Considering that men lost 70% of all jobs during the recession, I'm certainly OK with this he-covery

ArkAngel: Considering that men lost 70% of all jobs during the recession, I'm certainly OK with this he-covery

This. Should be a follow-up tag.

And the card attached would say, "Thank you for being a friend."

JerseyTim: And the card attached would say, "Thank you for being a friend."

I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately thought of that.

Good for them. No woman ever couldn't get laid because she didn't have a job.

:strokes beard:

I can believe this, but I'm not sure I believe this.

Mans have more brains. It's science.

phaseolus: If more engineers were women, it would be a different headline ... in that part of the labor market, at least.

There's a desperate shortage of engineers, here. Call this an anecdote, but from what I've seen lately, lots of big manufacturers are spending their huge mounds of cash on capital equipment these days. If your company's in the capital equipment biz, you probably have more work than you can handle right now, you're finding it next to impossible to add good experienced staff, and all the outside places you're hoping to offload some of the extra work to are all too busy to take any of it on. It's a weird time.

Sure beats the alternative, though.



i hate this "we need more women in engineering" shiat. the university system is 60% female and the LAST thing we need is more mediocre women who, with the buoyancy of their tits, have floated with through their lives on the ocean of feminized education. if we want more engineers then we need more MEN in university. and to get more men in university we need to undo the damage that was done in the 90s, in the name of girls, to the k-12 system.

lazyguineapig33: phaseolus: If more engineers were women, it would be a different headline ... in that part of the labor market, at least.

There's a desperate shortage of engineers, here. Call this an anecdote, but from what I've seen lately, lots of big manufacturers are spending their huge mounds of cash on capital equipment these days. If your company's in the capital equipment biz, you probably have more work than you can handle right now, you're finding it next to impossible to add good experienced staff, and all the outside places you're hoping to offload some of the extra work to are all too busy to take any of it on. It's a weird time.

Sure beats the alternative, though.

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i hate this "we need more women in engineering" shiat. the university system is 60% female and the LAST thing we need is more mediocre women who, with the buoyancy of their tits, have floated with through their lives on the ocean of feminized education. if we want more engineers then we need more MEN in university. and to get more men in university we need to undo the damage that was done in the 90s, in the name of girls, to the k-12 system.

As an engineering student who is friends with plenty of professional engineers, you're both wrong. What we need in our field is capable, ethical, and passionate individuals. Gender is completely and entirely irrelevant, and I wish people would shut the fark up about it.

SoothinglyDeranged: lazyguineapig33: phaseolus: If more engineers were women, it would be a different headline ... in that part of the labor market, at least.

There's a desperate shortage of engineers, here. Call this an anecdote, but from what I've seen lately, lots of big manufacturers are spending their huge mounds of cash on capital equipment these days. If your company's in the capital equipment biz, you probably have more work than you can handle right now, you're finding it next to impossible to add good experienced staff, and all the outside places you're hoping to offload some of the extra work to are all too busy to take any of it on. It's a weird time.

Sure beats the alternative, though.

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i hate this "we need more women in engineering" shiat. the university system is 60% female and the LAST thing we need is more mediocre women who, with the buoyancy of their tits, have floated with through their lives on the ocean of feminized education. if we want more engineers then we need more MEN in university. and to get more men in university we need to undo the damage that was done in the 90s, in the name of girls, to the k-12 system.

As an engineering student who is friends with plenty of professional engineers, you're both wrong. What we need in our field is capable, ethical, and passionate individuals. Gender is completely and entirely irrelevant, and I wish people would shut the fark up about it.

The noted lunatic and shiatty writer, Ayn Rand, once accidently made a witty observation - she described bigots as "Barnyard collectivists, who are capable of distinguishing between various farm animals, but not between individual human beings". Sums it up pretty nicely.

Bob16: phaseolus: There's a desperate shortage of engineers, here.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Science Education Myth

clip - Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support



No, they're turning out more people like you than the market can support.

broadsword: SoothinglyDeranged:
As an engineering student who is friends with plenty of professional engineers, you're both wrong. What we need in our field is capable, ethical, and passionate individuals. Gender is completely and entirely irrelevant, and I wish people would shut the fark up about it.

This.



Im an engineering student too and i agree with you. and that is why i hate when people say, "you have a uterus! you should get special treatment!" we want the same thing. glad we agree.

Lupine Chemist: Well played. I agree whole heartedly and I am a practising engineer. I never imagined when I signed up for chemical engineering that there would be so many women, actually. I'm in petrochemical design and it actually seems to me that apart from civil, the men are the minority of the youth.



my understanding is that chemicals jobs get alot of the BMEs, which is 50/50, that didnt make it to med school. but in mechanical for example, the classes are over 95% male. civil is also heavy with women as far as i can tell.

Makes sense.

First, men lost more jobs. Nurses, secretaries, even doctors and lawyers were less likely to lose their jobs than men working in construction or manufacturing. Most of the recovery, at least in the beginning, should be those jobs coming back. Governments are still cutting their workforces, which are more feminized.

Second, when jobs start coming back, men come back faster and sooner. Women who lose jobs in a recession are often part-timers or working moms, or what not, and are thus more likely to have an outlet for the energies they would have put into working. They do less table-waiting in restaurants and more table-waiting at home. They eat out less (because they don't have to have lunch during the work day) and cook more. Their economic contribution to the family can often be greater at home than on the job, once you have deducted their costs. So they may be slower to come back to the work force than men.

It's possible the feminists are right that some women are being pushed out of jobs or denied entry-level jobs--but given the larger number of men unemployed (motivated sellers) and the more vigorous return of men to the workforce (with qualifications for the type of jobs that are being filled at this early stage in the recovery), even some of that may be due to market forces rather than discrimination.

All in all I am not surprised that men are pouring back into jobs in the early stages of the recovery. These are likely the areas where the shrinkage has bottomed out and the growth is strongest. Women will get back into the workforce at a later stage.

I have seen some signs of economic growth here in Ottawa, Ontario-construction seems on the up-tick--but also of economic cutbacks to come--the Federal Government just cut budgets by 10% across the boards and if any jobs are cut or left unfilled, it's going to affect women more than men.

In the US, the downsizing of Government is likely to continue now that the major work of stopping the Great Recession has been done--by Mssrs. Bush and Obama--because even the liberals will need to start tackling the enormous cost in terms of deficits and debts. More or less, Bush-Obama did the right things, or at least many of those that were politically expedient or do-able. But cuts will be forthcoming even as the private sector grows out of the slump.

I think if you carry your analysis far enough, you will find I am right (mostly). I don't claim to be an economist, but I did have a couple years of micro and macro at the Uni, and I work surrounded by economists writing papers and debating this stuff every day.

At the moment, there may simply be a larger pool of qualified men even in those sectors where women have come to predominate, and thus more men are being hired.

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some discrimination, but it would probably be limited. Women have done better than men for years now, even before the recession. The two workforces are not moving entirely in tandem or in opposite directions. They are linked and will generally move in the same direction, with aggregate labor demand, or the labor demand of a particular sector or industry.

Personally I am more worried now than I was when the economy was worse. The last time I was unemployed for a long time was after the recession was declared formally over. That's when the Government really cut back viciously, outsourced to temps and private sector companies, etc. Good times for some are hard times for others. It's always been that way.

lazyguineapig33: broadsword: SoothinglyDeranged:
As an engineering student who is friends with plenty of professional engineers, you're both wrong. What we need in our field is capable, ethical, and passionate individuals. Gender is completely and entirely irrelevant, and I wish people would shut the fark up about it.

This.

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Im an engineering student too and i agree with you. and that is why i hate when people say, "you have a uterus! you should get special treatment!" we want the same thing. glad we agree.

Woot *high five*