Well you get the Government you deserve.

inkblot: It's not part of a larger bill this time, so it will most likely get vetoed.

Yeah I don't think Obama will want this sitting on his desk when it comes Election time

Just think.

if fifteen years ago someone told you the government would attempt to pass laws that would give them the authority to revoke your citizenship without due process and imprison you indefinitely, people would have laughed you out of town.

Aarontology: Just think.

if fifteen years ago someone told you the government would attempt to pass laws that would give them the authority to revoke your citizenship without due process and imprison you indefinitely, people would have laughed you out of town.

Yep looks like the crazy old man wasen't so crazy after all....

Aarontology: Just think.

if fifteen years ago someone told you the government would attempt to pass laws that would give them the authority to revoke your citizenship without due process and imprison you indefinitely, people would have laughed you out of town.

Fifteen years ago I was more concerned with getting a girl to tug on my wiener.

Just sayin'.

Trance750: Yep looks like the crazy old man wasen't so crazy after all....

You know what the worst part is? Occasionally, there's a reason to wear the tin foil.

Shostie: Fifteen years ago I was more concerned with getting a girl to tug on my wiener.

Yeah, but now she might be an informer! "ooh, i like that erection? you know what else I like? insurrection. how bout you?"

It looks like it could close the al-Awlaki loophole. Not that the government respected it in the first place.

No way this will pass SCOTUS scrutiny.

Cannot remember the case name, but you cannot be stripped of citizenship as a punishment

Aarontology: Occasionally, there's a reason to wear the tin foil.

I've been reading a book on the Cold War. This seems more expected now. Actually, it seems like the author blames Eisenhower for starting a lot of this stuff, like the big expansive government, which is interesting. He usually doesn't get blamed for that.

And supposedly he was willing to nuke China or really anyone as a method of not starting another war like Korea, which is terrifying.

cman: No way this will pass SCOTUS scrutiny.

Haha, yes it will.

Aarontology: Trance750: Yep looks like the crazy old man wasen't so crazy after all....

You know what the worst part is? Occasionally, there's a reason to wear the tin foil.

Shostie: Fifteen years ago I was more concerned with getting a girl to tug on my wiener.

Yeah, but now she might be an informer! "ooh, i like that erection? you know what else I like? insurrection. how bout you?"

We won a jury trial by bringing in the very hot GF of our 20-yr old client who had inspired him to be a bad boy. She showed up wearing almost nothing and wearing it very well. The jury of older mothers and retirees just started smirking. They acquitted in less than an hour.

So...bring on the insurrection.

GAT_00: Aarontology: Occasionally, there's a reason to wear the tin foil.

I've been reading a book on the Cold War. This seems more expected now. Actually, it seems like the author blames Eisenhower for starting a lot of this stuff, like the big expansive government, which is interesting. He usually doesn't get blamed for that.

And supposedly he was willing to nuke China or really anyone as a method of not starting another war like Korea, which is terrifying.

Runaway Govt started with LBJ

GAT_00: cman: No way this will pass SCOTUS scrutiny.

Haha, yes it will.

I agree. This will be passed. Now they may have to slip it through the backdoor and do so in secret, but it will be passed.

Trance750: GAT_00: Aarontology: Occasionally, there's a reason to wear the tin foil.

I've been reading a book on the Cold War. This seems more expected now. Actually, it seems like the author blames Eisenhower for starting a lot of this stuff, like the big expansive government, which is interesting. He usually doesn't get blamed for that.

And supposedly he was willing to nuke China or really anyone as a method of not starting another war like Korea, which is terrifying.

Runaway Govt started with LBJ

This one says more that LBJ didn't start it, he only expanded what Eisenhower started. Which is at least partially true, the military complex got going on his watch and despite his speech, he really didn't tamp it down a whole lot.

Why am I not surprised that Senator Snoopy..err Lieberman is involved with this?

Trance750: GAT_00: Aarontology: Occasionally, there's a reason to wear the tin foil.

I've been reading a book on the Cold War. This seems more expected now. Actually, it seems like the author blames Eisenhower for starting a lot of this stuff, like the big expansive government, which is interesting. He usually doesn't get blamed for that.

And supposedly he was willing to nuke China or really anyone as a method of not starting another war like Korea, which is terrifying.

Runaway Govt started with LBJ

It is fruitless to attribute blame. It happened so long ago. What we need to do instead is focus on how the hell we are gonna undo a lot of these changes.

/We havent had a good President since Teddy Roosevelt
//Sorry, never was a big fan of FDR

eddyatwork: What about the Kardashians? Did Khloe get a new boyfriend? Is Kim getting divorced? I need to know!

Anyone who says this, they get an instant freebie sterilization. I'd throw in a lobotomy but cable TV already took care of that.

cman: Trance750: GAT_00: Aarontology: Occasionally, there's a reason to wear the tin foil.

I've been reading a book on the Cold War. This seems more expected now. Actually, it seems like the author blames Eisenhower for starting a lot of this stuff, like the big expansive government, which is interesting. He usually doesn't get blamed for that.

And supposedly he was willing to nuke China or really anyone as a method of not starting another war like Korea, which is terrifying.

Runaway Govt started with LBJ

It is fruitless to attribute blame. It happened so long ago. What we need to do instead is focus on how the hell we are gonna undo a lot of these changes.

/We havent had a good President since Teddy Roosevelt
//Sorry, never was a big fan of FDR

Kinda hard to initiate change when both parties are against it. Gotta protect the Status Quo, you know.

Trance750: Well you get the Government you deserve.

Ugh, that old cliche. I didn't vote for any of this shiat. And when Obama is raping us almost as badly as Bush (and don't all smug about that, republicans. McCain would have been no better), we're not getting the gov't we deserve. The game is rigged. We get no say in the matter.

Mugato: Trance750: Well you get the Government you deserve.

Ugh, that old cliche. I didn't vote for any of this shiat. And when Obama is raping us almost as badly as Bush (and don't all smug about that, republicans. McCain would have been no better), we're not getting the gov't we deserve. The game is rigged. We get no say in the matter.

I agree McCain would have been horrible and was amazed he even made it past the Primary

If Congress finds a way to revoke the citizenship of the Kardashians, you'll see approval ratings rise to unprecedented levels.

Trance750: I agree McCain would have been horrible and was amazed he even made it past the Primary

If he was elected President, I'd be surprised if he made it past the inauguration. As in he would have dropped dead, probably in the first year or so. Being a President ages a person and he's already kind of an idiot now and if he died, we all know what that would have meant.

Jesus Christ what the hell is the matter with these people?
One thing happens 10 years ago, and its like everyone has an excuse to continually shiat themselves in fear ever since.

SilentStrider: Jesus Christ what the hell is the matter with these people?
One thing happens 10 years ago, and its like everyone has an excuse to continually shiat themselves in fear ever since.

According to TFA, ths bill was submitted in 2011, and was the first I've heard about it. Most dubious bills and laws you never even know about, until they are already signed and mandated.

Which is the way Washington wants it.

It's official: Congress WANTS us to fire them.

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: If Congress finds a way to revoke the citizenship of the Kardashians, you'll see approval ratings rise to unprecedented levels.

How awesome would that be, having the show change focus to ICE and the FBI chasing the Kardashians while they race to safety in some non-extradition state?

Keeping Up With the Kardashians, indeed.

Shostie: How awesome would that be, having the show change focus to ICE and the FBI chasing the Kardashians while they race to safety in some non-extradition state?

Keeping Up With the Kardashians, indeed.

It would be so impressive, they'd have to show it on A&E!

Disgusting. Many of the political refugees that I worked with from Turkey who fled after the 1980 military coup were stripped of their citizenship. It was one way for the military government to ensure they would never return. Many of them took the government to the European Court of Human Rights and won as it is actually illegal under international law to do so. Some got their citizenship back. I'm just appalled that this is even floated by a mainstream politician in the U. S. in this day and age. People don't realize that this is something authoritarian regimes (see Chile under Pinochet as well) have done to people they deemed undesirables.

coco ebert: Disgusting. Many of the political refugees that I worked with from Turkey who fled after the 1980 military coup were stripped of their citizenship. It was one way for the military government to ensure they would never return. Many of them took the government to the European Court of Human Rights and won as it is actually illegal under international law to do so. Some got their citizenship back. I'm just appalled that this is even floated by a mainstream politician in the U. S. in this day and age. People don't realize that this is something authoritarian regimes (see Chile under Pinochet as well) have done to people they deemed undesirables.

The sad fact is most people don't even care, until it happens to them. The level of apathy I see every single day, makes me cringe.

Trance750: coco ebert: Disgusting. Many of the political refugees that I worked with from Turkey who fled after the 1980 military coup were stripped of their citizenship. It was one way for the military government to ensure they would never return. Many of them took the government to the European Court of Human Rights and won as it is actually illegal under international law to do so. Some got their citizenship back. I'm just appalled that this is even floated by a mainstream politician in the U. S. in this day and age. People don't realize that this is something authoritarian regimes (see Chile under Pinochet as well) have done to people they deemed undesirables.

The sad fact is most people don't even care, until it happens to them. The level of apathy I see every single day, makes me cringe.

What's even sadder is that I could see Obama signing off on this. With "reservations" of course. *sarcastic tone*

eddyatwork: What about the Kardashians? Did Khloe get a new boyfriend? Is Kim getting divorced? I need to know!

I think one of them has a big butt or something.

GAT_00: This one says more that LBJ didn't start it, he only expanded what Eisenhower started. Which is at least partially true, the military complex got going on his watch and despite his speech, he really didn't tamp it down a whole lot.

And if you want to go even further back, U.S. imperialism started with the Spanish-American War (not to mention the whole forced settlement of the Americas). These patterns don't come out of nowhere.

wejash: So...bring on the insurrection.



Wherever it may roam, I guess.

Aarontology: Just think.

if fifteen years ago someone told you the government would attempt to pass laws that would give them the authority to revoke your citizenship without due process and imprison you indefinitely, people would have laughed you out of town.

um...actually, I did see this coming a while back. more like 10 years ago tho, not 15. I don't think we're going to get out of it either. we seem to be on track for a massively intrusive authoritarian nightmare government and/or vicious civil war.

I could still be wrong about that though. we might just wake the f*ck up and repeal the patriot act by the end of this decade.

We need an Occupy the Constitution movement.

SilentStrider: Jesus Christ what the hell is the matter with these people?
One thing happens 10 years ago, and its like everyone has an excuse to continually shiat themselves in fear ever since.

we're a culture that lives on fear. we use fear (and sex) to sell products and get elected. fear motivates us to get out of bed and go to work. fear keeps people in church. fear keeps them from asking too many questions. fear prevents people from standing up against government.

is it any surprise that someone would use fear to scare people into accepting yet more asinine oppressive policies?

Is this a Kim Kardashian thread?

Can we strip Joe Lieberman and Charles Dent of their Senate seats?

cman: No way this will pass SCOTUS scrutiny.

Cannot remember the case name, but you cannot be stripped of citizenship as a punishment

Trop V. Dulles, 1958

I'm in favor of deporting Joe Lieberman to Iran.

Why are we trying so hard to be remembered alongside the worst civilizations in modern history?

coco ebert: We need an Occupy the Constitution movement.

It's too small. You could probably get, maybe, four protesters on it.

Why am I not surprised to find Lieberman's name on this POS?