MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think I'd be happier if legislators were IQ tested before being sworn in

Why bother? We already know the results would come back negative.

I think I'd be happier if legislators were IQ tested before being sworn in

I fully support mandatory drug testing of legislators. they should also wear one of those ankle monitoring bracelets we put on criminals. hey - they're important people, right? we need to know where they are at all times in case of terrorism or something.

LasersHurt: /I do not know why I'm talking to a troll, but here we are, aren't we.

I think of it as "attention welfare". You really need to stop giving him free comments, maybe he'd get off his ass and say something productive.

Mandating drug tests to catch the 4-5 people who are actually using drugs = Cool!

Mandating vaccines to eradicate diseases and possibly save lives = Socialism!

Hold legislators accountable? Ha ha ha. Good one!

Sergeant Grumbles: sonnymaou: My first few years of college were completed because of them.

Why is it the biggest assholes always had their parents pay for college?

Libertarian types always seem to be the people who had everything paid for by everyone. I really did the bootstrappy thing and now I'm a socialist...

sonnymaou: I'm teaching compassion. The part about Juan being worthless is for them to learn through experience and observation. (Dog eat dog, survival of fittest, etc...) Dude, at least be consistent in your worldview.

Also, I have no contempt for the poor. My parents were poor, but worked hard. My first few years of college were completed because of them. Now they are experiencing the benefits of raising a good kid. Or so I like to think. (Oh, and they never suckled the government teat. Gods bless 'em!)

Hahahahahahaha (gasp) hahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA... (wheeze)

Oh man, that was REALLY funny!

You really think you kids will not catch on to your callousness and double standards? You really think they won't grasp that you are only compassionate to people who meet your standards, and sneer at many others as worthless. You really think they won't notice you doing that, and recognize it for the gross hypocrisy it is?! Really?!

And you honestly think that as poor people, nothing the government did helped you and your folks and it was all bootstrappiness?! Holy FSM, you're delusional!

Garbonzo42: sonnymaou: TFerWannaBe: Sally needs the money - she is 100% likely to use it and then spread around the benefit... Even if you and I use it is less beneficial to us than to Sally and her family - $20 to us doesn't mean very much because we have a good, solid income and balance. For Sally that's a good chunk of her grocery budget and she can't easily replace it. Sally gets more benefit from the same amount of money because she is less able to get more.

I'm so glad somebody finally brought this up, because it kills your argument.

Sally's not the only one! There are more and more of them every day.

Multiply that tiny $20 by... what? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?

Or, split that $20 between thousands (or more)... too small to make a difference, so we... what? Take more? And more... until what? Nobody has anything left to give the nanny state.

You see clearly, now, right?

Oh god! This slope! It's so slippery!

He also busted out North Korea earlier. It's like he lives in the side of a K-Y Jelly volcano.

Philip Francis Queeg: sonnymaou: Philip Francis Queeg: When you pay your taxes you are paying to protect you in the form of welfare programs too.

But I don't want to. I have a retirement account that will let me live comfortably, even if I become disabled today. I'm FORCED to pay into government welfare.

See how that works?

BUZZZZZ! Try again.

How is that different than the Fire Department or the military then? What if I don't want to pay for those? Should I be forced to pay for them?

It's good to know that nothing could ever possibly happen to your retirement account and that it's so incredibly safe that you could never need any kind of help from society.

I've made this point before, and I will make it again: What happens if we allow people to simply exempt themselves from society? That means they pay no taxes, may use nothing that is publicly-owned and gain no protection of law. They wander in to the Department of Randroids office, sign a tihng, and then walk out and someone shoots them in the face and steals their shiat. Well, hey, no protection of law, right? I guess it's open season.

That's what these toolboxes are asking for with their "taxation is theft" rhetoric. Walk it back from that edge, though, and suddenly they have to actually defend their policy ideas on their merits instead of on some asinine pseudo-philosophical point, and that's much harder because their ideas have no merit.

FarkedOver: Jack Black 62: Gergesa: Jack Black 62: Gergesa: Jack Black 62: Just end all forms of welfare and we won't have these problems.

If we just shoot all the poor people there won't be any poor!!

Or, you could be nice and support them through charity.

That's a great idea. The poor should be subject to the whimsical generosity of others. Everday should be a harrowing adventure in wondering if people were willing to give enough to feed those who need assistance.

I see. You would rather put a gun to someone's head and force them to take care of others.

You're absolutely right. We need to cut off all assistance to anyone. I mean there are a plethora of jobs and positions out there waiting to be filled! It's not like when desperate people get even more desperate bad things happen.

Desperate people never cause any problems. Its unheard of. They just chill out and nothing more costly in the long run ever happens.

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

All here? Good. Go f*ck yourselves. This is America.

OneTimed: Why does noone ever point out that urinalysis is for the most part only useful in testing for THC? Most of the other actually dangerous drugs are out of your system within a few days while THC can stick around for a month or more.

I always found it funny when someone in the military would pop for cocaine, on a Wednesday, and try to claim that "it was just one time" or "someone spiked my whatever." I'm sorry, dude, but you have cocaine in your system on a Wednesday morning... nobody does coke on a Tuesday by accident or for the first time. Tuesday night is "fiend night." Cocaine is also a 100% criminal product; there's no way that in addition to breaking mil regulations that such users aren't fueling an entirely murderous, criminal machine.

Weed on the other hand, yeah that's much longer-lasting, yet can be sourced from non-murderous-gang growers.

Well, bless his satiric little soul!

Mass drug tests are intrusive without being effective. As a general rule, laws should not impose a heavy burden on the innocent and should not fail to efficiently and effectively impose a cost on the guilty due to lack of enforceability. I'd sooner see some of the guilty escape than everybody rounded up and treated like cattle. Some law-and-order types are just the opposite.

Cattle, by the way, are very likely NOT drug-tested en masse thanks to the laissez-faire, laissez-passer zeal of the cattle, packing, and agro-industrial industries.

Jack Black 62: Philip Francis Queeg: Jack Black 62: jayhawk88: Jack Black 62: Just end all forms of welfare and we won't have these problems.

Exactly. We'll have a whole slate of new, more interesting problems.

What people working for a change or dying off?

Children starving to death is FREEDOOOOOOOOM!

Or, you could help them by being charitable.

Or we can all help them by acting like a First World nation.

I forget what the exact figures were but I think rick scott might regret pushing it through. I believe it the cost was quite a few million to implement and the results showed that almost none of the recipients were on drugs.

On another level, it seems as though it is really mean spirited. You are poor? You want some money? Get on your knees and beg for it!!! Down I say!! Lower!!! Prostrate yourself before me and lick the floor!!!