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(Slate)   More CO2 means more environmental damage and death-and the only way to address it is to cut carbon emissions. While this makes for a catchy political message, it has the distinct disadvantage of being wrong   (slate.com) divider line 125
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2012-01-07 12:58:59 PM
this is a slate repost from a questionable source. it is true that the media often repeats the "Worst case" prediction the reports create, instead of the "expected case" or "best case". they should be reporting all three, or they are misrepresenting the report.

same goes for my fellow environmentalists.
 
2012-01-07 01:34:07 PM

Kazan: this is a slate repost from a questionable source. it is true that the media often repeats the "Worst case" prediction the reports create, instead of the "expected case" or "best case". they should be reporting all three, or they are misrepresenting the report.

same goes for my fellow environmentalists.


The media is the worst enemy of climate science, whether it be reporting in favor of climate change theory, or against. Both get it wrong way too often.
 
2012-01-07 01:45:16 PM
CO2 killed my father. Prepare to die.
 
2012-01-07 01:45:30 PM
If it ain't globally agreed upon to reduce CO2 emissions, I don't want to pay a "premium" to live in one country over another just to have the same consequences

b..b..but polar bears!
 
2012-01-07 01:47:47 PM
Kind of like creationists - right GOP?
 
2012-01-07 01:47:47 PM
So, Climate change is a reality.

Thanks, Subby.
 
2012-01-07 01:50:23 PM
This argument seems familiar. Some conclusions may be wrong, and because of that, the data is wrong.

Uh huh.
 
2012-01-07 01:50:37 PM
FTFA:
Indeed, according to one estimate, by midcentury, about 400,000 more people will die from heat than would have perished at current temperatures, but 1.8 million fewer people will die from cold. Unfortunately, nondeaths are a nonstory.

This is good news? Yay.....global warming will help keep the population growing!!!!
 
2012-01-07 01:50:48 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: CO2 killed my father. Prepare to die.


Why, hello Nick. Fancy seeing you in a climate thread, of all places.
 
2012-01-07 01:51:03 PM
FTA: Across two full pages inside, the paper presented a graph of seasonal deaths over the past decade and showed how summer heat waves have killed dozens of Swedes. Yet, even a cursory reading of the graph showed clearly that many more people die from cold than from heat.

I stopped reading right there. These people are frauds. Anyone that doesn't understand that the extremes of AGW also includes colder weather, too, should just shut the fark up while they're ahead. While it may not be as bad as some think, it's a lot farking worse than most could imagine.
 
2012-01-07 01:51:04 PM
/Step 1) Attack the author of the article, paper, or data.
 
2012-01-07 01:51:35 PM
from the article:

"Increased precipitation also has positive consequences-most significantly, more fresh water for a thirsty world. Today, about 2 billion people are water-stressed, meaning that they make do on less than 1,700 cubic meters (60,035 cubic feet) per year. Population growth alone suggests that this number could increase to about 3 billion toward the end of the century. But more precipitation from global warming will most likely bring the actual number down to about 1.7 billion."

it depends on where the precipitation falls, you farking idiot. right now the precipitation is declining in parts of the world that are experiencing the most population growth such as sub-saharan africa.
 
2012-01-07 01:51:56 PM

phaseolus: Nick


Nick?
 
2012-01-07 01:52:31 PM
Since when has a catchy political message ever suffered from being wrong?
 
2012-01-07 01:55:38 PM

dumbobruni: from the article:

"Increased precipitation also has positive consequences-most significantly, more fresh water for a thirsty world. Today, about 2 billion people are water-stressed, meaning that they make do on less than 1,700 cubic meters (60,035 cubic feet) per year. Population growth alone suggests that this number could increase to about 3 billion toward the end of the century. But more precipitation from global warming will most likely bring the actual number down to about 1.7 billion."

it depends on where the precipitation falls, you farking idiot. right now the precipitation is declining in parts of the world that are experiencing the most population growth such as sub-saharan africa.


Agreed.

Or, in cases where there is increased precipitation does not mean that it is a good thing.
 
2012-01-07 01:56:14 PM
I have 5 gallons of Irish Red Ale fermenting and blowing copious amounts of CO2 out the airlock.

Delicious, alcoholic evil.
 
2012-01-07 01:56:17 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: /Step 1) Attack the author of the article, paper, or data.


It's Bjørn Lomborg. He's been getting attacked for years because he's A) not a climatologist and B) has turned into a face of the climate-change skeptics movement regardless.

Call me crazy, but listening to Lomborg about why global warming isn't really a big deal is like listening to a bartender on why I shouldn't have surgery to remove a tumor. He doesn't know what he's talking about and his advice is just going to make the problem worse.
 
2012-01-07 01:56:50 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: phaseolus: Nick

Nick?


Oh, sorry. It's Chuck, then?
 
2012-01-07 01:57:03 PM
I know weather is not climate and all that, but I'd just love to mention that it's 50 degrees in Buffalo today.
 
2012-01-07 01:57:52 PM
Now would be a good time for someone to market some large-scale desalination gear.
 
CDP [TotalFark]
2012-01-07 02:01:06 PM
Frankly I wouldn't mind some global warming because the other thing, global freezing, would be hard to overcome. As for ice melting and raising the water level, I think that any 8th grade science student should be able to explain that when water freezes it expands and when it melts it contracts. When you see ice floating in water most of it is under the water and when it melts the level of the drink or whatever doesn't rise.

i113.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-07 02:01:17 PM

phaseolus: HotIgneous Intruder: phaseolus: Nick

Nick?

Oh, sorry. It's Chuck, then?


/Harassment, how does it work
 
2012-01-07 02:02:16 PM

End_Of_Line: dumbobruni: from the article:

"Increased precipitation also has positive consequences-most significantly, more fresh water for a thirsty world. Today, about 2 billion people are water-stressed, meaning that they make do on less than 1,700 cubic meters (60,035 cubic feet) per year. Population growth alone suggests that this number could increase to about 3 billion toward the end of the century. But more precipitation from global warming will most likely bring the actual number down to about 1.7 billion."

it depends on where the precipitation falls, you farking idiot. right now the precipitation is declining in parts of the world that are experiencing the most population growth such as sub-saharan africa.

Agreed.

Or, in cases where there is increased precipitation does not mean that it is a good thing.


I can attest to this part of the article being BS. It is steadily raining a little less and less here every year, with the OCCASIONAL freak rain-year thrown in (also becoming less frequent). Also, the last month has been the longest continuous high-temprature reading ever recorded here (as in it's been the hottest for the longest continuous period).
 
2012-01-07 02:02:52 PM

CDP: When you see ice floating in water most of it is under the water and when it melts the level of the drink or whatever doesn't rise.


And when the ice is on the land in glacier form, the water runs off into the oceans, raising their levels.

/Cool, huh?
 
2012-01-07 02:05:06 PM

CDP: Frankly I wouldn't mind some global warming because the other thing, global freezing, would be hard to overcome. As for ice melting and raising the water level, I think that any 8th grade science student should be able to explain that when water freezes it expands and when it melts it contracts. When you see ice floating in water most of it is under the water and when it melts the level of the drink or whatever doesn't rise.

[i113.photobucket.com image 640x422]


Just out of curiosity, what do we do about the ice that's above sea level(most of it in Antarctica) that's melting and falling into the sea at an alarming rate?
 
2012-01-07 02:13:44 PM

Infernalist: CDP: Frankly I wouldn't mind some global warming because the other thing, global freezing, would be hard to overcome. As for ice melting and raising the water level, I think that any 8th grade science student should be able to explain that when water freezes it expands and when it melts it contracts. When you see ice floating in water most of it is under the water and when it melts the level of the drink or whatever doesn't rise.

[i113.photobucket.com image 640x422]

Just out of curiosity, what do we do about the ice that's above sea level(most of it in Antarctica) that's melting and falling into the sea at an alarming rate?


Not to mention that water that is already liquid expands juuuuuust a bit when it is heated. So even if there were no glacial ice above sea level to run off into the oceans, the oceans warming themselves would also create rising sea levels (though to a lesser degree.)
 
2012-01-07 02:14:57 PM

Infernalist: Just out of curiosity, what do we do about the ice that's above sea level(most of it in Antarctica) that's melting and falling into the sea at an alarming rate?


Pool party!!!
 
2012-01-07 02:16:03 PM
We didn't listen.
 
2012-01-07 02:16:18 PM
Bjørn Lomborg isn't a man who has been convicted by the Danish government of:

Fabrication of data;
Selective discarding of unwanted results (selective citation);
Deliberately misleading use of statistical methods;
Distorted interpretation of conclusions;
Plagiarism;
Deliberate misinterpretation of others' results.

No. Not at all.
 
2012-01-07 02:20:45 PM

Bungles: Bjørn Lomborg isn't a man who has been convicted by the Danish government of:

Fabrication of data;
Selective discarding of unwanted results (selective citation);
Deliberately misleading use of statistical methods;
Distorted interpretation of conclusions;
Plagiarism;
Deliberate misinterpretation of others' results.

No. Not at all.


But only activists have an agenda, this activist told me so.
 
2012-01-07 02:26:27 PM

Fart_Machine: Bungles: Bjørn Lomborg isn't a man who has been convicted by the Danish government of:

Fabrication of data;
Selective discarding of unwanted results (selective citation);
Deliberately misleading use of statistical methods;
Distorted interpretation of conclusions;
Plagiarism;
Deliberate misinterpretation of others' results.

No. Not at all.

But only activists have an agenda, this activist told me so.


The best part is, his main defense was essentially "The Skeptical Environmentalist is not a scientific publication" and therefore the Danish government have no right to say it's misleading rubbish, any more than they can comment on the plot twists in a novel.

A little like the Fox claim that an entertainment program that looks like news isn't news, and therefore can lie, because it isn't news.
 
2012-01-07 02:26:49 PM

make me some tea: Kazan: this is a slate repost from a questionable source. it is true that the media often repeats the "Worst case" prediction the reports create, instead of the "expected case" or "best case". they should be reporting all three, or they are misrepresenting the report.

same goes for my fellow environmentalists.

The media is the worst enemy of climate science, whether it be reporting in favor of climate change theory, or against. Both get it wrong way too often.


The media is just not very scientifically literate in any way. Science reporting does so much more harm than good in a lot of ways, it's insane.
 
2012-01-07 02:28:56 PM
When the oceans finish getting turned into carbonic acid, climate change will seem like a joke.
 
2012-01-07 02:29:08 PM

CDP: Frankly I wouldn't mind some global warming because the other thing, global freezing, would be hard to overcome. As for ice melting and raising the water level, I think that any 8th grade science student should be able to explain that when water freezes it expands and when it melts it contracts. When you see ice floating in water most of it is under the water and when it melts the level of the drink or whatever doesn't rise.

[i113.photobucket.com image 640x422]


I simply cannot believe it's taken me this long to put you on favorite.

Your unique juxtapositioning mindfark postings are awesomesauce.

ESPECIALLY when people don't get the joke.

Also... right click *swipe*

/The melting ice cube analogy is all well and good for the north polar region where the ice is on water however when you start talking about the south polar region where all the ice sits atop land mass you are playing in whole new ballpark.
//But ya knew that.
 
2012-01-07 02:29:27 PM
Joanna: How dare you judge me? I mean what are you? You think you're some kind of, like, angel here? No, you're just this penny-stealing... wanna-be criminal... man.
Peter Gibbons: Yeah, well, that may be. But at least I never slept with Lomborg.
 
2012-01-07 02:30:31 PM

Infernalist: So, Climate change is a reality.

Thanks, Subby.


Like gay marriage. We can live just fine with both.
 
2012-01-07 02:31:14 PM
Meanwhile, following the wettest year in Cleveland history, its now 45 degrees on January 7th. We've had maybe one, two, days at most of below freezing weather.

Science is doing what it can, but my own lyin' eyes are tellin' me weather shiat be crazy.
 
2012-01-07 02:33:03 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Meanwhile, following the wettest year in Cleveland history, its now 45 degrees on January 7th. We've had maybe one, two, days at most of below freezing weather.

Science is doing what it can, but my own lyin' eyes are tellin' me weather shiat be crazy.


London has just had one of the warmest Decembers on record, the year after one of the coldest winters on record.

It's not exactly controversial to say "Hmmmm, that's odd".
 
2012-01-07 02:33:22 PM

jjorsett: Infernalist: So, Climate change is a reality.

Thanks, Subby.

Like gay marriage. We can live just fine with both.


This just in...gay marriage has the potential to cause widespread drought.
 
2012-01-07 02:33:49 PM
Lomborg's conclusion that global warming will result in fewer human deaths from hypothermia is simplistic. Among the millions of other bad things that could happen is the melting of the Greenland ice cap and the consequent shutting down of the thermohaline circulation in the North Atlantic, which is what keeps Western Europe from having the climate of Labrador.
 
2012-01-07 02:34:40 PM

jjorsett: Infernalist: So, Climate change is a reality.

Thanks, Subby.

Like gay marriage. We can live just fine with both.


There's varying levels of 'existence' that you're willing to accept, in other words?

Climate Change is a reality and if you think an increase of 18 inches in sea level is nothing to be overly worried about, then you should probably go check and see how much of the world's landmass is within 2 feet of sea level.
 
2012-01-07 02:35:06 PM
Coal and oil will run out in the next 200 years. The sun will run out in the next 5 billion years.

Do we really need to take the argument for switching to solar any further than that?
 
2012-01-07 02:35:30 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Science is doing what it can, but my own lyin' eyes are tellin' me weather shiat be crazy.


We're in the midst of a major La Niña episode right now. Be thankful; usually we're buried by this time of the year. I'm actually on my way out the door to go run 5 miles along the lakefront in the middle of January. If this is what Global Warming is going to entail, I say bring it on!
 
2012-01-07 02:37:52 PM

Sabyen91: jjorsett: Infernalist: So, Climate change is a reality.

Thanks, Subby.

Like gay marriage. We can live just fine with both.

This just in...gay marriage has the potential to cause widespread drought.


It's because of the queers and what they're doing to our soil.
 
2012-01-07 02:38:51 PM

Infernalist: Climate Change is a reality and if you think an increase of 18 inches in sea level is nothing to be overly worried about, then you should probably go check and see how much of the world's landmass is within 2 feet of sea level.


Chesapeake Bay (new window) used to be the Susquenanna River Valley until those darned glaciers melted and flooded it.

/Crabs, yum.
 
2012-01-07 02:40:01 PM
Any climate scientist can throw out wild data sets or observations, but to really get at the heart of climate change, you need a PhD in political science. (new window)
 
2012-01-07 02:44:17 PM
More CO2 means more environmental damage and death-and the only way to address it is to cut net carbon emissions buildup.

FTF Subtard
 
2012-01-07 02:48:50 PM
Subby wants you to think that his link has something to do with:

"More CO2 means more environmental damage and death-and the only way to address it is to cut carbon emissions. While this makes for a catchy political message, it has the distinct disadvantage of being wrong"

While this makes for a catchy greenlight on the Politics tab, it has the distinct disadvantage of being wrong.
 
2012-01-07 02:49:53 PM

Shaggy_C: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Science is doing what it can, but my own lyin' eyes are tellin' me weather shiat be crazy.

We're in the midst of a major La Niña episode right now. Be thankful; usually we're buried by this time of the year. I'm actually on my way out the door to go run 5 miles along the lakefront in the middle of January. If this is what Global Warming is going to entail, I say bring it on!


Just did 15 miles on the bike in a short sleeve shirt. Yay global warming.
 
2012-01-07 02:59:39 PM
The signs are anecdotal and all around us. Its one thing to scoff at the eggheads (you can't explain that), but when the weather, animal migratory patterns, and changing climates all point to the same conclusion: the climate of the Earth is changing the pace of that change is increasing.

You have to pretty stupid to keep denying it is occurring. Yes even if it costs you money.
 
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