Is that for people on Shayol?
/Obscurish

On the one hand, this is good news for the mob, criminals, and others who have no problem with access to pharmaceuticals. This will revive their economy.

On the other hand, this is just one more sign of the impending destruction of society and extinction of all human life.

A Terrible Human: Oh no they took out the acetaminophen! Now people won't get liver damage as easily. Honestly with everything else out there,such as oxycodone and farking fentanyl,this shiat seems like nothing. It only makes sense to take out the acetaminophen if the patient is on more than 2 a day just to prevent liver damage. Kinda makes me wonder if this could be a start to getting acetaminophen out of prescription meds.

Don't forget Dilaudid.

Researchers discovered heroin?

Big whoop. Welcome to the MS Contin/ OxyContin club. Opioids have no upper dose limit. Less liver failure from acetaminophen is not a bad thing.

10x is 10x. people who say it is timed released so it won't hit you so hard probably aren't thinking about the addicts that will crush it, smoke it, snort it, make it soluble and inject it, etc...

Oxycodone

Hydrocodone

As someone who holds common stock in this company I am getting a kick...

/all press is good press
/show me the money
/idgaf

Ftfa: "You are going to have little old ladies who are in significant pain who get hooked on this and start using it even when they don't need it."

I agree, little old ladies in chronic pain should just walk that shiat off instead of feeling good for their short time left on earth.

Scaremongering is in full effect I see. I like that the article actually has the balls to complain about them removing the acetometaphine in one paragraph, then a paragraph or two later give statistics about 'painkiller poisoning'. Which is liver damage. From the aceto.

Can we just call it nuke, and continue the trend of SciFi becoming Sci?


hot like a shot to the jugular

violentsalvation: "But law enforcement officials and drug experts worry it will open a new front in the war against prescription drug abuse."



Oh shut up you stupid f*cks, you are the problem, not the drugs or the users.

And it will be safer for addicts to "abuse" because there is no tylenol to kill the liver. Chew one of these up or pop 10 pills with 5 grams of tylenol.

So the addicts live longer, committing crime to support their habit for longer...I fail to see how this is good...

I live in an area rampant with prescription drug abuse...the crime generated by it is one of the reasons we are moving out of the area (and the whole state) next month. I say increase the acetaminophen by 10x and knock em off sooner.

downstairs: I'm all for 100% marijuana legalization... but if someone honestly *needs* something 10x stronger than Vicotin... I'm thinking no amount of pot in the world is going to help them.

There was a time when I would have agreed, but having um... "experienced" some of the edibles you can buy now, I'm not so sure.

dpcotta: As someone who holds common stock in this company I am getting a kick...

/all press is good press
/show me the money
/idgaf

That, and this article just boosted street value and demand.

Isn't this a useless premise? it's all about dosage. So what if it's a million times stronger.. give a millionth as much. Addicts will always take 10 times to much.. big surprise.

On a side note a lot of pain killer addicts got hooked because they were not given adequate amount of the drugs when they were first needed. The reaction is classic Pavlovian.

1. Patient takes pill or or regimen of inadequate dosage/duration
2. Patient not fully healed and runs out of meds...due to doctor paranoia about addiction.
3. Patient yo-yos between pain and no pain thereby inducing them to get addicted.

I had a kidney stone impacted in my ureter last year. For six weeks, the docs kept saying "just wait a bit, it'll pass itself out" and then upping my meds. By the time they decided to put a stent in (discovering the impaction by accident), I was on what my primary care physician called a "scary" dosage of dilauded (hydromorphone). The funny thing was, none of the opiates made me "high" in the slightest. They took the edge off the pain, but I felt basically normal. No buzz at all. You would not have been able to tell I was drugged up to the gills if had you met me on the street.

That's why I can never understand why a single vicodin tablet goes for so much money. They don't seem to DO anything, at least not to me.

A Terrible Human: Uchiha_Cycliste: Don't forget Dilaudid.

Yeah so people acting like this will be something terrible must be rather sheltered from what people who abuse opioid based pills do. Lol no one I know who is into pills even does hydrocodone anymore. They all want oxycodone and in doses of over 10mgs per pill. All I can see this doing is preventing alot of deaths from liver failure.

For what it's worth. In the last year, oxy has been much harder to come by in abusable form. Mostly it OP's instead of OC's and they can't be snorted or smoked. I gotta hand it to the FDA for making that change. It got a lot of people off of oxy
(and onto smack)

pisceandreamer: lilplatinum: Ftfa: "You are going to have little old ladies who are in significant pain who get hooked on this and start using it even when they don't need it."

I agree, little old ladies in chronic pain should just walk that shiat off instead of feeling good for their short time left on earth.

Oh, you must work at the hospital where my grandmother stayed last year when she fractured her pelvis. They wouldn't give her narcotics because of the "addiction risk". Yes, my 88 year old grandmother was going to be out hooking at 99th and Bell to get her next fix.

Fortunately the care center she is at now gives it out like candy. No reason for her to be in any pain.

God Bless your grandmother. No, there's no reason for her to be in any pain. Addiction risk be damned.
I have a good friend who is a chronic pain sufferer from a botched (twice) hernia operation. Fentanyl patches hardly put a dent in the pain. One medication worked but it made her throw up her toenails. She's about to undergo major surgery to have three entrapped nerves clipped and burned to see if this will bring her some relief. You wouldn't believe what she has to go through to get her meds.

Tergiversada: pisceandreamer: lilplatinum: Ftfa: "You are going to have little old ladies who are in significant pain who get hooked on this and start using it even when they don't need it."

I agree, little old ladies in chronic pain should just walk that shiat off instead of feeling good for their short time left on earth.

Oh, you must work at the hospital where my grandmother stayed last year when she fractured her pelvis. They wouldn't give her narcotics because of the "addiction risk". Yes, my 88 year old grandmother was going to be out hooking at 99th and Bell to get her next fix.

Fortunately the care center she is at now gives it out like candy. No reason for her to be in any pain.

God Bless your grandmother. No, there's no reason for her to be in any pain. Addiction risk be damned.
I have a good friend who is a chronic pain sufferer from a botched (twice) hernia operation. Fentanyl patches hardly put a dent in the pain. One medication worked but it made her throw up her toenails. She's about to undergo major surgery to have three entrapped nerves clipped and burned to see if this will bring her some relief. You wouldn't believe what she has to go through to get her meds.

This poor woman doesn't have to go through "the pain clinic" does she?

Yep - lets let sick people in serious pain suffer so some other idiot doesnt accidently have too good a time or overdose... pass em out like candy so everyone who wants to kill themselves with pills can get it over with. They won't need to break into houses or rob pharmacies.

People want to do drugs - a certain percent want to do them at dangerous doses - it doesnt matter how hard or illegal it is to get them, making other people suffer for it doesnt help at all.

pisceandreamer: h, you must work at the hospital where my grandmother stayed last year when she fractured her pelvis. They wouldn't give her narcotics because of the "addiction risk". Yes, my 88 year old grandmother was going to be out hooking at 99th and Bell to get her next fix.

I had the joy of living in Germany for 5 years where doctors dont hand out real pain medication for anything under a severed limb.

"Oh, kidney stones - here, have some extra strength ibuprofen"

Bridget Brennan, the city's special narcotics prosecutor, questions the effort to market a new pain pill against the backdrop of deadly pharmacy murders and soaring overdose numbers.

"It's hard to understand why we need yet another powerful opiate drug available," she said. "I think the focus should be on non-addictive painkillers."

My very dear Ms. Brennan, it is not for you to understand why we need another powerful opiate. May you be fortunate enough never to have to understand. What you think about what the ideal focus for development of new analgesics should be is completely irrelevant. You are a prosecutor, not a doctor, not a pharmacologist, not a pain specialist, but a prosecutor. Your job is to prosecute people who are selling narcotics illegally, not to offer opinions about what narcotics ought to be available for patients in pain.

Pet peeve of the moment: I can't legally transport my friend to chemotherapy with the painkillers that she needs just to get through a single day. When I took her to a hospice for respite care, they couldn't keep her medications, and I couldn't legally drive home with bottles of morphine and methadone that are prescribed to someone else or legally store them at my house until she came home. This insane drug war has made criminals out of sick people and their caregivers.

lilplatinum: Ftfa: "You are going to have little old ladies who are in significant pain who get hooked on this and start using it even when they don't need it."

I agree, little old ladies in chronic pain should just walk that shiat off instead of feeling good for their short time left on earth.

As Obama said, sometimes it makes more sense to give Granny a pain pill rather than replace a hip or knee. My congressman (Yarmuth) said it's too expensive for that end of life care in Medicare and it's ok for Grandma to die a little quicker to save expense.

If beggars are easier to please, what are medicare funded drug addicts?

I swear that there is some sort of giant effort to make sure a significant portion of the population is addicted to pills. Talk to anyone who does manual labor for a living and ask about percs. Every single working man I know either has a problem, or works with several people with problems.

There HAS to be a way to relieve pain without prescribing addictive pills. If it's some sort of THC derivative that can avoid the getting farked up aspect of it, then fine. Opiates have destroyed, are destroying, and will destroy WAY too many lives to continue being pushed like this.

Yes, I realize that every person is responsible for his own actions. However, it is easy for a person to get injured on the job and then hooked on the pills prescribed by his doctor. Sure, it's a step in the right direction that Oxys can't be snorted anymore, but why are percs still crushable? These meds seem custom made to be addictive and abusable, and we need fewer of them, not more potent versions.