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(Some Guy) Dumbass Romney claims the U.S. is "inches away from no longer being a free economy." Politifact throws gasoline on Romney's pants, flicks a match in his direction   (politifact.com) divider line 279
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2012-01-08 05:48:56 PM
Where "free" means "being able to pay 10 cents a day to have widgets made and not bother with anything related to safety precautions".
 
2012-01-08 06:01:11 PM
Mitt Romney: "Our economy is like a dog on top of a station wagon, trapped in a kennel, and has shat itself. America needs a leader with the courage to pull this farking country over and hose off the dogshiat before continuing on in the exact same manner that caused the mess."
 
2012-01-08 06:34:16 PM
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to do a leveraged recapitalization on.
 
2012-01-08 06:43:56 PM
To be fair, our economy has been an assisted market for some time now. We have indeed been tampering with the free market. The problem has been that the assisted market that we have has been benefiting larger entities, to the detriment of the smaller entities. We have been transferring wealth at an unprecedented rate and bypassing the normal market forces, with direct payments to those entities. It sort of screws things up, except for the banks, and the folks who are stockholders. It bypasses the normal market process, and you can only screw up the markets for so long, without adverse repercussions.

BTW: the housing collapse and all that mess with derivatives IS a repercussion.
 
2012-01-08 06:46:01 PM
Ed Finnerty: Mitt Romney: "Our economy is like a dog on top of a station wagon, trapped in a kennel, and has shat itself. America needs a leader with the courage to pull this farking country over and hose off the dogshiat before continuing on in the exact same manner that caused the mess."

Thats emotion-free crisis management you can count on, America.
 
2012-01-08 06:56:15 PM
We're not free until companies are free to fire every one of us for absolutely no reason and then get the bank to foreclose on our houses because we might not be able to make payments in the future.

That's real freedom. Republican Freedom. American Freedom.
 
2012-01-08 07:38:18 PM
It doesn't even bother me that Romney is a lying sack of shiat... it's just that he so farking BAD at it.

I want to play poker with him.
 
2012-01-08 07:48:16 PM
Thought fark libs were boycotting politifact for daring to ever say a liberal lies.
 
2012-01-08 07:48:32 PM
themindiswatching: Where "free" means "being able to pay 10 cents a day to have widgets made and not bother with anything related to safety precautions".

Yes, because regulations against decapitation and dismemberment in the workplace are hurting our position in the world economy
 
2012-01-08 07:48:44 PM
GAT_00: We're not free until companies are free to fire every one of us for absolutely no reason and then get the bank to foreclose on our houses because we might not be able to make payments in the future.

That's real freedom. Republican Freedom. American Freedom.


But the important thing is that little clumps of human inside a mommy are protected!
 
2012-01-08 07:49:37 PM
o5iiawah: themindiswatching: Where "free" means "being able to pay 10 cents a day to have widgets made and not bother with anything related to safety precautions".

Yes, because regulations against decapitation and dismemberment in the workplace are hurting our position in the world economy


It's good to know that you agree the market should be regulated by the government.
 
2012-01-08 07:51:26 PM
GAT_00: We're not free until companies are free to fire every one of us for absolutely no reason and then get the bank to foreclose on our houses because we might not be able to make payments in the future.

That's real freedom. Republican Freedom. American Freedom.


If only companies could prosper with zero employees. Let me know when you figure that one out.
 
2012-01-08 07:52:10 PM
We get it, he's black.
 
2012-01-08 07:52:22 PM
MyRandomName: Thought fark libs were boycotting politifact for daring to ever say a liberal lies.

???

As opposed to what other kind of libs? What's the difference, other than Fark membership?
 
2012-01-08 07:53:26 PM
MyRandomName: Thought fark libs were boycotting politifact for daring to ever say a liberal lies.

I'm not boycotting them. I expect them to be pedantic with semantics.

This is no different.
 
2012-01-08 07:53:35 PM
Serious Black: o5iiawah: themindiswatching: Where "free" means "being able to pay 10 cents a day to have widgets made and not bother with anything related to safety precautions".

Yes, because regulations against decapitation and dismemberment in the workplace are hurting our position in the world economy

It's good to know that you agree the market should be regulated by the government.


Worker safety? Yes

commodity price manipulation, government-backed loans, currency inflation, bailouts? No.
 
2012-01-08 07:54:08 PM
DamnYankees: Freedom's just another word for nothing left to do a leveraged recapitalization on biblical law

FTFM
 
2012-01-08 07:55:05 PM
vygramul: MyRandomName: Thought fark libs were boycotting politifact for daring to ever say a liberal lies.

???

As opposed to what other kind of libs? What's the difference, other than Fark membership?


It's supposed to be mocking the term "Fark Independent" which is mocking those who say they're independent but seem to be an apologist for everything the Republicans do.

Once again...another fine example of conservative humor.
 
2012-01-08 07:55:49 PM
o5iiawah: GAT_00: We're not free until companies are free to fire every one of us for absolutely no reason and then get the bank to foreclose on our houses because we might not be able to make payments in the future.

That's real freedom. Republican Freedom. American Freedom.

If only companies could prosper with zero employees. Let me know when you figure that one out.


That wasn't even remotely what GAT_00 meant.

What he was talking about was the ability for corporations to fire at will without any reasonable excuse. Spoke out against the foreman's abuse? Fired. Got sick and missed a day? Fired. Reserves unit deployed you to six months in Afghanistan? Fired. Boss found out that you're catholic? Fired.

And for banks to foreclose anytime they see profit in it.

He was referring to going back to 1870 and allowing employers and bankers to abuse their powers at will.

Because we all know how awesome it was in the Industrial Age . . . awesome for the employers that is.
 
2012-01-08 07:56:42 PM
DamnYankees: Freedom's just another word for nothing left to do a leveraged recapitalization on.

That doesn't work as well melodically.
 
2012-01-08 07:57:05 PM
o5iiawah: Serious Black: o5iiawah: themindiswatching: Where "free" means "being able to pay 10 cents a day to have widgets made and not bother with anything related to safety precautions".

Yes, because regulations against decapitation and dismemberment in the workplace are hurting our position in the world economy

It's good to know that you agree the market should be regulated by the government.

Worker safety? Yes

commodity price manipulation, government-backed loans, currency inflation, bailouts? No.


Government-backed limited liability of corporations is a price manipulation. Government requirements of only hiring US citizens or legal immigrants is a price manipulation. Wake me up when you start fighting against some of these things and I'll know you're serious.

/and logically coherent
 
2012-01-08 07:58:46 PM
Banking and large corporations have ensured there was no such thing as a free economy since long before the Interstate Commerce Act and Sherman Act.
 
2012-01-08 07:59:07 PM
not being a "free economy" is NOT the same as socialism. Nice try by Politifact.
 
2012-01-08 08:01:05 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: not being a "free economy" is NOT the same as socialism. Nice try by Politifact.

Yeah...good thing we're not even close to not being a free economy anymore.

Otherwise Romney might have something.
 
2012-01-08 08:01:06 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: not being a "free economy" is NOT the same as socialism. Nice try by Politifact.

Does having a universal health care system overseen or operated by the government make an economy not free?
 
2012-01-08 08:02:42 PM
So a few inches from freedom means lost freedom a few inches ago and they are still pushing to see how deep they can go. Have reached sigmoid depth.
 
2012-01-08 08:03:58 PM
Serious Black: Government-backed limited liability of corporations is a price manipulation. Government requirements of only hiring US citizens or legal immigrants is a price manipulation.

Nice pair of strawmen that have nothing to do with the argument.

Setting standards for immigration and naturalization are enumerated powers of congress as it creating a system of contracts that allows for businesses to operate.
 
2012-01-08 08:04:50 PM
Look, he's not saying it's literally true, it's not intended to be a factual statement, but in his line of work you've got to catapult the propaganda.
 
2012-01-08 08:06:55 PM
o5iiawah: If only companies could prosper with zero employees. Let me know when you figure that one out.

American
employees, specifically? Oh, they're prospering just fine without them.
 
2012-01-08 08:14:03 PM
This is technically true. A massive seismic shift that moved the North American continent inches in any direction would result in widespread destruction and necessitate the imposing of draconian economic policies.
 
2012-01-08 08:14:43 PM
www.latinamericanstudies.org

Republicans definition of "Freedom"
 
2012-01-08 08:15:08 PM
o5iiawah: Serious Black: Government-backed limited liability of corporations is a price manipulation. Government requirements of only hiring US citizens or legal immigrants is a price manipulation.

Nice pair of strawmen that have nothing to do with the argument.

Setting standards for immigration and naturalization are enumerated powers of congress as it creating a system of contracts that allows for businesses to operate.


So it's okay for the government to intervene in the operation of the market when the Constitution allows them to do so? That's a very slippery slope you're standing on there, Mr. Austrian Economist.
 
2012-01-08 08:15:34 PM
Corvus: [www.latinamericanstudies.org image 640x432]

Republicans definition of "Freedom"


Remember what Rick Santorum said:

Working in a coal mine until you're 70 = FREEDOM!!!
 
2012-01-08 08:22:39 PM
Does he mean the economy will be controlled by the extremely rich who'll make more money by shorting the market in their favor?
 
2012-01-08 08:25:20 PM
Serious Black: o5iiawah: Serious Black: Government-backed limited liability of corporations is a price manipulation. Government requirements of only hiring US citizens or legal immigrants is a price manipulation.

Nice pair of strawmen that have nothing to do with the argument.

Setting standards for immigration and naturalization are enumerated powers of congress as it creating a system of contracts that allows for businesses to operate.

So it's okay for the government to intervene in the operation of the market when the Constitution allows them to do so? That's a very slippery slope you're standing on there, Mr. Austrian Economist.


I dont live in Austria, I live in the US. Though I recognize that Austrian economics not only works better than Keynesian it also allows more liberty for the worker and business owner. Balance is key to everything

Also, Austrian economics never advocates for sweatshop conditions or the importation and welcoming of derilict employees of illegal status so you're pushing that strawman as well
 
2012-01-08 08:27:45 PM
Corvus: Republicans definition of "Freedom"

Thats funny, those kids look like they are working in China, the USSR, North Korea, Cuba, North Vietnam or Venezuela
 
2012-01-08 08:31:15 PM
o5iiawah: Corvus: Republicans definition of "Freedom"

Thats funny, those kids look like they are working in China, the USSR, North Korea, Cuba, North Vietnam or Venezuela


You're an idiot.

Those are kids from this country in the 1910's.

And aren't Republicans telling us we need to be more like China anyways?

Link
 
2012-01-08 08:32:26 PM
o5iiawah: Also, Austrian economics never advocates for sweatshop conditions

No...they just don't give a fark if it happens or not because in their eyes...they're being nice just offering them a job no matter how horrible the conditions are.
 
2012-01-08 08:32:37 PM
No doubt any number of idiots will buy into this nonsense.
 
2012-01-08 08:39:28 PM
Mrtraveler01: Once again...another fine example of conservative humor.

It's like a Fark 1/2 News Hour.
 
2012-01-08 08:40:09 PM
Mrtraveler01: And aren't Republicans telling us we need to be more like China anyways?

Nice to see the batshiat crazy ravings of the fringe of a party now qualifies as a mainstream position.

I should probably quote Farrakhan or Alinsky the next time I discuss mainstream democratic ideology
 
2012-01-08 08:40:10 PM
Dammit... Fark 1/2 Hour News Hour
 
2012-01-08 08:42:55 PM
o5iiawah: I should probably quote Farrakhan or Alinsky the next time I discuss mainstream democratic ideology

Weren't you the guy arguing for gold specie in a recent North American Union thread? I just remember being quite impressed that you seemed to be mired in 1845 or something. Whatever they were, you've got hoots-pa talking like your positions are mainstream.

I'll go see if I can dig up some quotes.
 
2012-01-08 08:43:19 PM
We should just let companies do whatever they want because anything else would be socialism. No company would ever put everyone in whole farking towns in danger because of profit right?
 
2012-01-08 08:43:23 PM
o5iiawah: Serious Black: o5iiawah: Serious Black: Government-backed limited liability of corporations is a price manipulation. Government requirements of only hiring US citizens or legal immigrants is a price manipulation.

Nice pair of strawmen that have nothing to do with the argument.

Setting standards for immigration and naturalization are enumerated powers of congress as it creating a system of contracts that allows for businesses to operate.

So it's okay for the government to intervene in the operation of the market when the Constitution allows them to do so? That's a very slippery slope you're standing on there, Mr. Austrian Economist.

I dont live in Austria, I live in the US. Though I recognize that Austrian economics not only works better than Keynesian it also allows more liberty for the worker and business owner. Balance is key to everything

Also, Austrian economics never advocates for sweatshop conditions or the importation and welcoming of derilict employees of illegal status so you're pushing that strawman as well


Murray Rothbard, a very prominent Austrian economist, wrote several articles discussing how OSHA should be abolished because it was a miserable failure. Daniel Griswold, the director of the Cato Institute's Trade Policy Studies, has written at least one article discussing how we need to legalize the behavior of many otherwise-illegal immigrants who fill jobs that Americans will not fill. Are they strawmen too?
 
2012-01-08 08:44:05 PM
The conservative Heritage Foundation always lists Hong Kong as the freest economy in the world.
And yet we have universal health care. So maybe Mittens should support that if he wants to make the top of the list.
 
2012-01-08 08:44:37 PM
It's politifact. Therefore Romney is telling the truth.
 
2012-01-08 08:46:05 PM
In the interest of balance, tomorrow Politifact will give the "Pants On Fire" award to a Democrat for saying "The Broncos won the game on the first play of overtime." Since the kickoff was the first play of overtime, the Broncos scored on the SECOND play of overtime, which means that Democrats and Republicans are equally untruthful.
 
2012-01-08 08:46:40 PM
Man, I can't wait for the first Romney vs. Obama debate.
 
2012-01-08 08:47:24 PM
A Terrible Human: We should just let companies do whatever they want because anything else would be socialism. No company would ever put everyone in whole farking towns in danger because of profit right?

Pfft...that's nothing:

Link
 
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