I see pedos getting arrested for filming children with this gear. Wow, I didn't even know anything like this existed. I need to get off the farm more.

I have been wondering what my cat does while I am away from home, now I'll know

So, a fake show sells real gear at artificial (read inflated) prices? Do I have that about right?

"The biggest month is actually Valentine's Day," he said. "I'm not really sure why."

Fail.

Showing up for court with a bunch of illegal recordings is a good way to land yourself in the clink.

No Catchy Nickname: "The biggest month is actually Valentine's Day," he said. "I'm not really sure why."

Fail.

FEBTOBER!!

110010 ways to leave your lover.

If you are at the point you need to spy on your spouse, you already lost.

Bigdogdaddy: I see pedos getting arrested for filming children with this gear. Wow, I didn't even know anything like this existed. I need to get off the farm more.

Most of this gear isn't even remotely new. Half of it has been sold out of classified ads in mags like Popular Science for years. And there are websites all over the place either dedicated to this kind of gear or who have it mixed in with other stuff.

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TravisBickle62: I have been wondering what my cat does while I am away from home, now I'll know

The majority of the legal opinions in that article said the opposite of the headline. Not only are these admissible in court, the only appearance in court that'll be made over them is when the user is sued or arrested, since using them for surveillance is in many places explicitly illegal.

So, yeah, good luck with that one.

Jim_Callahan: The majority of the legal opinions in that article said the opposite of the headline. Not only are these admissible in court, the only appearance in court that'll be made over them is when the user is sued or arrested, since using them for surveillance is in many places explicitly illegal.

So, yeah, good luck with that one.

It depends. If it is your home and you own it (not a rental or lease) you can get away with a lot, especially if it is your spouse. Again, it depends on the jurisdiction but marriages work kinda like corporate mergers with the sharing of assets and all. The cell phones depend on rather or not they are on a joint account/family plan, who has their name on the plan, and who the bill is sent too. That still doesn't mean you are allowed to record their calls because you don't have the consent of the other party but if you technically own the phone you can do almost anything else you want with it. The same gos for vehicles. Don't try messing with a renal or lease or a vehicle purely in your spouses name but you may be OK if it is joint and you are probably in the clear if it is purely in your name.

There is also the difference between "I was trying to catch my wife cheating" and "I bought a voice recorder and accidentally left it on in the car" or "I hadn't read the software manual and didn't realize my new webcam was recording everything til after I got home from work".

As always they key is to discretely check with a lawyer who knows the local laws and can tell you exactly what you can and can't do in your area.

"We are very cautious about how we market our products," he said. "We're like a liquor retailer in that we want our products to be used responsibly."

Riiiiiiight, of course you want them to be used reponsibly, scumbag.

Hm. "Spider-Man Bathroom Feels Invasive"

The video of the show "cheaters" and the concept of spying on people makes me feel I need a hot shower and scrub with a wire brush. The whole concept of what they are promoting is worse that sleazy.

If you have to go to those lenghts to find out if your guy/girl is being faithful, you've lost before you've begun. Give up and join a monastery/nunnery.

Hey if a guy is facing prison for finding his wife's password to check her e-mail, why would I want this garbage? How much longer before checking someone's cellphone get declared hacking?

lack of warmth: How much longer before checking someone's cellphone get declared hacking?

Ask Rupert Murdoch?

Frowns on your shenanigans.

Mitch Mitchell: [www.dlisted.com image 445x513]
Frowns on your shenanigans.

But that means--!!

--Your jaw is ENORMOUS!

Is it worth it anymore to be in a relationship? Does anyone have enough self control to resist sleeping with everyone who is interested in them?
In a perfect world, society would prevent so many people from getting married and come up with something between marriage and LTR.
It should be Very difficult to get married to someone. As difficult as getting a PHD or passing the bar exam. People do not respect something they have not struggled to earn. Today relationships are like toilet paper and have as much value as well.

Evangelicals and conservatives talk about our moral decline and then point their finger at other people. It is the very people who follow them who are ruining our moral fabric of mutual trust. It is not sexual activity which is destroying our way of life but the inability for people to respect one another and foster trust. While our society appears to be ordered, the chaos exists in the heart and corrupts our ability to rely on each other.

That clip was legendary. "This is the price...the price of justice." I LOVE IT SO MUCH

Mitch Mitchell: [www.dlisted.com image 445x513]
Frowns on your shenanigans.

Bloody hell. Is that a mutant ?! Chin-wise, I mean.

Hacker_X: The same gos for vehicles. Don't try messing with a renal or lease or a vehicle purely in your spouses name but you may be OK if it is joint and you are probably in the clear if it is purely in your name.



What a renal vehicle might look like:

Huffington Post is enough reason to disable Adobe.

rev. dave: Is it worth it anymore to be in a relationship?

Yes.

rev. dave: Does anyone have enough self control to resist sleeping with everyone who is interested in them?

Yes. Particularly if your answer to the first question was "yes".

rev. dave: In a perfect world, society would prevent so many people from getting married and come up with something between marriage and LTR.

In a "perfect world" such measures would be unnecessary to begin with. If you have to force "values" on people such as mutual respect and love, then you've utterly missed the point of those values.

rev. dave: People do not respect something they have not struggled to earn.

People often don't respect things they have struggled to earn either, in my experience. Depends on who you're looking at, really.

rev. dave: Today relationships are like toilet paper and have as much value as well.

Today's relationships hold as much value as the people involved in those relationships invest in them (and in each other). You cannot legislate this, by necessity, and you sound almost more cynical and irreverent than the people you're indicting here.

rev. dave: It is not sexual activity which is destroying our way of life but the inability for people to respect one another and foster trust.

This- I'll concede- is absolutely spot-on. If people set out with a sense of respect and trust for their partners, then most other things tend to fall into place. To suggest that Sex (pre-marital, proliferous, or whatever other poppycock) is at the root of the problem is to essentially put the horse before the cart.

And, oddly enough, it's precisely the mistake made by exactly the sort of people pundits who incessantly cite this issue with sex like to pick on: both the pedagogue and the "perpetrators" place sex before the importance of interpersonal connection.

We are a society that is ceaselessly hung-up the concept of sex- whether it's to revile it beyond all reckoning as the cause of all sin, or to be irrationally obsessive about it- or even (more often than not) both at the same time. It's the legacy of a culture that's been so repressed in this regard so as to never have learned to deal with the issue on anything higher than a prepubescent level as a society.

Janet Jackson slips a boob out on National TV and all of a sudden both the lechers and the preachers can't stop talking about it- for months. In some other cultures, it would barely have made the news, and quickly faded into obscurity. Here the obsession is clear- no matter whether you're a sinner or a "saint".

I just had to yell out; Jerry, Jerry Jerry when I watched the video.

These have been sold by places like Brickhouse Security for years, here is the rub though in one party recording states like Georgia, yes it is legal to set up covert surveillance in anything that is considered marital property, e.g. your house, car, boat, RV etc. but if you do it yourself you have to turnover every piece of footage, or all records to opposing council in a divorce so they could catch you as well.

If you really want to catch a spouse cheating hire a lawyer to hire a PI then all the information gathered is privileged.

/Spent 3 years as a licensed PI doing domestic surveillance I was very good at placing GPS units on peoples cars.

"Somebody please stab me again."

FTFA:"The biggest month is actually Valentine's Day,"

WAT.

I wonder if I could get one of the hidden cameras and put it in a coworkers office. Cause I have no idea what the heck the guy does every day....

/we get 75 sick/short term disability days a year
//he uses them all

Bigdogdaddy: I see pedos getting arrested for filming children with this gear. Wow, I didn't even know anything like this existed. I need to get off the farm more.

A lot of this stuff has existed for years now, everyone can be a secret spy, its relatively cheap.

And of course february is the busiest month, people notice their significant others spending longer time away from the house.

Jim_Callahan: The majority of the legal opinions in that article said the opposite of the headline. Not only are these admissible in court, the only appearance in court that'll be made over them is when the user is sued or arrested, since using them for surveillance is in many places explicitly illegal.

So, yeah, good luck with that one.

Except for the fact that I have made it abundantly clear to anyone that comes over that I intend to have cameras inside and outside of my house. Now I wont have them in the bedrooms and bathrooms but that doesnt mean that they wont record you going in to said room with the entire circus clown brigade and a donkey named Miguel.

Jamieboy: The video of the show "cheaters" and the concept of spying on people makes me feel I need a hot shower and scrub with a wire brush. The whole concept of what they are promoting is worse that sleazy.
If you have to go to those lenghts to find out if your guy/girl is being faithful, you've lost before you've begun. Give up and join a monastery/nunnery.

Cheaters is an extremely sleazy show. Every time I watch it (and that hasn't been much, I usually pass), I'm not only amazed that these people will go to such lengths to catch their SO cheating, but that they also want cameras to record their humiliation.

Sweetie, you already know. Just dump them and move on. Your SO is either already ashamed of it, or never will be, and a huge public scene won't change a bit of it.

Sure it's illegal, but why bother trying to use it in court? Use it to set up a situation where you or someone else catches them.

As for whether it's too late if you already suspect your spouse, unfortunately it's not in your control. You can be entirely faithful and a great spouse, but if the other person decides to cheat, it is out of your control. I've had friends of both genders who thought they were in great marriages (3 happy kids dinner with the family every night, etc), only to find out the spouse was straying. In one case it was found out when police showed up at the door with an arrest warrant for sexual assault. The fact of the matter is that you never, ever really know a person.

/ Not a cheater
// Hasn't had a girlfriend cheat on me, to my knowledge.

Jamieboy: The video of the show "cheaters" and the concept of spying on people makes me feel I need a hot shower and scrub with a wire brush. The whole concept of what they are promoting is worse that sleazy.

If you have to go to those lenghts to find out if your guy/girl is being faithful, you've lost before you've begun. Give up and join a monastery/nunnery.

Yeah if you have are jealous then you have two options, one is reviewing to see if you are just paranoid and two is to just leave.

If you don't trust someone then the relationship is doomed.

rev. dave: Today relationships are like toilet paper and have as much value as well.

This is an outright falsification. Ever worked for a gov't agency that only purchases the rough, low-bid TP for its restrooms? You could hang around the sidewalk out front with a roll of the good soft stuff and hook workers like a crack dealer.

The individuals on the show reflect just a party of the population

Placing Cheaters in 50% of their time slots made G4 go downhill. Between that and Cops, tuning to that channel isn't worth it anymore to catch the occasional X-Play rerun.

/Morgan Webb was hot.
//Not so much now.
///Probably still hit it though given the opportunity.

Do they sell stab-proof vests?