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BMulligan		2012-01-08 02:23:11 PM

Bladel: BMulligan: Too soon to tell:

Iraq

Which?

Good question. I forgot Iraq I, so I guess I'd put that in the "never seem to talk about" category. Iraq II was what I meant when I said "too soon to tell."

enry: We don't really talk about WWI, Spanish American, or most of the Revolutinary War.

There's possibly local history for each but they generallly get reduced to the Archduke Assasination, San Juan Hill, and the White House on fire.

Vietnam has mostly been reduced to the draft and who did/did not serve.

You're right; in each instance, the discussion is superficial at best. Frankly, though, I think the same is probably true of all of our wars except perhaps WWII and the Civil War. For some reason, these two wars alone seem to capture the attention of the History Channel audience. Otherwise, most Americans are happy to boil any war - or any historical event of any kind, really - down to one easily digested soundbite.

MisterLoki		2012-01-08 02:26:57 PM

davidphogan: Ron Paul may be a crazy old racist asshole, but at least he's better than your typical Republican.

The rare accurate, hilarious, and terrifying trifecta.

KiplingKat872		2012-01-08 02:29:04 PM

sheilanagig: KiplingKat872: Really don't know why so many people have a problem with a president having some experience of what is being asked of service personell ti factor into his decisions to go to war.

I'm not saying we want a miltary junta. Being a student of history, I know how important a civilian controlled military is. I'm just tired of watching selfish clueless a-holes frothing at the mouth in their eagernrss to send kids to die. I want to know that the people making those decision understand them fully before putting American bodies in front of enemy guns.

The serviceman or servicewoman writes that blank check, but in return they trust that their lives will not be spent needlessly. And we have seen far too much of that trust violated in the last 11 years.

Amen. This is my feeling too. If you're going to send someone out to put their ass on the line for you, you'd better understand what you're asking for fully. Personally I think that the US military should not be for rent to the highest bidder, ie. corporate interests. It makes a difference.

The problem I have with Ron Paul is that while I can support most of his platform, and would otherwise vote for him, he isn't consistent in his defense of constitutional rights for all citizens. If he's willing to remove them from some of us, he's willing to remove them from all of us, and I have a problem with that. It takes credibility away from his entire platform if he is selective about which citizens get all of their rights and which ones don't.

Yeah, thats the same vibe I get. He has some good ideas, but there are too many planks in his platform that are just farking scary.

KiplingKat872		2012-01-08 02:33:13 PM

BMulligan: Bladel: BMulligan: Too soon to tell:

Iraq

Which?

Good question. I forgot Iraq I, so I guess I'd put that in the "never seem to talk about" category. Iraq II was what I meant when I said "too soon to tell."

enry: We don't really talk about WWI, Spanish American, or most of the Revolutinary War.

There's possibly local history for each but they generallly get reduced to the Archduke Assasination, San Juan Hill, and the White House on fire.

Vietnam has mostly been reduced to the draft and who did/did not serve.

You're right; in each instance, the discussion is superficial at best. Frankly, though, I think the same is probably true of all of our wars except perhaps WWII and the Civil War. For some reason, these two wars alone seem to capture the attention of the History Channel audience. Otherwise, most Americans are happy to boil any war - or any historical event of any kind, really - down to one easily digested soundbite.

That's because the American Civil War and WWII were morally justifiable. We can look back on them without questioning the ethics of our involvement.

sheilanagig		2012-01-08 02:33:39 PM

KiplingKat872: Yeah, thats the same vibe I get. He has some good ideas, but there are too many planks in his platform that are just farking scary.

It's not even as if I'm asking him to give me everything I want in a candidate. If it had been a minor issue, I might be able to overlook it. The trouble is that it isn't a minor issue giving me pause. It's a big farking hole that threatens to unravel his entire platform if it is based on defending the constitution.

thamike		2012-01-08 02:39:34 PM

KiplingKat872: thamike: Darth Macho: No. Instead we'll have 40 years of right-wing candidates justifying the Bush era on the basis that they went to Iraq and thus are the only ones allowed to talk about it.

Still, it's a step up in dialogue. Voluntary career soldiers are totally different than draftees. It basically starts and stops with "I was a soldier and you weren't."--"Yeah, so what?"

Actually the number of soldiers who came back and have been critical of not only strategy, but being there in the first place has definately expanded the dialog.

Yeah. As i was saying, the "I was drafted you dodged" throwaway argument will be phased out for something completely different and probably a lot more interesting and pertinent to the issues.

that bosnian sniper		2012-01-08 02:42:20 PM

Sorry guys, but that was greater than "oh, snap!". There needs to be a level above "oh, snap" reserved for this.

thamike		2012-01-08 02:49:03 PM

that bosnian sniper: Sorry guys, but that was greater than "oh, snap!". There needs to be a level above "oh, snap" reserved for this.

"Ow my balls" could catch on.

Amos Quito		2012-01-08 02:50:46 PM

Love him or hate him, and regardless of whether he actually stands a chance of being elected, I for one am VERY pleased to see Ron Paul stirring up the sludge on the bottom of the pot.

RON PAUL!

Bag of Hammers		2012-01-08 03:15:45 PM

davidphogan: Ron Paul may be a crazy old racist asshole, but at least he's better than your typical Republican.

Being better than the current crop of Republicans is the equivalent of being the smartest member of the Jersey Shore cast.

thamike		2012-01-08 03:31:34 PM

Amos Quito: Love him or hate him, and ~~regardless~~ irregardless of whether he actually stands a chance of being elected, I for one am VERY pleased to see Ron Paul stirring up the sludge on the bottom of the pot.

RON PAUL!

Pet peave.

RedPhoenix122		2012-01-08 03:35:32 PM

thamike: Amos Quito: Love him or hate him, and regardless irregardless of whether he actually stands a chance of being elected, I for one am VERY pleased to see Ron Paul stirring up the sludge on the bottom of the pot.

RON PAUL!

Pet peave.

...I must be missing something.

namatad		2012-01-08 03:37:10 PM

Darth Macho: As if the average Republican voter maintains a consistent view of Vietnam service in relation to candidates.

Bill Clinton: "Draft dodger! He spit on our troops!"

the draft board that it was of interest to Senator Fullbright's office that Bill Clinton, a Rhodes Scholar, should be admitted to the ROTC program... I believe that he purposely deceived me, using the possibility of joining the ROTC as a ploy to work with the draft board to delay his induction and get a new draft classification."[12][13] Although legal, Clinton's actions were criticized by conservatives.

So Clinton legally got a new classification and continued his education.
republicans went all crazy about this

George W. Bush: "Honorably served defending Arkansas' borders. Nobody needed pilots in Vietnam."

hid in the national guard
Bush was favorably treated due to his father's political standing, citing his selection as a pilot despite his low pilot aptitude test scores and his irregular attendance.
was awol in alabama.
his a highly decorated war hero, according to the GOP. (LOLOLOLOL)

John Kerry: "What a liar, fighting in Vietnam and charging into ambushes to get medals. Let's spit on him!"

John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam. he received a number of medals including 3 purple hearts.
He is an actual war hero.
The GOP hate this because it is a fact and counter to what the GOP did during vietnam.

Newt Gingrich: "He would have went but they never asked him to go. Staying at home was his only option."

Gingrich avoided the Vietnam War draft through deferments because he was a student and then a father.
legal, but chicken hawk
at any point in time, newt could have volunteered like millions of others and fought the good fight.
Instead he hid like that coward, clinton!!

some day, it will be legal to kill people who are insane hypocrites who vilify heroes while they are cowards.

hubiestubert		2012-01-08 03:45:19 PM

namatad: Let's be fair, some folks derided McCain's service as well, depending on his particular run. His last one, he was lauded, before, he was belittled. By the exactly the same folks. The Justification Machine rolls along with differential gears depending on who they support at the time.

rewind2846		2012-01-08 03:45:28 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If Newt had been drafted there wouldn't have been a properly-fitting sock or undented bar of soap in the entire barracks

Private Pyle sees what you did there.
www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com

www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com

/locked and loaded

thamike		2012-01-08 03:47:56 PM

RedPhoenix122: ...I must be missing something.

old absurdist joke on fark.

ekdikeo4		2012-01-08 03:51:53 PM

KiplingKat872: Close2TheEdge: I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, I appreciate any time that fat load gets his lunch handed to him. And having it served by Ron Paul, a strange freakish old man, makes it all the more delightful. Still, I don't subscribe to the idea that a President MUST have had military service to be qualified to order men into combat. One of the hallmarks of our democracy is civilian control of the military. Let the military get too clubby and start making all their own decisions, and you have the massive waste and fraud we have at best, and North Korea at worst.

What we really need in this country is a draft. The real chickenhawks are average citizens who scream GO BOMB IRAN BACK TO STONE AGE when they have no real risk of ever seeing combat. As a country, we might be more tempered in our decision to use military force if we had to really sacrifice in the use of it.

//BTW, I have a 17 year old son so I understand the risks here.

A draft during their lifetime didn't teach many of these clowns because they got out of it.

While I hate drafts (the best militaries are volunteer militaries, drafts are good for nothing but to create cannonfodder) do think some form of mandatory national service, like the Swiss have but for both genders, could be very useful.

I will be seriously glad that in the next few election cycles, we'll finally see what happens when all the people who were around during the era of the draft, are too damn old to run.

TheBigJerk		2012-01-08 03:55:28 PM

Coelacanth: When I was growing up in California which was then under the tightfisted rule of Governor Ronald Reagan, the only draft-dodgers I ever knew were the children of my mother's rich and conservative cousins. If they couldn't get a break like good ole Newtie here, they would end up serving in a champagne unit like the one George Walker Bush was in. Meanwhile, my mother's cousins were hellbent on trying to get my brothers and I into the service and on the front lines of Vietnam before were were even draft age. They had this plan to 'invest' our insurance money for our mother after we died.

I learned all I needed to know about Republicans from those days.

You know I shouldn't find this post funny, but I really do. One of those "funny because it's true" moments I suppose. . .

TheBigJerk		2012-01-08 03:59:50 PM

enry: enry: BMulligan: johnnyrocket: I still find it amazing we're still talking about Vietnam. I don't see us talking about Iraq in 40 years.

Wars we still talk about despite the passage of time:

Viet Nam
WWII
WWI
Spanish American War (Cuban theater)
Civil War
Revolutionary War

Wars we never seem to talk about:

Panama
Granada
Korea
Spanish American War (Philippine theater)
Mexican War
War of 1812

Too soon to tell:

Iraq
Afghanistan

We don't really talk about WWI, Spanish American, or most of the Revolutinary War.

There's possibly local history for each but they generallly get reduced to the Archduke Assasination, San Juan Hill, and the White House on fire.

Vietnam has mostly been reduced to the draft and who did/did not serve.

Err..not White House on fire. I meant Washington crossing the river.

/Had 1812 on the brain which you accurately said isn't discussed anymore.

We'll talk about Enduring Freedom but ignore Desert Storm.

When I was in school we talked about 1812, we just tend to ignore large swaths of it, largely for the same reason we can't seem to STOP talking about Vietnam, i.e. no clear mission, no clear victory.

RedPhoenix122		2012-01-08 04:01:38 PM

thamike: RedPhoenix122: ...I must be missing something.

old absurdist joke on fark.

Ahh...I guess I had to be there.

namatad		2012-01-08 04:06:33 PM

hubiestubert: namatad: Let's be fair, some folks derided McCain's service as well, depending on his particular run. His last one, he was lauded, before, he was belittled. By the exactly the same folks. The Justification Machine rolls along with differential gears depending on who they support at the time.

funny how quickly the GOP are willing to eat their own.

SomeoneDumb		2012-01-08 05:05:22 PM

SilentStrider: I think I got your point. That you'd prefer someone who has the power to send people into combat to have actually experienced combat in their lives, hopefully ensuring that they'd only send people into combat themselves if they absolutely had to. Like Truman, Eisenhower or Kennedy.

That plan only works if we follow the policy of being constantly at war, too!

Kibbler		2012-01-08 05:12:40 PM

"The fact is that I've always been a squat little toad and a hypocritical asshole, but for some reason, right wingers keep giving me a free pass. Here, watch: 'Put black kids to work in coal mines and castrate drug users'--see, the crowd just roared with approval."

KiplingKat872		2012-01-08 05:53:14 PM

SomeoneDumb: SilentStrider: I think I got your point. That you'd prefer someone who has the power to send people into combat to have actually experienced combat in their lives, hopefully ensuring that they'd only send people into combat themselves if they absolutely had to. Like Truman, Eisenhower or Kennedy.

That plan only works if we follow the policy of being constantly at war, too!

Well, we pretty much have been since the American Civil War. Every generation has had a war, if not two.

TheShavingofOccam123		2012-01-08 06:36:10 PM

GAT_00: RoyBatty: disavowed the newsletters

Yes, he's disavowed newsletters that were published in his name in a first person style indicating that HE FARKING WROTE THEM that were published for 20 years that he says he never read and nobody ever commented to him about the content of them.

This is a slightly larger flaming load of horseshiat than the previous argument, but only slightly.

His lines "I sure do miss the Cowsills" and "wow, I thought I had a hairy ass" are proof that no one edits Ron Paul's thoughts!

Coelacanth		2012-01-08 06:52:50 PM

TheBigJerk: Coelacanth: When I was growing up in California which was then under the tightfisted rule of Governor Ronald Reagan, the only draft-dodgers I ever knew were the children of my mother's rich and conservative cousins. If they couldn't get a break like good ole Newtie here, they would end up serving in a champagne unit like the one George Walker Bush was in. Meanwhile, my mother's cousins were hellbent on trying to get my brothers and I into the service and on the front lines of Vietnam before were were even draft age. They had this plan to 'invest' our insurance money for our mother after we died.

I learned all I needed to know about Republicans from those days.

You know I shouldn't find this post funny, but I really do. One of those "funny because it's true" moments I suppose. . .

Go ahead and laugh, my friend, because the joke's on them.

Coelacanth		2012-01-08 06:55:06 PM

Doonesbury hits a home run Link (new window)

TV's Vinnie		2012-01-08 07:08:31 PM

RoyBatty: And Paul disavowed the newsletters while Newt is being questioned about his *current* beliefs.

The RON PAUL cultists love to say that RON PAUL has always been consistent and unchanging throughout the years, that what RON PAUL said decades ago is still the same RON PAUL that says the same stuff that RON PAUL is saying today.

So yeah. By that then, RON PAUL is still the same vile p.o.s. today than the RON PAUL who was the vile p.o.s. that wrote those racist screeds decades ago.

TV's Vinnie		2012-01-08 07:14:02 PM

Coelacanth: Meanwhile, my mother's cousins were hellbent on trying to get my brothers and I into the service and on the front lines of Vietnam before were were even draft age. They had this plan to 'invest' our insurance money for our mother after we died.

I do hope you had some way of making sure they ended up in the nastiest, most Hellhole retirement facility you could find for the ghoulish bastards.

TV's Vinnie		2012-01-08 07:16:52 PM

Coelacanth: Doonesbury hits a home run Link (new window)

My favorite was one (wish I could find a link) from years back when Newt was Speaker of the House. A reporter at a press conference asked him "Congressman, even when you are smiling, your eyebrows are pointed down. Are you Satan?".

TV's Vinnie		2012-01-08 07:25:36 PM

Kibbler: "The fact is that I've always been a squat little toad and a hypocritical asshole, but for some reason, right wingers keep giving me a free pass. Here, watch: 'Put black kids to work in coal mines and castrate drug users'--see, the crowd just roared with approval."

Sorry for all the posts here, but I had to comment on this one.

You see, the disease in our country isn't necessarily because of the handful of morons at each other's throats for the GOP nomination. These candidates are just the symptom.

It's the mob of yowling sociopaths in the audience. THEY are what ails and threaten this country. During the 2001-2008 years under Dubya, these primates have been empowered to thinking that their diseased opinions are normal. Instead of being locked up in the loonie bin or at least handed a big shiny cup of STFU, they have been allowed to go around thinking that their vile attitudes are tolerated in a civilized society.

People like Newt Gingrich or RON PAUL are just the tiny head at the top of a festering zit filled with racist, trailer-trash pus underneath the skin surface. Sooner or later, it's going to fester beyond belief unless you just reach in and squeeze!

Coelacanth		2012-01-08 07:32:48 PM

TV's Vinnie: Coelacanth: Meanwhile, my mother's cousins were hellbent on trying to get my brothers and I into the service and on the front lines of Vietnam before were were even draft age. They had this plan to 'invest' our insurance money for our mother after we died.

I do hope you had some way of making sure they ended up in the nastiest, most Hellhole retirement facility you could find for the ghoulish bastards.

Their kids were the best revenge anybody could wish on them. The one daughter who was supposed to be as pure as driven snow is now on her eight marriage, the son whose wife was handpicked for him got divorced and married a stripper who's more fun than a three ring circus, and another son still works for Social Services and (GASP!) married a Black woman.

thamike		2012-01-08 07:41:39 PM

Coelacanth: Doonesbury hits a home run Link (new window)

Ha! That's perfect.

Frederick		2012-01-08 07:52:14 PM

Frederick		2012-01-08 07:55:46 PM

LibertyHiller: Frederick: I find it very bothersome that a president who has never seen conflict -let alone never served in the military- could send troops into battle. I would hope that president defers to his better informed advisers/Generals on that call.

It's also why I have the utmost respect for Eisenhower. He seen it all; and knew the price to be paid.

\no respect for chickenhawks

Eisenhower never saw combat.

He spent the Mexican Intervention at Fort Sam Houston, WWI in Pennsylvania, and the interwar years on garrison duty and as aide to MacArthur; he came back to the States to work in staff and training commands and was sent to ETO in June 1942. His experience was mostly as an executive officer, rather than full command; he didn't have a day's experience leading anything larger than a battalion before being given theater command.

The closest that Eisenhower ever came to enemy fire was the Battle of Anacostia Flats. Don't give me that "he seen it all" crap; the only blood Ike shed for his country came from playing football.

Another comprehension fail. Try reading slower. I never said "enemy fire in battle", I said "seen conflict". And Ike saw a lot of it.

If you're going to be critical of an opinion, try at least to understand the opinion.

Ishidan		2012-01-08 08:01:02 PM

Approves, but can tell you exactly what the American electorate thinks of that.

Hobodeluxe		2012-01-08 08:26:19 PM

contrast this to Cheney who got his wife knocked up specifically to keep him out of Vietnam. He knew his 5th deferment was running out and he could no longer hide in school. So they made an anchor baby.

Now juxtapose these two and their foreign policy positions when it comes to the military and using it in an offensive manner.

Now think about how the corporate media and GOP establishment has treated both of them.

Hobodeluxe		2012-01-08 08:30:30 PM

Mistymtnhop: skinnycatullus: Frederick: I find it very bothersome that a president who has never seen conflict -let alone never served in the military- could send troops into battle

You should find a new place to live, one which does not have a constitution which places the military under civilian control.

Yeah, why exactly does serving in the military make one a better president? George W Bush "served" isn't that right? I'm really curious to learn your reasoning on this.

GW served in the TANG. Which was basically a frat house rich people sent their sons to keep them out of harm's way. And Bush couldn't even get that right. He was AWOL all the time. Most of it spent in Alabama working for the GOP. Also he was drunk and getting DUIs all the time and having daddy fix his mistakes back then too.

I wouldn't compare that "service" and that of Kerry's or Eisenhower's in any respect.

Coelacanth		2012-01-08 08:35:47 PM

Hobodeluxe: GW served in the TANG. Which was basically a frat house rich people sent their sons to keep them out of harm's way.

One of my mom's cousin's boys joined the Coast Guard instead of going to Vietnam. His father used to call up and chew out his commanding officer if he was late getting home.

Bongo Blue		2012-01-08 08:37:00 PM

SilentStrider: Frederick: You've both missed the point. I thought it was pretty clear; but I guess not. Maybe you dont know what "chickenhawk" means.....

I think I got your point. That you'd prefer someone who has the power to send people into combat to have actually experienced combat in their lives, hopefully ensuring that they'd only send people into combat themselves if they absolutely had to. Like Truman, Eisenhower or Kennedy.

Eisenhower never saw combat.
Studied under Macarthur.

HotIgneous Intruder		2012-01-08 08:56:16 PM

Eisenhower would be drummed out of today's GOP after being branded a dirty socialist do-gooder.

/Thanks for the awesome ~~autobahns~~ interstate highway system, general!

HotIgneous Intruder		2012-01-08 08:58:36 PM

/Plus, Ike was a damned sound military leader and superb politician, which is precisely the combination of qualities you need in order to head up the Army.

Mistymtnhop		2012-01-08 09:02:46 PM

Bongo Blue: SilentStrider: Frederick: You've both missed the point. I thought it was pretty clear; but I guess not. Maybe you dont know what "chickenhawk" means.....

I think I got your point. That you'd prefer someone who has the power to send people into combat to have actually experienced combat in their lives, hopefully ensuring that they'd only send people into combat themselves if they absolutely had to. Like Truman, Eisenhower or Kennedy.

Eisenhower never saw combat.
Studied under Macarthur.

I dont know about him, but yeah, I did misundestand what you said.

DrPainMD		2012-01-08 10:51:52 PM

PonceAlyosha: RoyBatty: The difference is that Paul has disavowed the newsletters, the sentiments, has said he bears moral responsibility for them nonetheless, and there is no other evidence of racism in his public comments or his legislation since then

Except wanting to repeal the 14th amendment and all the other kooky shiat he and his son spout.

Where do either of them say that they want to repeal the 14th amendment?

If your answer is, "they want to repeal parts of the 1964 Civil Rights Act," I'll remind you that the authority for that law is the interstate commerce clause, not the 14th Amendment.

Rug Doctor		2012-01-09 12:00:14 AM

If only outing Newt Gingrich as a hypocritical asshole was enough to stop him...

KatjaMouse		2012-01-09 12:26:07 AM

My grandfather was married with three kids. Your point Newt?

WaitWhatWhy		2012-01-09 12:44:48 AM

NetOwl: Oakenhelm: NetOwl: Yeah, we need more people trained in the art of violent, remorseless killing to head the world's most powerful military. It only makes sense to put a killer in charge of killers; that never goes wrong.

Also, "civil service" is ridiculous. I'd leave the country before having to quit my job for two years to work in some soup kitchen doing mindless labor that could be done almost as well by a robot. My "internship" was grad school, which is basically five years of training to be a professor, so I don't need more of that, either. Making people choose between that and getting murder training is immoral. ("Become a slave, or become a murderous slave!") Some of us developed discipline without the help of the military, so even the argument that it would stop some of the rampant snokeflake-ism falls flat.

You might be less of a self-righteous douchebag with some mandatory service though, so there's that.

I hear that from peasants fairly often.

Just because you can afford to flush two years of your life down the toilet because you never made anything of yourself doesn't mean it wouldn't be a waste of my time. worked hard so I wouldn't have to be a peasant serving some king who doesn't deserve for me to give him the time of day.

No one is saying you should work in a soup kitchen, you pompus farkwad. That option was put forth for people with no real skills as an alternative to making them spend two years as front line cannon fodder. You have a grad degree, good for you. Now do something to benefit society for a year or two, or don't expect to have a say in the country. In your case, maybe you could spend the time teaching at a community college, or research to support NASA, the NHS, etc. Also, if it weren't for the other people in society, your time would be spend farming, foraging, or hunting, so don't act like giving back to society is a waste of time.

rosebud_the_sled		2012-01-09 01:59:52 AM

I respect Ron Paul. He is consistent and appears to be honest. That being said, I would never vote for him. He would probably make a poor president. Much like Jimmy Carter - who I also respected - was a crappy president.

All that being written, I would vote for either one of them over Gingrich, who I neither respect as a person nor expect would be even a mediocre president.

BTW, does anyone on FARK (excluding paid shills) actually even support Gingrich? The man is such an egotistical buffoon that I can't even imagine that he appeals to even the fringe groups. I can't remember the last post that even had a mild support for him. Of course, it's not particularly important to me to look for them.

tgregory		2012-01-09 04:36:18 AM

Bunnyhat: I also liked the part right after Ron Paul went after Newt for not being in the military 40 years ago by saying that his newsletters happened 20 years in the past so don't matter anymore.

Ron Paul delivered more than 4,000 children from all races and treated people of all races, and the only negative thing people can find about Paul is in a newsletter that he didn't personally write.

Actions speak louder than words, but if you already dislike Paul that won't matter.

And Paul's newsletter isn't sending kids to die. Newt avoided the very thing he claims to support. In 1989 he told Vanity Fair, "Given everything I believe in, a large part of me thinks I should have gone over"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/08/politics/truth-squad-gingrich-vietnam/i n dex.html

More_Like_A_Stain		2012-01-09 05:44:04 AM

tgregory: In 1989 he told Vanity Fair, "Given everything I believe in, a large part of me thinks I should have gone over"

In Newt's case, even a small part of him would be a large part.

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