Or they were trying to give a comparison of numbers to make it easier for people to comprehend.

But apparently that's too difficult for subby to understand, being stupid and all.

That's pretty farking shameful.

I'd invite all Americans to join me in working to erase this national tragedy by taking up smoking.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That's pretty farking shameful.

I'd invite all Americans to join me in working to erase this national tragedy by taking up smoking.

You fool! Haven't you heard the phrase "if she smokes, she pokes?"

More smoking will only lead to more rape!

does that stat count all of the second-hand smokers who have their lungs forcibly filled with smoke without their consent?

Amos Quito: All sex is rape.

Anyone who says otherwise is a rapist.

There was something going around the tubes recently that was saying that any man who had ever had sex with a woman who had one drink was a rapist, any man who ever had sex with a woman who was tied up was a rapist, any man who had ever watched porn was a rapist, any man who is anti abortion is a rapist, any man who has ever NOT been attracted to a woman because of her physical appearance....is a rapist.

Oh, here it is. It's lovely: Link (new window)

my link failed, because my link is a rapist:
Link (new window)

what_now: my link failed, because my link is a rapist:
Link (new window)

This is why I despise modern feminism. It has completely lost sight of actual problems and has turned into a man hating contest.

what_now: Link (new window)

The stupid, it burns.

That said, I sometimes think the one out of five women being sexually assaulted is on the low side from my experience with women as friends, lovers, and SO's.

what_now: Amos Quito: All sex is rape.

Anyone who says otherwise is a rapist.

There was something going around the tubes recently that was saying that any man who had ever had sex with a woman who had one drink was a rapist, any man who ever had sex with a woman who was tied up was a rapist, any man who had ever watched porn was a rapist, any man who is anti abortion is a rapist, any man who has ever NOT been attracted to a woman because of her physical appearance....is a rapist.

Oh, here it is. It's lovely: Link (new window)

probably not going to click on the link, but does it have the old chestnut that marriage is institutionalized rape?

GAT_00: what_now: my link failed, because my link is a rapist:
Link (new window)

This is why I despise modern feminism. It has completely lost sight of actual problems and has turned into a man hating contest.

No. No it hasn't. Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights in addition to equal opportunities for women.

That's it. Just because some moron with a blog hates men, that doesn't mean feminism is unnecessary.

Amos Quito: All sex is rape.

Anyone who says otherwise is a rapist.

Thank you Mr. Santorum... rebuttal Mr. Rommey?

what_now: GAT_00: what_now: my link failed, because my link is a rapist:
Link (new window)

This is why I despise modern feminism. It has completely lost sight of actual problems and has turned into a man hating contest.

No. No it hasn't. Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights in addition to equal opportunities for women.

That's it. Just because some moron with a blog hates men, that doesn't mean feminism is unnecessary.

I didn't say it was unnecessary, I said it lost sight.

Feminism has become nothing more than a method to try to make women the superior gender over men and blame men for everything. Just because things were wrong for centuries doesn't mean continuing the same with roles flipped is good.

There are actual problems that need to be addressed. We still need actual equality as we're not there yet.

But I don't see feminism doing that. Your link? That's how I see feminism.

what_now: GAT_00: what_now: my link failed, because my link is a rapist:
Link (new window)

This is why I despise modern feminism. It has completely lost sight of actual problems and has turned into a man hating contest.

No. No it hasn't. Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights in addition to equal opportunities for women.

That's it. Just because some moron with a blog hates men, that doesn't mean feminism is unnecessary.

Men are the most persecuted group of people in the US today. Women think they should get paid the same as men for doing inferior jobs and men have even had to sink so low as to become nurses and maids to make ends meet. Women had it good before this whole women's rights business came about. They didn't have to worry about paychecks or bills and didn't even have to keep up with current events to know who to vote for. The modern feminist movement has put women's rights back centuries.

/I need to get an alt...

baka-san: That said, I sometimes think the one out of five women being sexually assaulted is on the low side from my experience with women as friends, lovers, and SO's.

Have to agree with this one. I was surprised that number was so low (even though my evidence is completely and totally anecdotal).

//So depressing.

Kimothy: baka-san: That said, I sometimes think the one out of five women being sexually assaulted is on the low side from my experience with women as friends, lovers, and SO's.

Have to agree with this one. I was surprised that number was so low (even though my evidence is completely and totally anecdotal).

//So depressing.

Sexual assault is a very big issue and trying to get statistics on it is damn hard. There are a LOT of women who do not report it. Women who do not report it have higher chances of domestic abuse and sexual abuse in the future.

That is where it needs to begin. I aint no smart man, so I really have no idea how we could do it.

GAT_00: what_now: GAT_00: what_now: my link failed, because my link is a rapist:
Link (new window)

This is why I despise modern feminism. It has completely lost sight of actual problems and has turned into a man hating contest.

No. No it hasn't. Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights in addition to equal opportunities for women.

That's it. Just because some moron with a blog hates men, that doesn't mean feminism is unnecessary.

I didn't say it was unnecessary, I said it lost sight.

Feminism has become nothing more than a method to try to make women the superior gender over men and blame men for everything. Just because things were wrong for centuries doesn't mean continuing the same with roles flipped is good.

There are actual problems that need to be addressed. We still need actual equality as we're not there yet.

But I don't see feminism doing that. Your link? That's how I see feminism.

The fact that you see that link as representative of all feminism indicates a lack of desire to actually engage with the subject or actually start reading feminist literature and seeing that there is not such thing as a monolithic "feminist" movement. Feminism in its current form is broken up into multiple different schools of thought. One of them was represented by that link; that was representative of one the less sex-positive schools of thought.

But to paint the entire movement by your impressions of that is like accepting that it's okay for Republicans to paint the entire Democratic Party by what Alan Grayson or Bill Maher says, or say that Louis Farrakhan represents all black Muslims, or Michelle Bachmann represents all Republicans. It's taking the easy way out to just accept on the surface that you don't like something, or to pretend that feminism is just "a method to try to make women the superior gender." When you actually take the time to engage with the material you realize that most feminism is far from that. A lot of it is simply consciousness-raising about the fundamental and entrenched ways that male privilege oppresses women and men, and if you had actually read the comments on the article that was linked, you'll see that the author of the post specifically rejects the idea that all men are "rape-apologists" deliberately, and states that it's her belief that violence against women is not a part of who men are, but imposed on them by societal pressures from a very early age.

tl;dr version, read the stuff before you criticize it as man-hating.

Rincewind53: The fact that you see that link as representative of all feminism indicates a lack of desire to actually engage with the subject or actually start reading feminist literature and seeing that there is not such thing as a monolithic "feminist" movement.

I've seen quite a bit of material like that link. Don't try to pretend that kind of thought is unique, it isn't, or anywhere close to it.

Rincewind53: GAT_00: what_now: GAT_00: what_now: my link failed, because my link is a rapist:
Link (new window)

This is why I despise modern feminism. It has completely lost sight of actual problems and has turned into a man hating contest.

No. No it hasn't. Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights in addition to equal opportunities for women.

That's it. Just because some moron with a blog hates men, that doesn't mean feminism is unnecessary.

I didn't say it was unnecessary, I said it lost sight.

Feminism has become nothing more than a method to try to make women the superior gender over men and blame men for everything. Just because things were wrong for centuries doesn't mean continuing the same with roles flipped is good.

There are actual problems that need to be addressed. We still need actual equality as we're not there yet.

But I don't see feminism doing that. Your link? That's how I see feminism.

The fact that you see that link as representative of all feminism indicates a lack of desire to actually engage with the subject or actually start reading feminist literature and seeing that there is not such thing as a monolithic "feminist" movement. Feminism in its current form is broken up into multiple different schools of thought. One of them was represented by that link; that was representative of one the less sex-positive schools of thought.

But to paint the entire movement by your impressions of that is like accepting that it's okay for Republicans to paint the entire Democratic Party by what Alan Grayson or Bill Maher says, or say that Louis Farrakhan represents all black Muslims, or Michelle Bachmann represents all Republicans. It's taking the easy way out to just accept on the surface that you don't like something, or to pretend that feminism is just "a method to try to make women the superior gender." When you actually take the time to engage with the material you realiz ...

You forgot that the Tea Party is the exception -- all of its members are racist

GAT_00: Rincewind53: The fact that you see that link as representative of all feminism indicates a lack of desire to actually engage with the subject or actually start reading feminist literature and seeing that there is not such thing as a monolithic "feminist" movement.

I've seen quite a bit of material like that link. Don't try to pretend that kind of thought is unique, it isn't, or anywhere close to it.

A "man-hating" kind of thought that thinks that women are the superior gender? Well, no, I don't think it's unique. I also don't think it's what is represented in that link, or that it represents mainstream feminism at all. The more modern third-wave feminism specifically attacked that perception, and much of the modern movement doesn't embrace the idea of gender superiority either.

cman: You forgot that the Tea Party is the exception -- all of its members are racist

I don't think that either. Just most of them, subconsciously or consciously.

baka-san: That said, I sometimes think the one out of five women being sexually assaulted is on the low side from my experience with women as friends, lovers, and SO's.

Maybe you should learn to just masturbate and stay away from women.

Rincewind53: much of the modern movement doesn't embrace the idea of gender superiority either.

It's how I see it. It's really the only logical conclusion when the whole thing blames men for everything, the logical implication of that is that women are better than men.

GAT_00: I've seen quite a bit of material like that link. Don't try to pretend that kind of thought is unique, it isn't, or anywhere close to it.

No. But the VAST majority of my peers- well educated women in our thirties- are what we call the Title IX generation. We never seriously considered that there was anything we *couldn't* do because we were women.

We went to college, law school, med school, engineering school, business school or we didn't.

We are mid career and rising swiftly, or we aren't.

We are married and have children, or we don't.

We made all of these choices based on many factors, but "I'm just a girl" wasn't one of them.

That's what feminism is- it evened the playing field.

GAT_00: Rincewind53: much of the modern movement doesn't embrace the idea of gender superiority either.

It's how I see it. It's really the only logical conclusion when the whole thing blames men for everything, the logical implication of that is that women are better than men.

That's like saying that the logical implication of abolitionists was that black people were better than white people, because they blamed white people for enslaving them and forcing them to work on cotton plantations.

Calling oppression by its proper name doesn't mean that the oppressed are somehow saying that they are "better," especially when the people standing up against oppression are specifically saying that it's cultural and not individual in nature.

what_now: That's what feminism is- it evened the playing field.

That's the last version of feminism. The new version, instead of trying to finish fixing the equality gap, has turned to man hating.

GAT_00: what_now: That's what feminism is- it evened the playing field.

That's the last version of feminism. The new version, instead of trying to finish fixing the equality gap, has turned to man hating.

Again, what you think you are describing is not the "new" version, but is one of the strands of radical feminism, which peaked in the late 1970s and has been on the decline in popularity ever since. You are attacking a straw man; "bra-burning" feminism never particularly existed (there was only one documented instance of actual bra-burning and that was done as a stunt) and the current feminist movement is decidedly not "man-hating." I suggest just taking a look at Wikipedia's article on the different variants of feminism and starting there, if you want to actually educate yourself on the topic.

Here.

Rincewind53: just taking a look at Wikipedia's article on the different variants of feminism and starting there

You're not even trying to not be insulting.

what_now: GAT_00: I've seen quite a bit of material like that link. Don't try to pretend that kind of thought is unique, it isn't, or anywhere close to it.

No. But the VAST majority of my peers- well educated women in our thirties- are what we call the Title IX generation. We never seriously considered that there was anything we *couldn't* do because we were women.

We went to college, law school, med school, engineering school, business school or we didn't.

We are mid career and rising swiftly, or we aren't.

We are married and have children, or we don't.

We made all of these choices based on many factors, but "I'm just a girl" wasn't one of them.

That's what feminism is- it evened the playing field.

Same generation/gender, and I totally agree. I have a daughter (4) and it has been easy so far to just let her be herself. She is naturally becoming a well-rounded person. It is her grandparents I have to worry about - one side is appalled at how much of a tomboy she is and the other side is desperate to make sure she doesn't become a princess. I'm pretty much OK with her being whoever she becomes. Right now she wears skirts all the time, loves watching Star Trek with me, helps her Papa build things, plays Mommy to her stuffed animals, LOVES glitter, and is learning to play chess (with alternating commentary on whether or not the two sides should be friends who are sparring or mortal enemies out for vengeance).

I will say, however, that I would like her to get equal pay for doing the same job as her male counterparts.

GAT_00: Rincewind53: just taking a look at Wikipedia's article on the different variants of feminism and starting there

You're not even trying to not be insulting.

Well, I linked Wikipedia because it's actually one of the better sources for quick overviews on topics, so I actually do think it's the best place to start. So, that part isn't meant to be insulting; you'll be surprised how many people don't even think to read Wiki to find out even the broad basics of a movement before criticizing it.

As to the rest of my tone, yes, I'm sorry, but I get a bit worked up when people perpetuate the straw-man that "feminism today isn't about equality, it's about man-hating" as if that was some sort of original observation and not something that the Right Wing has been attacking the movement for since the 1960s. Even Betty Friedan got attacked for "man-hating" for suggesting that maybe women didn't like sitting in the kitchen all day and making their husbands dinner. So when someone like you, who I generally agree with on most points, starts regurgitating that tired old saw, I get a little annoyed and try to educate you.

I only rape when I drink.

Guys better watch out on your rape jokes. Got myself a 5 day vacation over one on TFD (and it didn't involve children, beastiality, or other stupid shiat like that).