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2012-01-07 03:25:57 PM
They are doing all of that because the economy isn't going to recover, it's just going to get worst, and the direction your damn dear conservative leaders are taking you is back a few hundred years where you work 100 hours a week for next to nothing pay in order to pay for the basics like food, gas, health, and home. Congrats you are now living like the rest of the developing world, maybe even worst.
 
2012-01-07 03:26:24 PM
you can be stripped of your nationality for "engaging in, or purposefully and materially supporting, hostilities against the United States."

Good. Why is this a bad thing? It reminds me of the doofus who tried detonating a bomb in Portland around a year ago. He's likely to get away with it because he was "entrapped" by the Feds. As though agreeing to detonate a bomb in a major city was a rational, normal response when asked to do so.

People like that, American citizen or not, should be effectively banished.
 
2012-01-07 03:28:00 PM
Lieberman pokes his slimy head out of his hole. This will not pass the Senate as a stand alone bill.
 
2012-01-07 03:28:39 PM

ultraholland: attempting to pass this is a hostility against the United States


This is nothing new, really. Presidents and Congress have been violating the Constitution and Bill of Rights for years.
 
2012-01-07 03:28:40 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nothing in this new bill changes the requirement that you intend to relinquish your citizenship before you lose it by performing any of these acts, or that the person/government agency claiming you've lost your citizenship has to prove it (I assume in court) before using it as a legal justification for whatever evil crap they come up with next time.
 
2012-01-07 03:29:36 PM
Don't worry...as long as you either come armed or come with a sign that says you came unarmed (this time) and protest against things your corporate sugar-daddies want, you'll be fine.

But may God help you if you stay for more than four hours and protest against your corporate sugar-daddies.
 
2012-01-07 03:29:41 PM
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-01-07 03:30:20 PM
Congress is intent on destroying the Constitution this term aren't they?

NDAA, SOPA, and now this?
 
2012-01-07 03:31:19 PM

Mugato: Trance750: Well you get the Government you deserve.

Ugh, that old cliche. I didn't vote for any of this shiat.


Then you really did get the government you deserve.

/Unless you voted for someone else, then...next time get more buddies.
 
2012-01-07 03:32:49 PM
Why does this come up as a livestock bill?

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-109hr3166ih/pdf/BILLS-109hr3166ih. p df
 
2012-01-07 03:34:27 PM

Aarontology: Just think.

if fifteen years ago someone told you the government would attempt to pass laws that would give them the authority to revoke your citizenship without due process and imprison you indefinitely, people would have laughed you out of town.


this this more this
only this
and THIS

gonna have to start punching anyone in public who claims to support this law.

"your honor, the man said that he was in favor of destroying the constitution. I felt that it was my constitutional responsibility to break his nose."
 
2012-01-07 03:34:59 PM
Cue the guys who, even if Obama were to sign such a bill into law, will explain how it's still of supreme importance that we vote for him SO WE DON'T GET THOSE OTHER GUYS WHO WILL RAPE US FASTER.

It's a helluva thing to watch a man rationalize his civil liberties away...
 
2012-01-07 03:35:53 PM

marksman: Why does this come up as a livestock bill?

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-109hr3166ih/pdf/BILLS-109hr3166ih. p df


can we assume that you were making a funny and not just too stupid to know what year it is?
pretty please
 
2012-01-07 03:35:58 PM

heinekenftw: Congress is intent on destroying the Constitution this term aren't they?

NDAA, SOPA, and now this?


This term? Try every Term since FDR.
 
2012-01-07 03:37:28 PM

Churchy LaFemme: Cue the guys who, even if Obama were to sign such a bill into law, will explain how it's still of supreme importance that we vote for him SO WE DON'T GET THOSE OTHER GUYS WHO WILL RAPE US FASTER.

It's a helluva thing to watch a man rationalize his civil liberties away...


yah
I am going to have to vote for the guy who will take less liberties away.
lesser of two evils = good

sucks, but that is the country I live in.
I might not like the real world, but it is the only one I got.
 
2012-01-07 03:38:03 PM

Trance750: heinekenftw: Congress is intent on destroying the Constitution this term aren't they?

NDAA, SOPA, and now this?

This term? Try every Term since Washington.


ftfy
 
2012-01-07 03:41:45 PM

Churchy LaFemme: Cue the guys who, even if Obama were to sign such a bill into law, will explain how it's still of supreme importance that we vote for him SO WE DON'T GET THOSE OTHER GUYS WHO WILL RAPE US FASTER.

It's a helluva thing to watch a man rationalize his civil liberties away...


I am reminded of a quote by Ben Franklin: He who surrenders Liberty for the sake of Security, deserves neither

It's like he could look into time itself, and see this coming
 
2012-01-07 03:42:03 PM

namatad: marksman: Why does this come up as a livestock bill?

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-109hr3166ih/pdf/BILLS-109hr3166ih. p df

can we assume that you were making a funny and not just too stupid to know what year it is?
pretty please


I just caught the year.....thanks for the help
 
2012-01-07 03:48:29 PM
This kind of puts your freedom of speech in the crapper doesn't it ?
 
2012-01-07 03:49:48 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Is this a Kim Kardashian thread?


I'd have congress with that.
 
2012-01-07 03:49:51 PM
Mugato:

Trance750: Well you get the Government you deserve.

Ugh, that old cliche. I didn't vote for any of this shiat. And when Obama is raping us almost as badly as Bush (and don't all smug about that, republicans. McCain would have been no better), we're not getting the gov't we deserve. The game is rigged. We get no say in the matter.


Whenever someone brings up that little chestnut I reply "Funny, I don't recall knife-raping any nuns..."

I like Mencken's version better...

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
 
2012-01-07 03:51:30 PM

maxheck: Mugato:

Trance750: Well you get the Government you deserve.

Ugh, that old cliche. I didn't vote for any of this shiat. And when Obama is raping us almost as badly as Bush (and don't all smug about that, republicans. McCain would have been no better), we're not getting the gov't we deserve. The game is rigged. We get no say in the matter.

Whenever someone brings up that little chestnut I reply "Funny, I don't recall knife-raping any nuns..."

I like Mencken's version better...

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."


Ben Franklin: A Democracy are two wolves and one lamb voting on what to have for dinner
 
2012-01-07 03:54:16 PM

namatad: Churchy LaFemme: Cue the guys who, even if Obama were to sign such a bill into law, will explain how it's still of supreme importance that we vote for him SO WE DON'T GET THOSE OTHER GUYS WHO WILL RAPE US FASTER.

It's a helluva thing to watch a man rationalize his civil liberties away...

yah
I am going to have to vote for the guy who will take less liberties away.
lesser of two evils = good

sucks, but that is the country I live in.
I might not like the real world, but it is the only one I got.


^This, unfortunately.

Obama would have to do a hell of a lot more than signing a necessary defense-spending bill with a bullshiat rider attached to lose my vote, largely because any current Republican would be far worse.

It doesn't help that there are no third party candidates with anything close to the organization required to gain enough support to win a national election.
 
2012-01-07 03:55:45 PM
Under current law you can lose your citizenship by serving in an army or working for a government that is hostile to the United States - this, without any trial or anything else. Why would working in a stateless militia or terrorist group be any different? Not to mention the fact that "citizen" and "resident" are essentially the same thing minus voting rights. Just because you're a noncitizen doesn't mean that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to you.
 
2012-01-07 03:59:02 PM
The First Amendment trumps this. You cannot be stripped of your citizenship for protesting, even if they pass a law explicitly saying you can.
 
2012-01-07 03:59:23 PM

Trance750: Well you get the Government you deserve.


That's the stupidest statement ever. I wasn't even able to vote until just after the 2004 election. The only Presidents I can really remember are President Obama and President Bush. I vaguely remember President Clinton, but I really didn't know a thing about politics in my early teens.

How exactly do I, and millions of Millennials, deserve this shiat?

So here we sit. The largest age-group in the United States with the highest unemployment rate, poor economy, minimal job aspects, crushing personal debt and being scolded by our parents for being "losers" while they spend our money and our grandchildren's money.

All we've actually seen are the Bush Jr. years ..... and President Obama's first turn. Now I ask you. What do you think the viewpoint of Republicans are to most people my age, and what do you think the viewpoint of Democrats are to most people my age?
 
2012-01-07 03:59:33 PM

LordJiro: sucks, but that is the country I live in.
I might not like the real world, but it is the only one I got.

^This, unfortunately.

Obama would have to do a hell of a lot more than signing a necessary defense-spending bill with a bullshiat rider attached to lose my vote, largely because any current Republican would be far worse.

It doesn't help that there are no third party candidates with anything close to the organization required to gain enough support to win a national election.


Yeah, you're right. I mean, you've complained about the situation on the Intertubes. What else can you reasonably be expected to do??
 
2012-01-07 03:59:36 PM

violentsalvation: It looks like it could close the al-Awlaki loophole. Not that the government respected it in the first place.


Would the RW outrage really have been lessened if AAA had his citizenship taken away through this type of bill prior to him being blown up? Wouldn't an exception for trials in absentia in cases like AAA's be a better way to go about that? Or does that go against all history and get cock-blocked by the "compromises national security by revealing methodology etc" card?

/Also Kardassians are highly over rated, hot Bajorans chicks are where it's at.
 
2012-01-07 04:00:37 PM

Notabunny: Trance750: Well you get the Government you deserve.

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2012-01-07 04:01:05 PM
If it passes, I will hunt Lieberman.
 
2012-01-07 04:01:32 PM
It really is to the point now where if the US government considers you to be an enemy there is a good chance you are a decent human being.
 
2012-01-07 04:03:21 PM

namatad: This term? Try every Term since Washington.


Yep. We do get better. Eventually. It just sucks while we're still mucking our way to that point.
 
2012-01-07 04:05:04 PM

Churchy LaFemme: LordJiro: sucks, but that is the country I live in.
I might not like the real world, but it is the only one I got.

^This, unfortunately.

Obama would have to do a hell of a lot more than signing a necessary defense-spending bill with a bullshiat rider attached to lose my vote, largely because any current Republican would be far worse.

It doesn't help that there are no third party candidates with anything close to the organization required to gain enough support to win a national election.

Yeah, you're right. I mean, you've complained about the situation on the Intertubes. What else can you reasonably be expected to do??


Says the guy complaining about the situation on the Intertubes...
 
2012-01-07 04:11:04 PM
I've been highly suspicious that the reason the Congress has been doing all of this anti-free speech activity lately is because they have been deeply embarrassed by activists who have used the Internet to expose them and challenge them, and they've decided that if they can't limit free speech, they can definitely limit who has the ability to speak.

This goes way beyond Islamophobia and the War on Terror. These guys are terrified of things they don't understand, like LulzSec, Anonymous, Wikileaks and the Occupy movement. They're also terrified of Americans rising up against them for doing things that we'd never approve of if every decision were put to a vote. They're using fear of terror abroad to redefine freedom domestically.

Some might say this is society's growing pains in the face of a brand new technological paradigm that is limiting government's power. Others might say that this is the generation gap, where those who were raised in an era of limited transparency and back door decision-making are finding themselves terrified of a more open society.

The problem is, if we don't stand up to this stuff as a society now, it will be other democratic republics that learn from our mistakes when we start disappearing our own dissidents and sending our own citizens to internment camps. It might seem extreme now, but it always does until it happens.
 
2012-01-07 04:18:47 PM

Bob16: It really is to the point now where if the US government considers you to be an enemy there is a good chance you are a decent human being.


well...no. I mean the government has legit enemies out there. the problem is that we're now starting to confuse criticism with terrorism. we're on the fringes of becoming an authoritarian regime. All the recent efforts to quash free speech and make corporations more powerful is us laying the legal framework for oppression and violence against you and me.

give us another 10 years and then you'll see the violence inherent to the system.
 
2012-01-07 04:27:45 PM
A while back someone mentioned enough people should move to North Dakota that they can vote in their own candidates into the state government. This is sounding like a better idea more and more. Maybe with a state senate and governor with the goal of making the state less and less dependent on Federal and huge corps. a change happen. If an entire state can find a way to tell big business and the fed to take a hike and remain solvent, maybe more will join in. Or they'll be immediately crushed or assassinated, either way.
 
2012-01-07 04:28:56 PM

Larry Mahnken: The First Amendment trumps this. You cannot be stripped of your citizenship for protesting, even if they pass a law explicitly saying you can.


For now, yes. But the Constitution can be changed through the Amendment process. It requires a 2/3 vote from both the House and Senate, as well as a Presidental signature
 
2012-01-07 04:31:52 PM

Sabyen91: Says the guy complaining about the situation on the Intertubes...


Not me, my friend. I'm DOING something about it!

I'm going to send Obama a Strongly Worded Letter wherein I explain how upset I am about this situation but how I'm totally going to vote for him anyway. It'll straighten him right out.
 
2012-01-07 04:34:47 PM

GAT_00: cman: No way this will pass SCOTUS scrutiny.

Haha, yes it will.


yeah the only people with unrestricted rights of free speech are rich farkers and corporations.
 
2012-01-07 04:35:49 PM

Churchy LaFemme: Sabyen91: Says the guy complaining about the situation on the Intertubes...

Not me, my friend. I'm DOING something about it!

I'm going to send Obama a Strongly Worded Letter wherein I explain how upset I am about this situation but how I'm totally going to vote for him anyway. It'll straighten him right out.


Idiot. Everybody knows you petition the UN if you want to get something done.
 
2012-01-07 04:36:44 PM

Weaver95: the problem is that we're now starting to confuse criticism with terrorism.


Ten years Ari Fleischer told americans they need to watch what they say. Thats pretty anti american / anti-free speech and it's not something we just started doing.

If you look into all the coups and murdering we've been involved in in the third world it's plain we went over to the dark side a long time ago.
 
2012-01-07 04:41:03 PM

IlGreven: Then you really did get the government you deserve.

/Unless you voted for someone else, then...next time get more buddies.


Get 200 million more buddies. I'll get right on that. I have 15 so I'm off to a good start.
 
2012-01-07 04:44:24 PM
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2012-01-07 04:46:16 PM
The Republicans are not in power. Yet.
 
2012-01-07 04:46:27 PM

Bob16: Weaver95:

If you look into all the coups and murdering we've been involved in in the third world it's plain we went over to the dark side a long time ago.


Both sides have been tearing at the fabric of Freedom. It's only now we're starting to really see the damage that has been done

We can no longer pretend it's only other countries or Mid-East dictators that stifle individual freedoms and liberties.

We've been doing it for years, now they are just more open and blatant about it
 
2012-01-07 04:47:56 PM

badhatharry: The Republicans are not in power. Yet.


That sounds like the tagline for a very scary horror movie.
 
2012-01-07 04:49:58 PM
It sounds like we need to vote all of the incumbents out of office.
 
2012-01-07 04:53:07 PM

Bob16: It really is to the point now where if the US government considers you to be an enemy there is a good chance you are a decent human being.


Bob16 is gay for Timothy McVeigh
 
2012-01-07 04:56:27 PM

Trance750: Both sides have been tearing at the fabric of Freedom. It's only now we're starting to really see the damage that has been done


YEah but there is a difference when repubs are in power. I've read up on what was happening in central america during the late 1970's and early 1980s and there is no doubt that when Raygun got in office the right wingers down there went crazy slaughtering their opposition because they knew the right wingers in america would cover things up for them.

"The Massacre At El Mozote" ( just one of many such massacres ) by Mark Danner provides some real insight into how blood thirsty Raygun was.
 
2012-01-07 04:56:54 PM

Wayne 985: you can be stripped of your nationality for "engaging in, or purposefully and materially supporting, hostilities against the United States."

Good. Why is this a bad thing? It reminds me of the doofus who tried detonating a bomb in Portland around a year ago. He's likely to get away with it because he was "entrapped" by the Feds. As though agreeing to detonate a bomb in a major city was a rational, normal response when asked to do so.

People like that, American citizen or not, should be effectively banished.


I am curious: do you suffer physical discomfort as a direct consequence of your demonstrable mental incompetence?
 
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