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2012-01-08 09:17:37 AM
PC people,

Please keep your horse and buggies to the shoulder of the road.
 
2012-01-08 09:20:33 AM

jso2897: tomWright: Oh, and for the snobs out there running Apple or Linux who think they do not need AV software, thanks for being a reservoir of infection and passing on infected emails and files that you never scan.

/bunch of typhoid Marys
//or HIV Deans

You actually make a pretty good point - just because something doesn't effect your system doesn't mean it won't eff up someone else's.


Sort of ironic that this is exactly the same reason for humans to get (flu) virus shots.
 
2012-01-08 09:24:18 AM

KimNorth: "Microsoft Corp, for example, in 2003 began allowing governments including Russia and international organizations such as NATO to look at the source code for its Windows operating system to dispel rumors that it had a secret "back door" built in to let the U.S. government spy on its users."

Please this was their way of getting the source code info to spy on others, tricky, tricky......


Not really my area of expertise, but it would seem like it would take tens or hundreds of man-years to verify that there were no back-doors in the Windows source code. Am I missing something?
 
2012-01-08 09:24:19 AM
Gah, S.E.P. S.U.X.

I don't remember the last time it actually stopped an infection.
 
2012-01-08 09:24:25 AM
Symantec has become such a resource hogging, harassing, nagging piece of software I actually now consider it malware.

If you happen to let it expire, it turns into the software equivalent of a family annihilator. You think you're going to divorce me?! Then I'm going to smother the kids, burn down the house, and blow my brains out.
 
2012-01-08 09:26:06 AM

mr_a: KimNorth: "Microsoft Corp, for example, in 2003 began allowing governments including Russia and international organizations such as NATO to look at the source code for its Windows operating system to dispel rumors that it had a secret "back door" built in to let the U.S. government spy on its users."

Please this was their way of getting the source code info to spy on others, tricky, tricky......

Not really my area of expertise, but it would seem like it would take tens or hundreds of man-years to verify that there were no back-doors in the Windows source code. Am I missing something?


Ruskies just finished verifying Windows 95 OSR2.5, they're starting on 98 now.
 
2012-01-08 09:26:58 AM

tomWright: Oh, and for the snobs out there running Apple or Linux who think they do not need AV software, thanks for being a reservoir of infection and passing on infected emails and files that you never scan.


I'm not slowing down my computer scanning for all the crap to which your computer is susceptible. If you choose Windows as your OS, that's fine -- but you get to protect it.
 
2012-01-08 09:27:52 AM
A simple test of practically any industry is to see how easy it is to contact someone at each company. Norton has no way to report threats. It figures.
 
2012-01-08 09:29:20 AM

david_gaithersburg: What are these things you people speak of?

signed,
Mac user


Viruses, you've probably never heard of it.
 
2012-01-08 09:30:46 AM
Ultimately, this is going to have little effect on Symantec as a company, considering that their main client base, middle-aged, computer illiterate housewives, do not read tech news, and already have granted full admin rights to every shady piece of software in existence, while running on an unprotected wireless network with the default router password still in place.
 
2012-01-08 09:37:03 AM

Boomhauer: tomWright: Oh, and for the snobs out there running Apple or Linux who think they do not need AV software, thanks for being a reservoir of infection and passing on infected emails and files that you never scan.

I'm not slowing down my computer scanning orgasm protecting for all the crap to which your computer body is susceptible. If you choose Windows as your OS to play in the same place as me, that's fine -- but you get to protect it.


I'll bet you say that to all the girls


I'm not slowing down my computer scanning risking my kids exposure to mercury protecting for all the crap to which your computer kid is susceptible. If you choose Windows as your OS to have a kid, that's fine -- but you get to protect it.

or parents
 
2012-01-08 09:37:45 AM

Boomhauer: tomWright: Oh, and for the snobs out there running Apple or Linux who think they do not need AV software, thanks for being a reservoir of infection and passing on infected emails and files that you never scan.

I'm not slowing down my computer scanning for all the crap to which your computer is susceptible. If you choose Windows as your OS, that's fine -- but you get to protect it.


I don't feel that way. Now, I don't really have to worry about Emails, since my browsers/Email services screen for malware on any platform - but I'm cautious about passing files from my Linux boxes to people using Windows. I wouldn't want to be responsible for messing up somebody else's machine - it would make me feel bad.
 
2012-01-08 09:44:15 AM
CHING CHANG CHONG
 
2012-01-08 09:47:25 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: CHING CHANG CHONG


I'm pretty sure we have a nominee here for "Worst Poster on Fark".
 
2012-01-08 09:48:47 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: CHING CHANG CHONG


Wrong thread or not, that was funny.
 
2012-01-08 09:49:41 AM
Okay, so there have been votes for TrendMicro, MSE, Eset, and Avast!.

I'm getting a new PC next month, and like many here, have had Norton on my system and am tired of the bloatware, memory hog, and "helpful reminders." Any further suggestions?
 
2012-01-08 09:50:57 AM
I have no sympathy for that shiatty company and its shiatty software.
 
2012-01-08 09:55:51 AM

Wodan11: Okay, so there have been votes for TrendMicro, MSE, Eset, and Avast!.

I'm getting a new PC next month, and like many here, have had Norton on my system and am tired of the bloatware, memory hog, and "helpful reminders." Any further suggestions?


Trendmicro is just sort of there.
MSE is free and solid from what I have heard
Eset is excellent
Avast have they moved away from their free version? I can't speak for any retail version
 
2012-01-08 09:58:28 AM

doglover: cmunic8r99: doglover: Who uses Norton anymore? Is it '96 again?

only about a gazillion enterprises use Symantec's antivirus/anti-malware applications for mail, server, and endpoint protection

Attempting to give a shiat.....................aborted.


I know Symantec is big, but they also suck the long cock. Have you ever had that shiatty software on your computer? If so, you know I'm right.


This. The very idea of someone bragging about stealing the source code brought about much joy and laughter. It's like stealing an empty ATM.
 
2012-01-08 09:58:59 AM

Wodan11: Okay, so there have been votes for TrendMicro, MSE, Eset, and Avast!.

I'm getting a new PC next month, and like many here, have had Norton on my system and am tired of the bloatware, memory hog, and "helpful reminders." Any further suggestions?


OS X
 
2012-01-08 10:00:05 AM
"This is our world now. The world of the electron and the switch; the beauty of the baud. We exist without nationality, skin color, or religious bias. You wage wars, murder, cheat, lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto." Huh? Right? Manifesto? "You may stop me, but you can't stop us all."
 
2012-01-08 10:00:34 AM
Oh no...that means the hackers will use the Symantec source code and make their own product that will be just like Norton, except it will be FREE!

Wait, I shouldn't be panicking over that. That would be FREAKING HILARIOUS!
 
2012-01-08 10:01:33 AM

Klitch:
You're so awesome how you don't use mainstream stuff, how can I be more like you?


Realize what sucks, quit using it, but make a living off of those that do. Simple formula really. It's the same thing that happens when a mechanic for an automotive company drives some other manufacturers car for his own use because he knows it's better.
 
2012-01-08 10:01:48 AM

Nefarious: Wodan11: Okay, so there have been votes for TrendMicro, MSE, Eset, and Avast!.

I'm getting a new PC next month, and like many here, have had Norton on my system and am tired of the bloatware, memory hog, and "helpful reminders." Any further suggestions?

Trendmicro is just sort of there.
MSE is free and solid from what I have heard
Eset is excellent
Avast have they moved away from their free version? I can't speak for any retail version


I'll throw my vote in for MSE. I used to use AVG, before I realized that it had turned into a bloated resource hog that was dragging my computer down. As has been said, not a lot of bells and whistles, but it's solid and gets the job done.
 
2012-01-08 10:02:17 AM

cmunic8r99: doglover: Who uses Norton anymore? Is it '96 again?

only about a gazillion enterprises companies that made horrible business decisions use Symantec's antivirus/anti-malware applications for mail, server, and endpoint protection


There, fixed that for ya.
 
2012-01-08 10:02:35 AM

Marcintosh: Wodan11: Okay, so there have been votes for TrendMicro, MSE, Eset, and Avast!.

I'm getting a new PC next month, and like many here, have had Norton on my system and am tired of the bloatware, memory hog, and "helpful reminders." Any further suggestions?

OS X


This is FARK not computer forum. I recommend PACKARD BELL. 486SX/33 with 4 mb of ram
 
2012-01-08 10:05:06 AM
Recently bought a netbook with McAffe pre-installed. It did nothing but pop-up reminders about buying a year-long subscription (apparently they're on the MMO pay-system now) and fire-bomb my email address harassing me about how stupid I am for not protecting my PC. What a monster that thing was.
 
2012-01-08 10:05:23 AM

jso2897: Lando Lincoln: pecosdave: I quit using Windows all together sometime in 2000 (started to slowly move away in 98)

And when did you get rid of your TV?

When he traded it in for a "fixie".


Still got a TV. Don't actually watch "TV" much, but I've got a pile of movies and video games.

I think fixies are stupid for all but a couple of purposes and don't ride one. I have two 24" and one 26" BMX and a 3 speed 26" comfort bike.

I have never tried a Pabst - I mostly drink Shiner beers or hard cider.

No glasses, shaved head, drink lots of coffee, hipsters hate me because I'm a Libertarian instead of a left wingers which means I'm not mainstream enough for them.
 
2012-01-08 10:07:00 AM

Wodan11: Okay, so there have been votes for TrendMicro, MSE, Eset, and Avast!.

I'm getting a new PC next month, and like many here, have had Norton on my system and am tired of the bloatware, memory hog, and "helpful reminders." Any further suggestions?


Have you checked out the new Tandys?
 
2012-01-08 10:07:20 AM

pecosdave: I stopped using Ghost a short time after Symantec/Norton bought it.

I, except for a one month experiment or so in 98, never used an anti-virus on my own stuff (and never got a virus)

I quit using Windows all together sometime in 2000 (started to slowly move away in 98)

My secondary job often consist of taking care of problems caused by crap like this.

In other words:

I'm okay with this!


To be fair, porn was a bit cleaner in 1998...
 
2012-01-08 10:11:45 AM

Marcintosh: OS X


The problem with that is the same as it's always been... fewer software choices, compatibility issues, etc. I do a lot of work for clients, and I can't take a Mac in to their offices and plug and play like a PC. A Mac is great if you're a barista. We can't even say Macs do creative better, because that's not true anymore.
 
2012-01-08 10:12:46 AM

BarbadoSlim: Have you checked out the new Tandys?


Nice.
 
SH
2012-01-08 10:14:44 AM

Klitch: You're so awesome how you don't use mainstream stuff, how can I be more like you?



Develop your brain. Don't be part of the herd.
 
2012-01-08 10:16:51 AM
Another vote for MSE here.
 
2012-01-08 10:20:46 AM

pecosdave: jso2897: Lando Lincoln: pecosdave: I quit using Windows all together sometime in 2000 (started to slowly move away in 98)

And when did you get rid of your TV?

When he traded it in for a "fixie".

Still got a TV. Don't actually watch "TV" much, but I've got a pile of movies and video games.

I think fixies are stupid for all but a couple of purposes and don't ride one. I have two 24" and one 26" BMX and a 3 speed 26" comfort bike.

I have never tried a Pabst - I mostly drink Shiner beers or hard cider.

No glasses, shaved head, drink lots of coffee, hipsters hate me because I'm a Libertarian instead of a left wingers which means I'm not mainstream enough for them.


Self-serious, much?
Sheeesh.
 
2012-01-08 10:20:54 AM
OH NO WHAT WILL WE DO!?!

Oh that's right, this development is farking meaningless.
 
2012-01-08 10:21:09 AM

jso2897:
Well, presumably he understands that not everyone has his options. I no longer use Windows for much of anything but gaming or safe net surfing either, but I am self-employed, and work from home, and have that option. The average IT guy, slaving away in the bowels of the Beast doesn't have those options, and I doubt he's too dumb to know that.


We have a winner!

My (nearly) nine year old has been using Linux off and on since about the age of four. Even though I hate Apple her "big" computer at my apartment is a dual G5 because pre-OSX Macs had some of the very best educational programs and the dual G5 will actually run a good portion of the newer stuff. It's a great kids computer. Her little eee netbook has a 4GB mini-PCI Express SSD which holds a very stripped down version of an old eeeBuntu along with ZSNES and some games. Her 32GB SD card is full of DVD's that I ripped, converted to 96Kbps stereo and scaled down. They look great on that little under powered unit but would never suggest anyone who wasn't a competent tech doing something like this and handing it to a kid that was I think five at the time I did it. Maybe this makes me a hipster, but I seriously doubt it.

Okay, I do something really ironic so maybe I'm a hipster. I'm a hardcore libertarian and I work on a government contract. It's the job market, I follow the money, I've worked for small places to, but the government contract was hiring so - free market?
 
SH
2012-01-08 10:24:07 AM
The real news about this story is actually the hackers uncovered this:

/. (new window)
 
2012-01-08 10:24:14 AM

SH: Develop your brain. Don't be part of the herd


Actually, what you are failing to realize is that hipsterism is in itself a 'herd'. It's actually an even worse herd than the mainstream herd, because it has an added level of irony, and it's cattle are so self-assured of their uniqueness and superior individuality that it's almost impossible for them to even consider they might be cattle.

Whereas at least the mainstream herd has a reasonable chance of recognizing their own herd-like behavior.

I hope you understand what I'm saying here. It's sort of like how skaters and goths and art chicks all think they're being non-conformists by not wearing Old Navy clothes or listening to bands more than 5 people have ever heard of....except they somehow fail to notice that they're all wearing the same 'uniform', where their uniform is so standard, and so conformist that you can actually categorize them based on their slavish patterns of clothing, music appreciation, and mannerisms...

Please. Don't ever be proud of your non-adherence to the mainstream, because in all likelihood, you're at least twice as much of a cliche as those you think you've ascended beyond.
 
2012-01-08 10:24:30 AM

IXI Jim IXI:

To be fair, porn was a bit cleaner in 1998...


Ahhh - to remember the days when porn video downloads were "free" but each site had their own "player" that required purchase and upgrade, and was full of early version spyware. The "free" players that got around that but were full of virus's. Those were the days of easy tech money. 1997 was about the time those players fell out of vogue.
 
2012-01-08 10:27:36 AM
Avast is the longest I've kept one AV software.. AVG had it going good for awhile until they turned completely bloat.. Avast and Node32 > *..
 
2012-01-08 10:30:00 AM

Wodan11: Okay, so there have been votes for TrendMicro, MSE, Eset, and Avast!.

Any further suggestions?


My vote is for Panda. Anyone else like it?
 
2012-01-08 10:41:23 AM
I use Antivirii 2011, I'm not sure where I got it, but it popped up one time when I was randomly surfing the net. It's pretty good, it finds things ALL the time and then it directs me to new software to get rid of the things it finds and automatically charges a fee to the credit card I gave it. Usually it's cheaper then me bringing it into The Geek Squad and saves me the drive! It does slow down my computer quite a bit, but maybe mine is just getting old, it's been 11 months since I bought my last one.
 
2012-01-08 10:41:36 AM

pecosdave: jso2897:
Well, presumably he understands that not everyone has his options. I no longer use Windows for much of anything but gaming or safe net surfing either, but I am self-employed, and work from home, and have that option. The average IT guy, slaving away in the bowels of the Beast doesn't have those options, and I doubt he's too dumb to know that.

We have a winner!

My (nearly) nine year old has been using Linux off and on since about the age of four. Even though I hate Apple her "big" computer at my apartment is a dual G5 because pre-OSX Macs had some of the very best educational programs and the dual G5 will actually run a good portion of the newer stuff. It's a great kids computer. Her little eee netbook has a 4GB mini-PCI Express SSD which holds a very stripped down version of an old eeeBuntu along with ZSNES and some games. Her 32GB SD card is full of DVD's that I ripped, converted to 96Kbps stereo and scaled down. They look great on that little under powered unit but would never suggest anyone who wasn't a competent tech doing something like this and handing it to a kid that was I think five at the time I did it. Maybe this makes me a hipster, but I seriously doubt it.

Okay, I do something really ironic so maybe I'm a hipster. I'm a hardcore libertarian and I work on a government contract. It's the job market, I follow the money, I've worked for small places to, but the government contract was hiring so - free market?


Cool. For a minute there, I thought you thought i was trying to insult you or something. The "fixie" remark was a dumb, and I thought obvious, joke.
Anyway, there is no such thing as a "hipster" - it's a false construct, like "boomer", or "elitist".
 
2012-01-08 10:42:07 AM

Nuclear Pancake: Mmmm... Symantic.. Crap bloatware.

/dnrtfa


Apparently, some people still pay for anti-virus software?
 
2012-01-08 10:47:11 AM

LarryDan43: I use Antivirii 2011, I'm not sure where I got it, but it popped up one time when I was randomly surfing the net. It's pretty good, it finds things ALL the time and then it directs me to new software to get rid of the things it finds and automatically charges a fee to the credit card I gave it. Usually it's cheaper then me bringing it into The Geek Squad and saves me the drive! It does slow down my computer quite a bit, but maybe mine is just getting old, it's been 11 months since I bought my last one.


i217.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-08 10:52:42 AM
Hackers (crackers, actually) don't bother messing with McAfee because it does more damage on its own than they ever could.
 
2012-01-08 10:53:03 AM

Wodan11: Marcintosh: OS X

The problem with that is the same as it's always been... fewer software choices, compatibility issues, etc. I do a lot of work for clients, and I can't take a Mac in to their offices and plug and play like a PC. A Mac is great if you're a barista. We can't even say Macs do creative better, because that's not true anymore.


Those issues are 20 years old.
 
2012-01-08 10:55:06 AM

Wodan11: A Mac is great if you're a barista


Oh snap. I've never heard it put that way.
 
2012-01-08 11:01:45 AM
what I find odd is that Symantec,Microsoft and others will give up their source codes to govts but Diebold and ESS who make electronic voting machines won't.
 
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