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2012-01-08 03:04:15 PM
Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.
 
2012-01-08 03:20:46 PM
I guess I'll help then, because I have a conference there at the end of Feb.
 
2012-01-08 03:26:16 PM
FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok

that's all it takes. And pick up the pace a bit
 
2012-01-08 03:27:11 PM
FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

In other words don't go to New York.
 
2012-01-08 03:27:36 PM
FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.


I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.
 
2012-01-08 03:28:30 PM
I don't get the appeal of NYC.

Guess I won't be one of the 50 million.
 
2012-01-08 03:30:00 PM
FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok.
 
2012-01-08 03:31:30 PM
imprimere: FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.

I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.


No New Yorkers are actually from New York anymore. It's too expensive.
 
2012-01-08 03:34:07 PM
organizm: imprimere: FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.

I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.

No New Yorkers are actually from New York anymore. It's too expensive.


Heh... aint that the way it always goes when a place is 'the place to be'?

So, they're in Jersey then? heehee
 
2012-01-08 03:34:46 PM
I see the fly-over State dwellers are already here for the weekly hate-on-NYC-thread.

Enjoy your culture deserts =)
 
2012-01-08 03:35:29 PM
imprimere: I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.

That's OK, well be happy not to have you here. New Yorkers are actually a pretty down-to-earth bunch and we can do without the prejudiced yahoos and their bad attitude coming here.
 
2012-01-08 03:36:13 PM
Forgot_my_password_again: I don't get the appeal of NYC.

Guess I won't be one of the 50 million.


You're not missing much.

/lived in Brooklyn & Wash. Heights.
 
2012-01-08 03:37:13 PM
imprimere: FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.

I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.


Never been there, yet you know all about it. Truly amazing. Its one thing when a person comes back from NYC with some kind of bad story about how they were wrongly treated. OK fine. But you figure you will just skip the part about finding out what the place is like for yourself, and just go straight to hating NYers because you have heard its a bad place.
 
2012-01-08 03:39:37 PM
If you want a place where the "locals" complain and look down upon tourists, try South Florida. New Yorkers? Not so much as long as you don't block the sidewalks.
 
2012-01-08 03:40:10 PM
FreakinB: You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent.

Well, I have no problem with giving a nice sharp "accidental" elbow to the ribs of the especially clueless whereas I tend to think twice before bumping someone with my car, but I get what you mean.

/what good is car insurance if you don't get your money's worth from time to time?
 
2012-01-08 03:41:22 PM
FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.


This. For the record, we are happy to have tourists come to NYC and are also glad to give people directions and restaurant recommendations (hell, I just gave someone a killer recommendation in the AMNH yesterday). However, it would be nice if tourists understood that the rest of us are trying to get to work or whatever. Just pull off to the side with your maps and if you want to stand on the escalator instead of walk, do so on the right side. kthxbye.
 
2012-01-08 03:45:17 PM
organizm: No New Yorkers are actually from New York anymore. It's too expensive.

I'm from Brooklyn, actually.
 
2012-01-08 03:46:40 PM
henryhill: Never been there, yet you know all about it. Truly amazing. Its one thing when a person comes back from NYC with some kind of bad story about how they were wrongly treated. OK fine. But you figure you will just skip the part about finding out what the place is like for yourself, and just go straight to hating NYers because you have heard its a bad place.

what do you mean? he watches "Law & Order," therefore he is 100% qualified to pass judgment!

*snicker*
 
2012-01-08 03:47:29 PM
imprimere: FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.

I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.


You would end up a mangled heap at the bottom of the subway stairs, body slammed into moving traffic or covered in welts when we literally walk THROUGH you when you get in our way.

I wish I was joking.
 
2012-01-08 03:49:57 PM
henryhill: imprimere: FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.

I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.

Never been there, yet you know all about it. Truly amazing. Its one thing when a person comes back from NYC with some kind of bad story about how they were wrongly treated. OK fine. But you figure you will just skip the part about finding out what the place is like for yourself, and just go straight to hating NYers because you have heard its a bad place.


I've never been to prison either, but I'm sure that it's great. What a logical point you make.

Also, you should try to be more understanding in your reading. I did not express any hatred at all for NYers.
 
2012-01-08 03:50:59 PM
Go to New York!! I HEARD ITS AMAZING!!

everyone knows that california sucks and the beaches are full of dirty needles. Please for the love of god DO NOT GO TO CALIFORNIA
 
2012-01-08 03:51:30 PM
organizm: No New Yorkers are actually from New York anymore. It's too expensive.

hehe so where do the 8,000,000+ come from?
 
2012-01-08 03:52:13 PM
SoCalSurfer: Go to New York!! I HEARD ITS AMAZING!!

everyone knows that california sucks and the beaches are full of dirty needles. Please for the love of god DO NOT GO TO CALIFORNIA


he means it sarcastically but it is good advice. LA is the worst place on earth
 
2012-01-08 03:52:53 PM
imprimere: Also, you should try to be more understanding in your reading. I did not express any hatred at all for NYers

You'll have to excuse us for inferring that from "love their hatred" and "miserable souls."

Seriously, just don't stop on the sidewalk and you're good. We'll even give directions and recommendations if you ask.
 
2012-01-08 03:53:47 PM
Gwinny: organizm: No New Yorkers are actually from New York anymore. It's too expensive.

I'm from Brooklyn, actually.


Manhattan by way of Queens Village followed by a long term layover on Long Island and a transfer in Astoria.
 
2012-01-08 03:54:08 PM
I think the plan is for the tourist rush to hit Brooklyn first before it gets big, then the manhattan.. (and of course back to the midwest once everyone in this city is completely over tit)
 
2012-01-08 03:54:29 PM
Wardrobe_Malfunction: imprimere: I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.

That's OK, well be happy not to have you here.


A win-win then.

New Yorkers are actually a pretty down-to-earth bunch and we can do without the prejudiced yahoos and their bad attitude coming here.

So, you are trying to convince me (or yourself?) that there are no prejudiced yahoo residents with bad attitudes in NY? Rather than tell people that it's really not that bad or that it's quite nice, you say, "We are perfect and we don't want your inferior ass farking up our pristine state!"

You sure showed me.
 
2012-01-08 03:54:50 PM
Every time walk through times square which, unfortunately, is twice a day unless I go out for lunch which in case it's 4x a day, I see the tourists and think to myself: "you poor souls...you could have gone to Aruba or Bermuda for what you're paying to come to this shiatshow."
 
2012-01-08 03:56:37 PM
If NYC really wants to make money they will tell them all the cool spots to take photography.. Photographers will really enjoy when a city gives all its secret photography hotbeds away up front.

Penn Station
All Bridges
Subway stations
Any tall building
Police Officers
Parking Enforcement employees
Anything really close to Liberty St & Church St
Anything with an Amtrak logo on it

Once the photographers pay off all their fines and bail they can all their friends and family about their awesome trip to New York
 
2012-01-08 03:57:07 PM
skullkrusher: Gwinny: organizm: No New Yorkers are actually from New York anymore. It's too expensive.

I'm from Brooklyn, actually.

Manhattan by way of Queens Village followed by a long term layover on Long Island and a transfer in Astoria.


I was born and raised on Long Island, Manhattan for college, went back to Long Island after college (freaking student loans) but I'm in Manhattan all the time since I work and go out there.

Also, the previous 2 generations of my family were all born and raised in Brooklyn.
 
2012-01-08 03:57:40 PM
I've been to New York. It's kind of cool to see all the skyscrapers, but it's cold, the people are dicks, everything's expensive, and the food is massively overrated.

Greatest city on Earth? Not so much. Maybe in the top 100.
 
2012-01-08 03:59:14 PM
Gwinny: FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.

This. For the record, we are happy to have tourists come to NYC and are also glad to give people directions and restaurant recommendations (hell, I just gave someone a killer recommendation in the AMNH yesterday). However, it would be nice if tourists understood that the rest of us are trying to get to work or whatever. Just pull off to the side with your maps and if you want to stand on the escalator instead of walk, do so on the right side. kthxbye.


That's the fundamental problem with cleaning up New York. A succession of mayors and PR people have promoted it as an urban Disneyworld. They never mentioned to everyone else that the people who live here are in a hurry to get to their jobs.
 
2012-01-08 04:00:03 PM
FreakinB: imprimere: Also, you should try to be more understanding in your reading. I did not express any hatred at all for NYers

You'll have to excuse us for inferring that from "love their hatred" and "miserable souls."

Seriously, just don't stop on the sidewalk and you're good. We'll even give directions and recommendations if you ask.


Point taken. I certainly wasn't espousing the opposite. It's like anywhere, I'm sure there are great people and scumbags. The majority of my experience has been a very elitist attitude coming from NY's direction.
 
2012-01-08 04:00:26 PM
Step right up!

See where the whole world's economy was flushed down the shiatter for the benefit of a few rich speculators! Meet the young idealists who are protesting the unequal distribution of the burden of repairing America's economy! Watch them get maced, tazed, beaten and arrested! The wonder! The spectacle!

(Warning: DO NOT ENTER NEW JERSEY)
 
2012-01-08 04:00:43 PM
JesusJuice: I've been to New York. It's kind of cool to see all the skyscrapers, but it's cold, the people are dicks, everything's expensive, and the food is massively overrated.

Greatest city on Earth? Not so much. Maybe in the top 100.


Meh. Cold during the winter but that's the wrong time to come. We have our fair share of assholes but some of that reputation is a bit unwarranted. And there are a lot of overrated restaurants but if you know where to go you'll be fine.
 
2012-01-08 04:01:33 PM
Forgot_my_password_again: I don't get the appeal of NYC.

Guess I won't be one of the 50 million.


great weekend trip.
 
2012-01-08 04:03:55 PM
imprimere: henryhill: imprimere: FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.

I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.

Never been there, yet you know all about it. Truly amazing. Its one thing when a person comes back from NYC with some kind of bad story about how they were wrongly treated. OK fine. But you figure you will just skip the part about finding out what the place is like for yourself, and just go straight to hating NYers because you have heard its a bad place.

I've never been to prison either, but I'm sure that it's great. What a logical point you make.

Also, you should try to be more understanding in your reading. I did not express any hatred at all for NYers.




" I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls"


you wrote this.

So you want to "piss off as many as possible" but yet you don't hate us?

Good to know, friend.
 
2012-01-08 04:04:46 PM
I work near Radio City, so I'm getting a kick....
I know it's amazing to see a building taller than 4 stories tall, because in the little podunk town you come from, a grain elevator is the biggest thing you've ever seen, aside from your family's stomachs.....but seriously move to the side to stare and drool. Also, taking flash photos of a building 500 feet away is not going to work. It just isn't. Also, Magnolia bakery is ok, but it isn't so awesome that you need to pose for photos in front of it. And FYI their cupcakes are the worst thing in the entire place. Like eating cornbread covered in frosting made of nothing but sugar. Also, that guy in the dirty ratty homemade Mickey Mouse costume, causing congestion on the sidewalk, is posing for photos with you for money. For money! He isn't standing there for his health and he wasn't sent there by Disney. Don't be shocked when he shakes you down for cash. Pedicabs....stupid. Wearing matching I heart New York shirsts just makes you a mark. Don't be shocked if your wallet disappears. Ground Zero? It's not a place to pose for family photos. It's a mass grave. don't be an idiot. Would you go to Auschwitz and pose for a family photo? Olive Garden? If you go there instead of the thousands of amazing food choices in NYC, you should just shoot yourself. It's ok to be a tourist, just don't act like one.
 
2012-01-08 04:07:07 PM
henryhill: imprimere: henryhill: imprimere: FreakinB: Just avoid suddenly stopping or walking 4 across on the sidewalk or the subway walkways and you'll be ok. That's the big one to remember. You'd be pissed if the car driving in front of you stopped out of nowhere. It's pretty much the equivalent. If you need to get your bearings, find a place where people aren't walking (next to a sign, whatever) and go there.

Otherwise, just know that Times Square is not like the rest of New York. You have to go, I get that, but it's mostly non-New Yorkers and tourist traps there.

I hope that I never find myself in NY, but if I do I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls.

Never been there, yet you know all about it. Truly amazing. Its one thing when a person comes back from NYC with some kind of bad story about how they were wrongly treated. OK fine. But you figure you will just skip the part about finding out what the place is like for yourself, and just go straight to hating NYers because you have heard its a bad place.

I've never been to prison either, but I'm sure that it's great. What a logical point you make.

Also, you should try to be more understanding in your reading. I did not express any hatred at all for NYers.



" I will make it my personal mission to piss off as many NYers as possible. I figure that they love their hatred so much, I may as well feed their miserable souls"


you wrote this.

So you want to "piss off as many as possible" but yet you don't hate us?

Good to know, friend.


Are you all unable to fully comprehend what you read? I was suggesting that I would piss you off TO MAKE YOU HAPPY!
 
2012-01-08 04:07:50 PM
JesusJuice: I've been to New York. It's kind of cool to see all the skyscrapers, but it's cold, the people are dicks, everything's expensive, and the food is massively overrated.

Greatest city on Earth? Not so much. Maybe in the top 100.


Whenever, I see people bad mouth NYC here, I like to look at thier profile to see where they are from.

The usual suspects are always there.
 
2012-01-08 04:12:47 PM
Forgot_my_password_again: I don't get the appeal of NYC.

Guess I won't be one of the 50 million.


I didn't see the big deal either until I went for the first time about 3 years ago. My GF is from there so we didn't do to much touristy things but I got to be there with a New Yorker and see it as a New Yorker. Now I go a couple of times a year and I love it there. You might enjoy it there is something for everyone there. Don't waste time in Times Square it is one giant gift shop.
 
2012-01-08 04:16:06 PM
henryhill: JesusJuice: I've been to New York. It's kind of cool to see all the skyscrapers, but it's cold, the people are dicks, everything's expensive, and the food is massively overrated.

Greatest city on Earth? Not so much. Maybe in the top 100.

Whenever, I see people bad mouth NYC here, I like to look at thier profile to see where they are from.

The usual suspects are always there.


The usual suspects being from 'not NY'? Have you noticed that more than one person has expressed a lack of love for NY who are from NY???

Again, I love how NYers are coming to the defense of their fair city. NYers point out that people aren't from there so they don't count, that they don't want other opinions there, and that you need to make sure that you don't piss off the locals while depositing your money there.

You've sure swayed my opinion this day.
 
2012-01-08 04:20:55 PM
content.sportslogos.net
 
2012-01-08 04:21:02 PM
henryhill:
Whenever, I see people bad mouth NYC here, I like to look at thier profile to see where they are from.

The usual suspects are always there.


Oh yes, why shouldn't we bow down to the Annoited People of the Five Boroughs? I mean, you have a financial district that nearly crashed the world economy, a police department full of thugs that fudge crime statistics, and a mayor that's a paternalistic little Napolean that has no regard for the 1st Amendment? And dare I mention the asshole locals?

fark NYC
 
2012-01-08 04:21:05 PM
soup: I see the fly-over State dwellers are already here for the weekly hate-on-NYC-thread.

Enjoy your culture deserts =)


West coast checking in, nodding at the east coast hate, goes back to sipping a cocktail over brunch.

We get plenty of new york on mass media, if we want more there's plenty of non stops any day of the week.
 
2012-01-08 04:22:28 PM
Try and steal from tourists every chance you get. That way they have a nice story to tell when they go home.
 
2012-01-08 04:26:25 PM
cmb53208: henryhill:
Whenever, I see people bad mouth NYC here, I like to look at thier profile to see where they are from.

The usual suspects are always there.

Oh yes, why shouldn't we bow down to the Annoited People of the Five Boroughs? I mean, you have a financial district that nearly crashed the world economy, a police department full of thugs that fudge crime statistics, and a mayor that's a paternalistic little Napolean that has no regard for the 1st Amendment? And dare I mention the asshole locals?

fark NYC


u mad?

Name: Christopher
Location: Madison, Wisconsin

oh. Just jealous.

Yeah, I know, Madison is the "cool" and "progressive" Wisconsin "city"... it's still in farking Wisconsin.
 
2012-01-08 04:27:49 PM
imprimere: henryhill: JesusJuice: I've been to New York. It's kind of cool to see all the skyscrapers, but it's cold, the people are dicks, everything's expensive, and the food is massively overrated.

Greatest city on Earth? Not so much. Maybe in the top 100.

Whenever, I see people bad mouth NYC here, I like to look at thier profile to see where they are from.

The usual suspects are always there.

The usual suspects being from 'not NY'? Have you noticed that more than one person has expressed a lack of love for NY who are from NY???

Again, I love how NYers are coming to the defense of their fair city. NYers point out that people aren't from there so they don't count, that they don't want other opinions there, and that you need to make sure that you don't piss off the locals while depositing your money there.

You've sure swayed my opinion this day.


Yea, we don't care, but thank you for being one of the billions of people worldwide with a strong opinion about the greatest city in the world.

let us know when our fashion, culture, and food from last year makes it out to you....
 
2012-01-08 04:39:07 PM
www.michaelbrowntoday.com

What New Yorkers actually believe.
 
2012-01-08 04:45:55 PM
skullkrusher: u mad?

Name: Christopher
Location: Madison, Wisconsin

oh. Just jealous.

Yeah, I know, Madison is the "cool" and "progressive" Wisconsin "city"... it's still in farking Wisconsin.


Jealous of what? Asshole natives? Mouthbreathing thug cops that beat protestors and journalists? A financial district that came close to crashing the nation's economy? A paternalistic creep of a mayor? You mean jealous of that?

Tell you what: even though you prove through your posts what people believe about New Yorkers (arrogant, self-righteous asswipes), us simple minded hicks in Wisconsin will be more than happy to teach the NYPD how not to beat peaceful protestors. We'll even refrain from using lots of big words like "accountability," "rights," and "dignity." And maybe in turn the NYPD can teach us Wisconsin folf how to fudge crime statistics, shoot someone 41 times when they reach for their wallet, or sodomize an immigrant in a cop shop men's room.

I'm not jealous of anything in New York; in fact I find it at best vastly overrated. fark NYC.
 
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