What were they the alternative to? Actually good bands?

Blur? Really?

Woo Hoo!!! and I spit in the middle!! Woo Hoo!!! and I bang on the tivo!!! Woo HOO!!! And I lie in the basement, all of the time that I never chew, and I see you, and I see you!!

/I know, I know..

Yeah they were pop bands, basically oasis was a boy band that could play instruments.

They were not alternative and were barely rock.

steamingpile: Yeah they were pop bands, basically oasis was a boy band that could play instruments.

They were not alternative and were barely rock.

Good boys band and bad boys band? Like Stones and Beatles
/It's called britpop

Oasis is awful

Noel Gallagher says... blah, blah, blah...

Who?

//Champagne What?

rosy621: //Champagne What?

Woo Who?

That Noel Gallagher is full of shiat man. Actual Alternative bands from same era are doing just fine:

TOOL (new window)

10,000 Days is the Grammy Award-winning fourth studio album by American rock band Tool. The album was released on ....May 2 in North America. By the end of 2006 the album had sold almost 3 million copies worldwide and in June 2006 the album was given a Platinum award by the RIAA.
....10,000 Days entered the U.S. Billboard 200 chart at number one, selling 564,000 copies in its first week.....In the UK, the album debuted at #4, the highest chart position they have ever managed in that country.

Alice In Chains (new window)

Black Gives Way to Blue is the fourth studio album by the American rock band Alice in Chains, released in September 2009...The album has been certified gold by the RIAA on May 26, 2010....
.....Black Gives Way to Blue debuted at #5 on the Billboard 200, selling 126,000 in its first week, and entered the UK charts at number 19 on October 5, 2009.

g-booby: That Noel Gallagher is full of shiat man. Actual Alternative bands from same era are doing just fine:

TOOL (new window)

10,000 Days is the Grammy Award-winning fourth studio album by American rock band Tool. The album was released on ....May 2 in North America. By the end of 2006 the album had sold almost 3 million copies worldwide and in June 2006 the album was given a Platinum award by the RIAA.
....10,000 Days entered the U.S. Billboard 200 chart at number one, selling 564,000 copies in its first week.....In the UK, the album debuted at #4, the highest chart position they have ever managed in that country.

Alice In Chains (new window)

Black Gives Way to Blue is the fourth studio album by the American rock band Alice in Chains, released in September 2009...The album has been certified gold by the RIAA on May 26, 2010....
.....Black Gives Way to Blue debuted at #5 on the Billboard 200, selling 126,000 in its first week, and entered the UK charts at number 19 on October 5, 2009.

It's all very nice, but he's talking about UK charts
/leave him alone

Tarl3k: Blur? Really?

Woo Hoo!!! and I spit in the middle!! Woo Hoo!!! and I bang on the tivo!!! Woo HOO!!! And I lie in the basement, all of the time that I never chew, and I see you, and I see you!!

/I know, I know..

I would implore anybody who thinks this is the extent of Blur's output to check out some of their other songs and/or albums. Maybe start here or perhaps here. Their self titled album and 13 are particularly brilliant, imo.

Every time I read a complaint from Noah Whineagher I get an irrepressible urge to hit him on the back of the head with an aluminium baseball bat.

Alice in chains is alternative?

/I never did figure out quite what defined that genre.

Clearly Gallagher had never heard of an obscure and immensely talented individual named Fred Durst and his band Limp Bizkit.

That's why I explicitly put the UK charting info in my post sir :)

/saw AIC on the BGWTB tour
//will see TOOL in 10,000 (- 9,991) days
///WOOHOO

Alice In Chains was grunge, Tool was metal, neither were alternative. The first two Oasis albums were really good, As far as Blur Modern Life is Rubbish and Parklife are brilliant.


This is a low, Blue Jeans, Resigned, etc.Genius.

Nana's Vibrator: Clearly Gallagher had never heard of an obscure and immensely talented individual named Fred Durst and his band Limp Bizkit.

Given how successful that band was and how much so many hate it, I'm not sure if serious.

styckx: It's the reason rock stations can still play bands from the early 90s one second and then bands from today the next and they blend right into each other because it's essentially the same old shiat..

I bet you don't listen to "today's bands".

Arcade Fire sounds like Nirvana?

Whatever, when I heard Bush had a new album my head nearly imploded cus I hadn't heard anyone talk about them for almost a decade.

g-booby: That's why I explicitly put the UK charting info in my post sir :)

/saw AIC on the BGWTB tour
//will see TOOL in 10,000 (- 9,991) days
///WOOHOO

Blur + Oasis in UK - 12 #1 albums
Tool + AiC in UK - #4 album, #16 album #19 album

happydude45: Alice In Chains was grunge, Tool was metal, neither were alternative. The first two Oasis albums were really good, As far as Blur Modern Life is Rubbish and Parklife are brilliant.


This is a low, Blue Jeans, Resigned, etc.Genius.

OK then, are you gonna argue that Primus is not Alternative? (new window)

Green Naugahyde is the seventh studio album by alternative rock group Primus, released by ATO Records and Prawn Song on September 12, 2011 in Europe, and on September 13, 2011 in the United States.

US Billboard 200 Peak Position #15
Chart Log UK Albums 200 Peak Position #115 ( I concede that this a relatively low UK ranking, for sake of argument)

/saw this tour with my 11 y/o back in November...blew his frickin mind

Alternative is a stupid way to label music. It is all rock and roll

I know Primus, they're in a different category altogether with Zappa & Beefheart. They are great.

yeah....not so much.

He must live in a very isolated world.
With his head up his ass.

Neither Oasis nor Blur were ever "great" bands.
And the term "alternative" has always been a joke.

Alternative means an alternative to pop driven crap.
Oasis WAS the pop driven crap.

Mogwai are a great Alternative band for instance, extant since Oasheeeeeiit..

LewDux: steamingpile: Yeah they were pop bands, basically oasis was a boy band that could play instruments.

They were not alternative and were barely rock.

Good boys band and bad boys band? Like Stones and Beatles
/It's called britpop

No the stones and beatles are rock bands, maybe the beatles started out as pop but morphed into rock.

Oasis is an average image band who is the definition of right place, right time luck, blur had better musicians in the band. If it wasn't for teenage girls oasis would have been nothing.

Just to clarify: I am not arguing that TOOL, AIC, or Primus are any better or worse the Oasis or Blur. We don't need to start going down that road.

What I am saying is that Noel Gallagher is full of shiat when making the statement that they(Oasis and Blur) are "the last" of "great alternative" bands to chart (US or UK.) TOOL, AIC, & Primus were classified as alternative, just as this asshat was, during the same era; and I am classifying them the same now, as when orignally debuted (for sake of argument.)

/For the record, I like Oasis' music and because they are ginormous Beatlemaniacs, just like me.
//do not want to start a Beatles flame war
///end rant

"Alternative" meant something at some point, by the mid-90's it was a meaningless label that was applied to basically everything that wasn't Color Me Badd or Aerosmith.

/Pulp destroys both of them

styckx: Smackledorfer: Alice in chains is alternative?

/I never did figure out quite what defined that genre.

It made sense in the early 90s and 80s when there was a need for an alternative for people who enjoyed rock music but hated hair metal.. Then those bands in the early 90s that were once "alternative" became mainstream.. So now, basically at this point hair metal would actually be considered alternative to the clean and polished version of grunge that has stuck around ever since and dominates the industry. It's the reason rock stations can still play bands from the early 90s one second and then bands from today the next and they blend right into each other because it's essentially the same old shiat..

Same? Not even close, a poor copy of them? Yes.

g-booby: That Noel Gallagher is full of shiat man. Actual Alternative bands from same era are doing just fine:

TOOL (new window)

10,000 Days is the Grammy Award-winning fourth studio album by American rock band Tool. The album was released on ....May 2 in North America. By the end of 2006 the album had sold almost 3 million copies worldwide and in June 2006 the album was given a Platinum award by the RIAA.
....10,000 Days entered the U.S. Billboard 200 chart at number one, selling 564,000 copies in its first week.....In the UK, the album debuted at #4, the highest chart position they have ever managed in that country.

TOOL is still great if you're into the whole emo/i-have-it-so-rough/poor-me thing. For everyone else, they died long ago.

g-booby: Just to clarify: I am not arguing that TOOL, AIC, or Primus are any better or worse the Oasis or Blur. We don't need to start going down that road.

What I am saying is that Noel Gallagher is full of shiat when making the statement that they(Oasis and Blur) are "the last" of "great alternative" bands to chart (US or UK.) TOOL, AIC, & Primus were classified as alternative, just as this asshat was, during the same era; and I am classifying them the same now, as when orignally debuted (for sake of argument.)

/For the record, I like Oasis' music and because they are ginormous Beatlemaniacs, just like me.
//do not want to start a Beatles flame war
///end rant

He's talking about TOTP which is for UK charts. And since T AIC or P never toped UK charts he is correct

I thinks he's just unhappy that pop/rock's Sun is Setting

digistil: g-booby: That Noel Gallagher is full of shiat man. Actual Alternative bands from same era are doing just fine:

TOOL (new window)

10,000 Days is the Grammy Award-winning fourth studio album by American rock band Tool. The album was released on ....May 2 in North America. By the end of 2006 the album had sold almost 3 million copies worldwide and in June 2006 the album was given a Platinum award by the RIAA.
....10,000 Days entered the U.S. Billboard 200 chart at number one, selling 564,000 copies in its first week.....In the UK, the album debuted at #4, the highest chart position they have ever managed in that country.

TOOL is still great if you're into the whole emo/i-have-it-so-rough/poor-me thing. For everyone else, they died long ago.

Tool is emo now? Maynard should have never penned Wings For Mary

digistil: I would agree that the lyrics, and even Maynard's vocals, are a shell compared to OGT. I do however still find them interesting sonically and composition-wise; Danny Carey is one of my music idols.

I get that they are not everyone's cup of tea, then or now, and I'm ok with people not liking them for numerous reasons.

I'd say Dinosaur Jr., yeah, yeah, I know they didn't really hit the charts.
/and that's fine

BarbadoSlim: Every time I read a complaint from Noah Whineagher I get an irrepressible urge to hit him on the back of the head with an aluminium baseball bat.

MY NAME IS MUD
bingity bingity bingity bingity bingity bingity

g-booby: That Noel Gallagher is full of shiat man. Actual Alternative bands from same era are doing just fine:

TOOL (new window)

10,000 Days is the Grammy Award-winning fourth studio album by American rock band Tool. The album was released on ....May 2 in North America. By the end of 2006 the album had sold almost 3 million copies worldwide and in June 2006 the album was given a Platinum award by the RIAA.
....10,000 Days entered the U.S. Billboard 200 chart at number one, selling 564,000 copies in its first week.....In the UK, the album debuted at #4, the highest chart position they have ever managed in that country.

Alice In Chains (new window)

Black Gives Way to Blue is the fourth studio album by the American rock band Alice in Chains, released in September 2009...The album has been certified gold by the RIAA on May 26, 2010....
.....Black Gives Way to Blue debuted at #5 on the Billboard 200, selling 126,000 in its first week, and entered the UK charts at number 19 on October 5, 2009.


The day i judge what a good band is by grammy nominations/wins, billboard charts, or whatever the hell the RIAA says, I want to be ass farked with a traffic cone.

swahnhennessy: /Pulp destroys both of them

Finally some sense!

I think sometimes people need to go back and listen to the music they listened to in high school. They will see its not as ground-breaking as they remember

He went on to add: "Every song sounded like it came from the same field of music. There was a rap in there somewhere, everyone sang in a transatlantic soul voice and it was rubbish.

Link (new window)

Oasis is mainly popular for publicly fighting. Beyond that, they released very clean sounding Beatles mash-ups.

Malcolm_Sex: I think sometimes people need to go back and listen to the music they listened to in high school. They will see its not as ground-breaking as they remember

Tubthumping was revolutionary damnit!

Pissing the night away, pissing the night away (back up vocals)

He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink

Those lyrics inspired much of my senior year.

LewDux: I am going concede the discussion here; not being in the Eurozone and not knowing all of the charting entities over there or how they rank in importance to the industry. From that side of the pond your discussion point (TOTP) may make more sense or hold more water. I was trying to take citation from familiar chart that is same entity(Billboard) in both US and UK to be objective. I will go Vanderbeek-cry myself now, sorry for being globally inclusive in making a case against a narrowly narcissistic statement from Noel Gallagher. Maybe he will sleep with you at this point in his career, I don't know.

BTW, the article generically references "the charts" more than once, and that Gallagher formed his quoted opinion after watching one(Christmas) episode of TOTP. He then went further on, via direct quote, to label themselves as "BritPop"; hardly "alternative" in any sense of the word.

Enjoy Oaisis and Blur when they come to your town next time.

Tarl3k: Blur? Really?

Woo Hoo!!! and I spit in the middle!! Woo Hoo!!! and I bang on the tivo!!! Woo HOO!!! And I lie in the basement, all of the time that I never chew, and I see you, and I see you!!

/I know, I know..

Song #2 is hardly indicative of their catalog and was composed as a parody of grunge.

Citation (new window).