violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

How am I in before Highlander remarks?

Sometimes you have to quit while you're a head.

The Ghost of Tom Ace: violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

As if Father's Day wasn't confusing enough down there.

They should put their heads together and figure this out

Mr. Potatoass: Sometimes you have to quit while you're a head.

I guess you could say they'll never be the, heads, of a major drug cartel?

violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

Yup, legalizing drugs will make everyone come together, singing on a mountaintop how they wish they could buy the world a Coke.

If you lose your head it's all over.

/The autopsy include the use of a variant of the family board game Twister in which to determine which head belongs to which body when they have been located. Authorities stated "They would leave no Barito unturned"

shinji3i: Mr. Potatoass: Sometimes you have to quit while you're a head.

I guess you could say they'll never be the, heads, of a major drug cartel?

It's no way to get a head in life.

hbk72777: violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

Yup, legalizing drugs will make everyone come together, singing on a mountaintop how they wish they could buy the world a Coke.

No, but it will de-fund a large number of violent organizations with operations in both Mexico and the US overnight... At least until they get involved with Mexican labor unions.

Harv72b: [cf2.imgobject.com image 640x360]

Wanted for questioning

and we're done here!

/end scene
//curtain

autopsybeverage: hbk72777: violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

Yup, legalizing drugs will make everyone come together, singing on a mountaintop how they wish they could buy the world a Coke.

No, but it will de-fund a large number of violent organizations with operations in both Mexico and the US overnight... At least until they get involved with Mexican labor unions.

How much of the drug money to funnels to Mexico cartels is from marijuana? I'm asking this honestly, since I have no idea about the proportion of drug money for weed vs. cocaine, heroine, and other illegal drugs. Or, are you suggesting that all drugs be legalized?

I'm just curious whether legalizing pot really would significantly reduce cartel violence in Mexico.

autopsybeverage: hbk72777: violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

Yup, legalizing drugs will make everyone come together, singing on a mountaintop how they wish they could buy the world a Coke.

No, but it will de-fund a large number of violent organizations with operations in both Mexico and the US overnight... At least until they get involved with Mexican labor unions.

How would it defund them? They would just be going to war to be a supplier of a now legal drug.

autopsybeverage: hbk72777: violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

Yup, legalizing drugs will make everyone come together, singing on a mountaintop how they wish they could buy the world a Coke.

No, but it will de-fund a large number of violent organizations with operations in both Mexico and the US overnight... At least until they get involved with Mexican labor unions.



OK I'll bite...

What happens next when you make an organization who will kill or skin someone alive (I've seen it) have their profit margins become less profitable? I don't exactly see them getting into the auto business if their drug business goes down.

Do you really want to make them mad? I don't... and I don't have a solution to the problem.

There are things that are so vile they are not worth legalizing one bit.

WxGuy1: autopsybeverage: hbk72777: violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

Yup, legalizing drugs will make everyone come together, singing on a mountaintop how they wish they could buy the world a Coke.

No, but it will de-fund a large number of violent organizations with operations in both Mexico and the US overnight... At least until they get involved with Mexican labor unions.

How much of the drug money to funnels to Mexico cartels is from marijuana? I'm asking this honestly, since I have no idea about the proportion of drug money for weed vs. cocaine, heroine, and other illegal drugs. Or, are you suggesting that all drugs be legalized?

I'm just curious whether legalizing pot really would significantly reduce cartel violence in Mexico.

I don't have hard numbers in front of me, and those numbers that are available are based on cop math, but if you watch any given episode of Border Wars or similar documentaries that follow the lives of US border patrol agents, you will probably see giant, hay-bale sized bricks of confiscated marijuana. Sure there are other drugs involved, but real information is difficult to ascertain. It certainly wouldn't help the cartels to legalize pot across the board.

phlegmmo: Giltric: How would it defund them? They would just be going to war to be a supplier of a now legal drug.

Indeed.

Yeah, just like how McDonald's sends hit men over to Burger King every day.

From the dawn of time we came, moving silently down through the centuries. Living many secret lives, struggling to reach the time of the Gathering, when the few who remain will battle to the last. No one has ever known we were among you..... ...until now.

Smurfme: phlegmmo: Giltric: How would it defund them? They would just be going to war to be a supplier of a now legal drug.

Indeed.

Yeah, just like how McDonald's sends hit men over to Burger King every day.

The drug trade was born of blood, the fast food industry not so much......

autopsybeverage: WxGuy1: autopsybeverage: hbk72777: violentsalvation: By golly it will be nice to live in a drug free America, no cost is too great to legislate morality. Thanks headless innocents. Thanks Calderón. Thanks DEA. Thanks Bush. Thanks Obama. Thanks idiots.

Yup, legalizing drugs will make everyone come together, singing on a mountaintop how they wish they could buy the world a Coke.

No, but it will de-fund a large number of violent organizations with operations in both Mexico and the US overnight... At least until they get involved with Mexican labor unions.

How much of the drug money to funnels to Mexico cartels is from marijuana? I'm asking this honestly, since I have no idea about the proportion of drug money for weed vs. cocaine, heroine, and other illegal drugs. Or, are you suggesting that all drugs be legalized?

I'm just curious whether legalizing pot really would significantly reduce cartel violence in Mexico.

I don't have hard numbers in front of me, and those numbers that are available are based on cop math, but if you watch any given episode of Border Wars or similar documentaries that follow the lives of US border patrol agents, you will probably see giant, hay-bale sized bricks of confiscated marijuana. Sure there are other drugs involved, but real information is difficult to ascertain. It certainly wouldn't help the cartels to legalize pot across the board.

I'd wager the cartels would run ops against large scale growers in the US if marijuana was legalized.

Too large an amount of money involved, legal or illegal.........

Probably just a dead hydra.

Legalize drugs, all this shiat stops, but then again politicians lose power and money....I guess next thing to be illegal is booze, wait...

Tsar_Bomba1: OK I'll bite...

What happens next when you make an organization who will kill or skin someone alive (I've seen it) have their profit margins become less profitable? I don't exactly see them getting into the auto business if their drug business goes down.

Do you really want to make them mad? I don't... and I don't have a solution to the problem.

There are things that are so vile they are not worth legalizing one bit.

These are violent, angry people whether they're awash in cash or not. If we are going to have an enemy (and we do), I would rather have one with fewer resources. I agree with your last point -- human trafficking being the most obvious example that comes to mind. Marijuana, on the other hand, is victimless at its most basic level (that of the end user smoking and eating Doritos), and is dirt-cheap to produce -- it will grow wild just about anywhere. The black market makes it worth something, it's not intrinsic to the product (to briefly answer Giltric's response). Once legal and readily, inexpensively available through standard consumer channels, the product would not have the intrinsic worth to be interesting to crime lords. It would be like watching cartels run ops against beer or cigarette retailers and manufacturers.

I don't think anyone has an air-tight solution to the problem. There might not be one. I would personally be happy if we could find a way to force violent illegal enterprises such as these to down-size to the point that legitimate law enforcement could really put the boots to their necks and make them operate at lower levels, where they're not just doing whatever they please -- carte blanche -- in broad daylight.

Next time the killers really should give the police a heads-up as to where the bodies are. That way they can make heads or tails out of who belongs to what..sheesh, what a job being a M.E. down in Mexico. You are constantly heading off to sick ass crime scenes, and because it's Mexico, you still can't get ahead and live decently with your head above water

Have you tried turning off the TV, sitting down with your Mexican drug cartels, and killing the ever living shiat out of each one?

Any Mexicans that want to get out of that hell hole and come to 'merica should be allowed in quickly. And anyone of them with gang ties shoud be shot and left in the dessert. Double for bowties.

i know in texas you can get weed cheap. so many people bringing it over the border. so i can tell you that theres a pretty good chance that a load of american money gets funneled down there. the cartels are in control they fight constantly and kill and mutilate anyone that gets in their way. ive seen pictures of what they do to people down there. terrible.

also meth. more and more is manufactured down there because of US restrictions on ingredients. so theres that too.

im not saying legalize every drug.... but people will find ways to get what they want. they will pay. as long as that keeps up the mexican drug cartels will prosper.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: Have you tried turning off the TV, sitting down with your Mexican drug cartels, and killing the ever living shiat out of each one?

It would be easier if they didn't own so darned many cops on their side of the border.

WxGuy1: a

I'm just curious whether legalizing pot really would significantly reduce cartel violence in Mexico.

Hint: It isn't pot. Weed is the scapegoat. I live in Pot Country. No one gives a shiat about pot. It's the herion and meth that brings in the $$ and making people twisted. How do you do that? Make your trimmers insane.

//smokes nothing. At all.
///get meth out of humboldt.

autopsybeverage: Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: Have you tried turning off the TV, sitting down with your Mexican drug cartels, and killing the ever living shiat out of each one?

It would be easier if they didn't own so darned many cops on their side of the border.

Itsay wouldsay besay easiersay ifsay yousay shotsay themsay insay thesay headsay!

They found a headless body in drug corridor in southern Arizona yesterday. Related?

A person of interest:


"... a man's decapitated body lying on the floor next to his own severed head. The head, which of this time, has no name."
"I know his name."

The war on drugs is totally worth it.

/kidding
//harm>good

Maybe they don't need bodies?

about nine hundred thousand to go, but you are off to a good start!

Sensitiveborderarea:
Let the drug cartels compete directly with the drug companies on this page. The cartels wouldn't like that, but they're obviously not ever going to become nice just because we keep them highly profitable with our drug prohibition policies. We should tax the sale of every one of those drugs to pay for rehab for people trying to get off the drugs. That sounds funny to me actually, but what we are doing now is worse. Because the drugs are illegal, the premium goes to the cartels who take the risks to get them to the market. If that premium went to rehab centers instead, I think it would be a much better situation. Right now ... the drugs are always available to anyone with the money. Nobody quits because the "drug war" cut off the supply.

Legal drugs and drug companies are what drives politics in Afghanistan. But we all know that violence is absent there after the drug companies move in.

Maybe people should stop buying drugs. Why anyone would inject/inhale/eat something that was most likely up somebody's asshole the day before is beyond me?

Only 5?

Slow day! If we weren't outraged after the narcos hi-jacked the bus last month carrying the American mom with her two teen daughters then killed them just outside Monterray, then humanity is lost.

THOSE WERE WHITE PEOPLE !!!!!!

Single smartest thing I have ever heard about the drug war:
Doc at an inner city hospital, teatotaller, very conservative/ religious person. Never even seen illegal drugs-

"I wish they would legalize this shait so I wouldn't have to spend my life putting kids back together again."

His convienence wasnt the issue. It disgusted him to see how the BLACK MARKET not its products, was destroying lives. Drugs dont shoot people. Drug dealers in illegal enterprises shoot people.

The 2 bars nearest your house are not doing drive bys on each other. They are licensed, taxed and regulated out the wazoo.

It's time to defuse the bomb.

Wanted for questioning.....

The Shuar are now outsourcing?

autopsybeverage: No, but it will de-fund a large number of violent organizations with operations in both Mexico and the US overnight

And as soon as it starts being taxed it will fund a small number of more largely violent organizations with operations on a global scale.
The drug cartels are good at horror, intimidation, and business. But they've got nothing on the "legitimate" markets that in the end are backed up by the same violence or worse (it's just been pushed to the background because people have been less and less resistant and more and more willingly atomized until recently with the debt crises), or the states that create and aid them.

WxGuy1: Or, are you suggesting that all drugs be legalized?

I'm just curious whether legalizing pot really would significantly reduce cartel violence in Mexico.

Not the poster but I'll throw mine in:
1) Yes, I would.
2) Maybe not, maybe so, but the question itself is kind of like the global warming cartoon where the man is saying "But what if we make a better world for nothing?". What if it didn't? Should it still be illegal?