:06 PM
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Isen't it sad?
 
2012-01-09 05:13:39 PM
Strictly speaking, of course, it is the law, and the city is well within its rights to arrest this dangerous vandal and prosecute him to the fullest extent. (About 30 days in jail or a $500 fine, probably)

It's one of those "dust off the law" b/s maneuvers cities use to harass bothersome nuisances when they're really not doing anything wrong. New York did something similar when those deadly "raves" started killing thousands of kids a few years back and there weren't any real regulations to stop them. They dug out some old laws from Prohibition, which had been aimed at shutting down speakeasies, that forbade people from dancing in clubs which lacked a cabaret license. This gave the cops a quickie way to shut down illegal raves; it also meant--and still means to this day unless NYC has rescinded the laws--that just about every bar in New York has a sign posted somewhere that says "NO DANCING" and those laws ARE being enforced if the local cop or ABC inspector feels like being a dick.

This is the same thing. It was meant, no doubt many years ago, to stop people from painting ads all over the place which used to be done; you can still see ancient signs painted on walls and even rocks in Western towns. But "technically" it applies to anything, so here we go. And sure, if the old lady next door wants to stop your kids from chalking on the sidewalk, she can, and now the local beat cop can't tell her to dust out her vagina any more. Fun, huh?
 
2012-01-09 05:25:05 PM

miss diminutive: Was it written in coloured chalk? Because that stuff was forged by Lucifer himself.


We call it "chalk of color" now, you horrid racist.

/and rampant antiluciferianist too, I'll wager
 
2012-01-09 05:33:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: This is the same thing. It was meant, no doubt many years ago, to stop people from painting ads all over the place which used to be done; you can still see ancient signs painted on walls and even rocks in Western towns. But "technically" it applies to anything, so here we go. And sure, if the old lady next door wants to stop your kids from chalking on the sidewalk, she can, and now the local beat cop can't tell her to dust out her vagina any more. Fun, huh?


plus it would get pretty damn unsightly if people started drawing penises going into cartoon faces and asses everywhere so let's just not draw on sidewalks and protest like adults, shall we?
 
2012-01-09 05:45:14 PM
This is illegal? At my old university it was not only allowed, but encouraged. Hell, we had veritable frescoes of chalk drawings along our campus.
 
2012-01-09 05:46:12 PM

skullkrusher: Gyrfalcon: This is the same thing. It was meant, no doubt many years ago, to stop people from painting ads all over the place which used to be done; you can still see ancient signs painted on walls and even rocks in Western towns. But "technically" it applies to anything, so here we go. And sure, if the old lady next door wants to stop your kids from chalking on the sidewalk, she can, and now the local beat cop can't tell her to dust out her vagina any more. Fun, huh?

plus it would get pretty damn unsightly if people started drawing penises going into cartoon faces and asses everywhere so let's just not draw on sidewalks and protest like adults, shall we?


sidewalkscribbl.es
 
2012-01-09 05:48:13 PM

redmid17: skullkrusher: Gyrfalcon: This is the same thing. It was meant, no doubt many years ago, to stop people from painting ads all over the place which used to be done; you can still see ancient signs painted on walls and even rocks in Western towns. But "technically" it applies to anything, so here we go. And sure, if the old lady next door wants to stop your kids from chalking on the sidewalk, she can, and now the local beat cop can't tell her to dust out her vagina any more. Fun, huh?

plus it would get pretty damn unsightly if people started drawing penises going into cartoon faces and asses everywhere so let's just not draw on sidewalks and protest like adults, shall we?

[sidewalkscribbl.es image 640x279]


hehe nice
 
2012-01-09 06:08:51 PM
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2012-01-09 06:13:06 PM

royone: miss diminutive: Was it written in coloured chalk?

I don't know where you're from, but in America, we spell that "African-American".


That doesn't make sense. You don't call them African-American greens, do you?
 
2012-01-09 06:27:43 PM

treesloth: royone: miss diminutive: Was it written in coloured chalk?

I don't know where you're from, but in America, we spell that "African-American".

That doesn't make sense. You don't call them African-American greens, do you?


No, we call those collard greens ;)
 
2012-01-09 06:28:56 PM
It's too bad the headline couldn't have been written like the article.

One sentence at a time.

Cops arrest a 25-year-old for writing, 'Justice Equals Liberty' on a sidewalk.

In chalk.

"Obviously, he had to be stopped"
 
2012-01-09 06:39:14 PM

Gyrfalcon: Strictly speaking, of course, it is the law, and the city is well within its rights to arrest this dangerous vandal and prosecute him to the fullest extent. (About 30 days in jail or a $500 fine, probably)


I'm curious. If someone is sentenced to 30 days in jail and a $500 fine, and they don't have the $500, what happens? They keep the guy in jail until he has $500, which he'll never have because he's in jail?

I realize that most people probably already know, but I don't.
 
2012-01-09 06:51:28 PM

Theaetetus: [media.trb.com image 600x397]
Demonstrator James Hill said the group had been writing slogans on the sidewalk, such as "We are the 99 percent" and "Justice equals liberty" for most of the afternoon.

According to a police report, officers gave Osmar a warning but he continued to write on the sidewalk. The report shows that officers contacted the department's legal adviser and were told that an arrest for writing on the sidewalk with chalk was lawful.

Hill said officers arrested Osmar as he drew the down stroke on the letter "v" in revolution. Moments earlier, Osmar had written, "This is not graffiti. It's democracy," Hill said.

It's an interesting question... City's wrong, but do you appeal it up to our current SCOTUS?


I don't think the city is as wrong as you think they are. They guy monopolized the entire plaza sidewalk with his scribbling. Calling it "speech" doesn't give you carte blanche to write as much as you want wherever you want.
 
2012-01-09 06:55:26 PM
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Mayor Buddy Dyer?
 
2012-01-09 06:56:08 PM

bastian_74: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 640x425]

Isen't it sad?


You misspelled the misspelling.

Look how stupid you are.
 
2012-01-09 07:03:03 PM
Well of course. He was part of a movement that challenges this country's corporate masters, he had to be stopped.
 
2012-01-09 07:08:34 PM
Freedom of Speech. Clearly covers this, now if he was using spray paint it would be a different story.
 
2012-01-09 07:20:35 PM
Another thing: What the hell is it with throwing people in jail for things like "illegally drawing on the sidewalk with chalk?" Now, the city law states that people cannot write advertisements on the city sidewalks, which is perfectly reasonable. But let's say the cops really caught some jerk writing "Eat at Joe's Pizza on 10th St." Would throwing him in jail really be appropriate? At worst, can't you just give people a fine for absolute petty bullshiat like this? Like a parking ticket? When as a society did it become acceptable to use jail for every minor incident? What's next, putting people in jail for jaywalking?
 
2012-01-09 07:23:09 PM
O say. Does that star spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free?

My guess is no.
 
2012-01-09 08:08:29 PM

skullkrusher: Gyrfalcon: This is the same thing. It was meant, no doubt many years ago, to stop people from painting ads all over the place which used to be done; you can still see ancient signs painted on walls and even rocks in Western towns. But "technically" it applies to anything, so here we go. And sure, if the old lady next door wants to stop your kids from chalking on the sidewalk, she can, and now the local beat cop can't tell her to dust out her vagina any more. Fun, huh?

plus it would get pretty damn unsightly if people started drawing penises going into cartoon faces and asses everywhere so let's just not draw on sidewalks and protest like adults, shall we?


Throwing eggs and shoes and carrying misspelled signs all over the place? Hard to be sure which is worse.
 
2012-01-09 08:18:20 PM
He didn't get arrested because he wrote on the ground in chalk, he got arrested because he wrote a pro-OWS on the ground in chalk.

And the judge is gonna tell the arresting officer to piss up a rope.

/surprised Dick Scott and the FL GOP has not yet tried to pass a law specifically criminalizing the Occupy movement, but carefully worded so as not to run afowl of that pesky "No Bills Of Attainder" clause in the US Constitution
 
2012-01-09 08:51:49 PM

Need_MindBleach: What's next, putting people in jail for jaywalking?


Harvest organs from felons. Make jaywalking a felony.

/Heck with that -- make texting while driving a felony.
 
2012-01-09 09:02:48 PM
Need_MindBleach,Another thing: What the hell is it with throwing people in jail for things like "illegally drawing on the sidewalk with chalk?" Now, the city law states that people cannot write advertisements on the city sidewalks, which is perfectly reasonable. But let's say the cops really caught some jerk writing "Eat at Joe's Pizza on 10th St." Would throwing him in jail really be appropriate? At worst, can't you just give people a fine for absolute petty bullshiat like this? Like a parking ticket? When as a society did it become acceptable to use jail for every minor incident? What's next, putting people in jail for jaywalking?

Some states will arrest you for just public intox, or exceeding the speed limit X past the posted limit. I guess conviction rates work better that way.

Some states seem to be going in the complete opposite direction, letting low level crimes just be a ticket.
 
2012-01-09 09:11:31 PM
as a kid, i think 6th grade, we got caught writing on the school with sidewalk chalk.

of course we were writing stuff along the lines of; fark off, eat dick pole smoking pig, and fark all pigs.
had to clean it off.
/parents thought it would be a good idea to have us clean it off with tooth brushes and brillo pads... didn't work out as they planned.
//think of it like reverse vandalism. our messages remained in the ultra cleaned areas. a nice misty rain or fog made the messages appear again for a year or so after.
 
2012-01-09 09:30:02 PM

rebelyell2006: [upload.wikimedia.org image 550x364]
Mayor Buddy Dyer?



My first thought as well. My second thought was "I bet it's harder to clean brains off a wall than some chalk off a sidewalk."
 
2012-01-09 09:31:49 PM
Still illegal in Florida: Living in sin.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-08-31/news/fl-adultery-repeal-b i ll-20110829_1_unmarried-couples-cohabitation-adultery

Let the crackdown begin!
 
2012-01-09 09:32:19 PM
Forget murderers and thieves. Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer and police Chief Paul Rooney are using their resources - and your money - to go after a 25-year-old who was brandishing a writing utensil.

One that washes away with the rain.
Check out these bizarre and unusual destinations around the world.

Just before Christmas, OPD arrested 25-year-old Timothy Osmar for "writing or painting advertising matter on streets or sidewalks"



/Sighs...i heard this kinda shiat when i was working as a police officer. I would bust someone for dui, or whatever offense, and the first thing out of their mouths would be "why aren't you arresting murderers and rapists instead of picking on me and this nothing crime. I would then say.."Ok...tell me where some murderers and rapists are, right now, complete with enough evidence to convict, and I'll let you go." They would look at me like i had grown a second head, and say, "Well, i don''t know where they are!!" I would reply, "Ok, but you expect ME to know, like they hand out a list of murderers and rapists at the beginning of shift...and rather than arrest them, i decided to pick on you." Idiot troll who wrote the article fails. Defacing city property is a crime, yes...a lesser one..but a crim nonetheless. Get over it retard, and find something substantive to report besides this weak ass troll attempt.
 
2012-01-09 09:55:26 PM

staplermofo: I should have paid more attention in logic class. Given "Justice = Liberty", can we assume that if you take away his liberty, then by modus tollens there is no justice?


"=" was pithier.
 
2012-01-09 09:59:25 PM
Bit'O'Gristle,Get over it retard, and find something substantive to report besides this weak ass troll attempt.

I could not agree more.
0/10
 
2012-01-09 10:18:35 PM
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2012-01-09 10:23:48 PM
"Listen-I say that justice is nothing other than the advantage of the stronger."
 
2012-01-09 10:34:48 PM
In case you want to let them know how you feel...but not in chalk 'cause that would be wrong and stuff.

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2012-01-09 11:07:11 PM

TravisBickle62: Why the fark do people have to deface public property?


Really? It was the sidewalk. And it was chalk. I would hardly call that defacing.

I would think this would be time for a small town soft spoken Southern lawyer to come up to bat and knock one out of the park for the First amendment.

But it seems there's precedence (pop) that agrees with you that it is defacing and not infringing on first amendment rights to prevent it.

/meh
 
2012-01-10 05:12:56 AM
I was once threatened with arrest for handing out free keyrings. They had no company name, were not used to promote a company, I just had craploads of keyrings and was going to a concert and figured everybody needs another key ring, so it was a good place to get rid of them without throwing them away.

The cop said I had to stop and if I even said one word to him in reply he would arrest me. Someone nearby asked the cop what the charge would be, and the smartass pig said "drugs." He threatened, basically, to plant drugs on me to validate the arrest. I walked away, kept better peripheral vision, and continued with my dastardly plot.

If only I could give away more keyrings, I could bring down the evil America once and for all. Apparently.
 
2012-01-10 11:18:42 AM

spentmiles: I did five years in a Texas Juvenile Detention Facility for drawing a hopscotch course on the sidewalk in front of the courthouse. I was waiting for my dad to get through traffic court, found the chalk, and set to drawing. A few minutes later, a hard ass cop grabbed me by ear -- hard -- and lifted me off the ground. I was scared and in pain, so I kicked out, striking him in the groin. He dropped me on the ground, but before I could blink, he maced me point blank in the face. And he didn't stop holding down the trigger until the canister was empty. My vision is still blurred to this day.

I had just turned thirteen, but they charged me as an adult - defacing public property, resisting arrest, assault of a law enforcement officer. The original sentence was two years, but once you are in, they find ways to keep you. When I turned 18, they sent me to state prison for another three years. I wake up most nights and think I'm still there.

Now that I'm out, I feel like I'm 80% animal.


And that's when you get a gun and blow their farking heads off for ruining your life, and move to a new country. That's bullshiat.
 
2012-01-10 12:35:07 PM
Orlando -- The New Stalingrad
 
2012-01-10 12:59:14 PM

xl5150: So somebody was defacing property and he got caught for it. This is news? I guarantee the army of people screaming about how it's "art" would change their tune if it were their job to clean it up (though a job is a foreign concept to anyone like that).


There's nothing more American than biatching about your job. You argument has no significance in this case.
 
2012-01-10 04:12:45 PM

libranoelrose: ed the misspelling.


insen't he just?

/hello
//hello
///hello
////hello
//hello
//not sad now
 
2012-01-10 04:14:57 PM
And now I am sad, as the quoting was wrong and my slashies were truncated. Time to arm myself with some chalk and create pandemonium in the street.

Pandemonium I say!
 
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